Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are asking me to interpret scripture. The prophesy that Laws and times would be perceived to be changed, was given to Daniel; I don't think Gabriel expanded on this so I look to see which of God's Laws have appeared to be change; one is circumcision, another is the abrogation of the Ten Commandments. For times, the Sabbath is changed to Sunday and some throw the seventieth week down to the end of time.

A Seventh-day Adventist . . . who could have guessed ...

 

[stuart lawrence]

What exactly do you consider to be the old way of the written code??
You would quote the Fourth Commandment; anyone can tell, IF YOU HAD THE COURAGE.
But now as always you lack the courage. Hero!

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

I'm under the new covenant. Why not try it

 

[stuart lawrence]

As much greater and more inclusive of all minor Laws of God is the Law YOU claim to obey and boast you are able to obey, as much must your heart condemn you, for you hinge everything on the Law you least obey, and are least able, to obey -- if you are a sincere Christian. Are you God? God does not judge the way you judge and condemn. Not even God can be holy as you are. For God does not claim that He keeps a Law which He does not keep, but despises.

Its strange, but people who don't keep the law pertaining to the inner man, the law that no one but God knows if they break, boast they keep the law

 

[stuart lawrence]

What exactly do you consider to be the old way of the written code??
You would quote the Fourth Commandment; anyone can tell, IF YOU HAD THE COURAGE.
But now as always you lack the courage. Hero!

The old way of the written code is looking to the letter of individual commandments and striving to obey them to please God.
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People who looked to the Ten Commandments and strove to obey them to be justified, they believed they would attain heaven that way
That's the old covenant

 

[mmksparbud]

You are asking me to interpret scripture. The prophesy that Laws and times would be perceived to be changed, was given to Daniel; I don't think Gabriel expanded on this so I look to see which of God's Laws have appeared to be change; one is circumcision, another is the abrogation of the Ten Commandments. For times, the Sabbath is changed to Sunday and some throw the seventieth week down to the end of time.

Interpret?? Look into. One thing about prophetic utterances, they usually can't be figured out until they have already happened. Then it's like--oh, yah, that fits everything.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
This is about one individual--one king--"He shall"--this is about one king that comes after 10 kings, different from the other 10, who subdues 3 kings-- that thinks to change times and laws. "They shall be given into his hand for a time, times and the dividing of time." What is given to him for that length of time? The laws and times he changes?? How long is time, times and the dividing of times. Seems like if this has already happened, you then should be able to figure out what fits all those things. It says the 10 kings come during the 4th kingdom of this earth. A kingdom that devours the whole earth. So what were the first 3 kingdoms? Then the 4th should be pretty easy to figure out and the first 3 are described in Daniel 2:38-45. Once the 4th kingdom is figured out, then this special king should be made clearer and so will the times and laws. But then, maybe you're not interested anyway.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am not aware that there is such a thing as covenant of Grace except as a man made doctrine; Jesus neve taught it. God is graceful and has given each of us the duration of our life the make the WAY straight.

What would you call a covenant where Christ died in your place for your sins?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Deuteronomy 11:1 “Therefore you shall love the Lord your God, and keep His charge, His statutes, His judgments, and His commandments always". Verse 13 ‘And it shall be that if you earnestly obey My commandments which I command you today, to love the Lord your God and serve Him with all your heart and with all your soul, 14 THEN I will give you the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in your grain, your new wine, and your oil. Here we see another condition to receive the latter rain you must obey the Lord's commandments. This world will be total chaos if people didn't keep God's commandments and this is not legalism. The commandments are a blessing for the good of you and your neighbor.

Its strange, but people who don't keep the law pertaining to the inner man, the law no one but God knows they break, claim they keep the law

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law or by believing what you heard?
Are you so foolish? After begining with the Spirit are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort? Gal3:3

So, your answer to Paul's questions is, Yes! I have received the Spirit by observing the Law which I have often insisted that I keep instead of the Sabbath. Yes I received the Spirit by having loved God above all.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Its strange, but people who don't keep the law pertaining to the inner man, the law no one but God knows they break, claim they keep the law

Good! Tell them!

... like

The people who most earnestly stress obey the law reflect the least what Christ termed the higher points of the law

... implying he keeps the law pertaining to the inner man, the law which no one but he and God know, he breaks.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

What would you call a covenant where Christ died in your place for your sins?

Amen!

 

[stuart lawrence]

So, your answer to Paul's questions is, Yes! I have received the Spirit by observing the Law which I have often insisted that I keep instead of the Sabbath. Yes I received the Spirit by having loved God above all.

Why isnt everyday your true spiritual Sabbath rest?

 

[stuart lawrence]

No one attained to heaven under the old covenant, for no one could be truly righteous under it. All rely on Christs death at Calvary.
The law is inflexible, it holds to a standard nan cannot attain. Break the law at just one point and you stand guilty under it.

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it
James 2:10

 

[stuart lawrence]

Good! Tell them!

... like

... implying he keeps the law pertaining to the inner man, the law which no one but he and God know, he breaks.

In Jesus day the Pharisees were the people who stressed most earnestly the letter of the law be fully obeyed. On the outside they appeared the most Godly, righteous of people, but Jesus said on the inside they were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean. The ordinary person would probably have assumed because the Pharisees appeared on the outside the most Godly of people they were the same on the inside. The ordinary person probably felt much guilt in this regard, for they knew on the inside they were far from perfect.
Jesus said the yeast of the Pharisees was hypocrisy, for they insisted the people fully obey the law, while all the time on the inside they continually broke it
Scripturally speaking, the people who most earnestly stressed the letter of the written code must be obeyed to attain heaven, were the most corrupted of people on the inside

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

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The people who most earnestly stress obey the law reflect the least what Christ termed the higher points of the law.

Why isnt everyday your true spiritual Sabbath rest?

Because the Sabbath isn't my everyday true spiritