Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[mark wright]

John never says that we should not take God's name in vain. Are you trying to argue that this would be ok in your "gospel"??

Once again you show what is in your heart by what you write.
It I always the same.
The people who most earnestly stress obey the law reflect the least what Christ termed the higher points of the law.
The only people who go to church that I personally have seen have scant regard for not taking the Lords name in vain are sda
As I have told you how apalled I was by that, your continued posts to me such as the above prove my point excellantly.
Those who do not look to the written code sin less than those who do.
That is scriptural truth BTW

 

[mark wright]

false accusations not withstanding you did well to at least quote the Bible

If its a false accusation explain rom7:6 to me.
It would make a change from you simply reeming off the letter.
Try explaining the true message

 

[mark wright]

If people bear good fruit by looking to the written code and trying to obey it, we might as well throw out most of the NT

 

[mark wright]

Anyone can reem off scripture and come to the wrong conclusions, it happens all the time

 

[mark wright]

I tell people that John was right - in 1 John 2:4-6

4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

I tell people that John was right - in 1 John 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

The born-again saint, the good-tree - will bear good fruit.

I tell people that Paul was right in 1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

I tell people that Paul was right in Romans 6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
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12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?

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I tell them not to listen to the hay stubble "fluff" of men who simply "quote themselves" but to rely on the Word of God!

You tell people if they want to get to heaven they must follow the letter that kills. You just dont explain that to them

 

[I am Redeemed]

I love the SDA Doctrine not because I'm a member but because it's Biblical. We can prove the doctrine with the bible and the bible only not with the EGW like some think. The bible says Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,And (((shall intend to change times and law))). Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. What law will the devil try to change? can someone tell me?

 

[I am Redeemed]

John 14:15-17 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.... Here we see a promise ((KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS)) and Jesus will pray to the Father to give us another helper the Holy Spirit. So to receive the Holy Spirit there is a ((condition)) and we MUST KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. Why do many Christians call this legalism? Jesus said it and it is written. Now if you can show me that you can receive the Holy Spirit and continue to be disobedient to the commandments of God, please show me.

 

[I am Redeemed]

Deuteronomy 11:1 “Therefore you shall love the Lord your God, and keep His charge, His statutes, His judgments, and His commandments always". Verse 13 ‘And it shall be that if you earnestly obey My commandments which I command you today, to love the Lord your God and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul, 14 THEN I will give you the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in your grain, your new wine, and your oil. Here we see another condition to receive the latter rain you must obey the Lord's commandments. This world will be total chaos if people didn't keep God's commandments and this is not legalism. The commandments are a blessing for the good of you and your neighbor.

 

[I am Redeemed]

The Devil hates the law of God and has attacked it for many centuries people just don't see it because the devil is an expert on deceiving. He can make something bad look good, but just because it looks good it does not make it good. Mathew 4:4 4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’” EVERY WORD. If you believe in a doctrine and can't prove it with the Word of God, then you must check your doctrine. My Bible says SHABBAT must be kept because: Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Who rested on the Sabbath? God rested and he also commands that his follower rest on the Sabbath: Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Question when was the Sabbath made? and if the Sabbath was made for mankind then did Adam and Eve keep the Sabbath? according to the statement Jesus gave yes, because it was made for mankind. The Sabbath is not only for the Jews is for mankind Jesus said. But the devil is very sneaky and has messed around with God's law thinking that he can change the 4th commandment. Daniel 7:25

 

[sparow]

I love the SDA Doctrine not because I'm a member but because it's Biblical. We can prove the doctrine with the bible and the bible only not with the EGW like some think. The bible says Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,And (((shall intend to change times and law))). Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time. What law will the devil try to change? can someone tell me?

The changed laws and times is a work in progress; its been going on for two thousand years.

 

[sparow]

Deuteronomy 11:1 “Therefore you shall love the Lord your God, and keep His charge, His statutes, His judgments, and His commandments always". Verse 13 ‘And it shall be that if you earnestly obey My commandments which I command you today, to love the Lord your God and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul, 14 THEN I will give you the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in your grain, your new wine, and your oil. Here we see another condition to receive the latter rain you must obey the Lord's commandments. This world will be total chaos if people didn't keep God's commandments and this is not legalism. The commandments are a blessing for the good of you and your neighbor.

Entering into covenant with God is what is required and keeping the law needs to be a sign that the covenant is entered into and is active.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Yes, we firmly agree here. My concluding summary on this immediate point is -- The Love of God, the Spirit of God, the Word of God, and 'everything God has at his disposal' work together to write the law of God on our hearts and minds.
‘For the law has been placed on my heart and written on my mind’

Well said, but,
The Love of God, the Spirit of God, the Word of God, and everything God has at his disposal, work together to write our Saviour God and Guide on our hearts and minds. For the Word of God the Lord Jesus Christ has been placed in my heart and is written in my mind through the Love of God, the Spirit of God and the Word of God, together with everything God has at his disposal.
"That...being made conformable unto his death...I may know Him and the Power of his Resurrection...and may be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness...but the Righteousness which is of God by faith."

Post script...
'anything else at God's disposal'... like his Sabbath Day, "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD".

 

[mmksparbud]

The changed laws and times is a work in progress; its been going on for two thousand years.

What laws and times???

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Entering into covenant with God is what is required and keeping the law needs to be a sign that the covenant is entered into and is active.

It's impossible <<Entering into covenant with God>> is any different than, or is anything else, than His relationship, with us. And it is impossible that <<what is required>> is anything else or more than Jesus Christ and his relationship with us to be Sign that, the Covenant of God's Grace is entered into and is active in the lives and heart of Christ's followers.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Devil hates the law of God and has attacked it for many centuries people just don't see it because the devil is an expert on deceiving. He can make something bad look good, but just because it looks good it does not make it good. Mathew 4:4 4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’” EVERY WORD. If you believe in a doctrine and can't prove it with the Word of God, then you must check your doctrine. My Bible says SHABBAT must be kept because: Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. Who rested on the Sabbath? God rested and he also commands that his follower rest on the Sabbath: Mark 2:27 And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. Question when was the Sabbath made? and if the Sabbath was made for mankind then did Adam and Eve keep the Sabbath? according to the statement Jesus gave yes, because it was made for mankind. The Sabbath is not only for the Jews is for mankind Jesus said. But the devil is very sneaky and has messed around with God's law thinking that he can change the 4th commandment. Daniel 7:25

Again the last supper and the shame proshedjure’sj last year…


The Devil hates the Christ of God and has attacked Him for many centuries. People just don't see HIM because the devil is an expert on deceiving; he can make something bad, look good; but just because it looks good does not make bad, be good. Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’” EVERY WORD. If you believe in a doctrine and can't prove it with the words of God in Scripture, then you must check your doctrine. God’s Word does not say in Genesis 2:2, SHABBAT, or, that SHABBAT must be kept; though the Shabbat and its obligation somehow do speak from ‘between the lines’ in Genesis 2:2,3-3:24. What speaks louder and clearer from these pages though, is the condescending saving love of God through Jesus Christ. So that it is impossible to discover the Sabbath and its obligation in these Scriptures unless Christ has been discovered in them, first.

“For thus God … by the Son in these last days … as by the prophets in times past … concerning the Seventh Day spake … And on the Seventh Day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the Seventh Day from all His work which He had done.”

Who rested on the Sabbath? God rested… “by the Son”. But the Son does not command that his follower rest on the Sabbath, here, in Genesis, or, in Mark 2:27, although Jesus by his words and actions in these Scriptures, invites and beckons and pleads— “And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.”


Re: <<Question: When was the Sabbath made? and if the Sabbath was made for mankind then did Adam and Eve keep the Sabbath?>>

Answer: The Sabbath was made for man (Adam and Eve) because they did NOT keep it, but God “made” it for them, because “they through unbelief / disobedience entered NOT into the / My Rest”, but, “provoked” God and ate of the tree God forbade them to eat of. Thus according to the statement Jesus gave, the Sabbath was made ‘at the disposal of God’ for disposing of his mercies, from the beginning.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

the old way of the written code.

What exactly do you consider to be the old way of the written code??
You would quote the Fourth Commandment; anyone can tell, IF YOU HAD THE COURAGE.
But now as always you lack the courage. Hero!

 

[mark wright]

John 14:15-17 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.... Here we see a promise ((KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS)) and Jesus will pray to the Father to give us another helper the Holy Spirit. So to receive the Holy Spirit there is a ((condition)) and we MUST KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. Why do many Christians call this legalism? Jesus said it and it is written. Now if you can show me that you can receive the Holy Spirit and continue to be disobedient to the commandments of God, please show me.

Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law or by believing what you heard?
Are you so foolish? After begining with the Spirit are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
Gal3:3

 

[sparow]

What laws and times???

You are asking me to interpret scripture. The prophesy that Laws and times would be perceived to be changed, was given to Daniel; I don't think Gabriel expanded on this so I look to see which of God's Laws have appeared to be change; one is circumcision, another is the abrogation of the Ten Commandments. For times, the Sabbath is changed to Sunday and some throw the seventieth week down to the end of time.

 

[sparow]

It's impossible <<Entering into covenant with God>> is any different than, or is anything else, than His relationship, with us. And it is impossible that <<what is required>> is anything else or more than Jesus Christ and his relationship with us to be Sign that, the Covenant of God's Grace is entered into and is active in the lives and heart of Christ's followers.

I am not aware that there is such a thing as covenant of Grace except as a man made doctrine; Jesus neve taught it. God is graceful and has given each of us the duration of our life the make the WAY straight.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

So which commandments does John write of:

Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask because we obey his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command to believe in the name of his son Jesus Christ and to love one another as he commanded us
1 john3:21-23

Your heart must condemn you if you are a sincere christian for you hinge everything on a law you cannot obey

As much greater and more inclusive of all minor Laws of God is the Law YOU claim to obey and boast you are able to obey, as much must your heart condemn you, for you hinge everything on the Law you least obey, and are least able, to obey -- if you are a sincere Christian. Are you God? God does not judge the way you judge and condemn. Not even God can be holy as you are. For God does not claim that He keeps a Law which He does not keep, but despises.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I am not aware that there is such a thing as covenant of Grace except as a man made doctrine; Jesus neve taught it. God is graceful and has given each of us the duration of our life the make the WAY straight.

What shall I say? "Answer ...; Do not answer ...". Folly is froward.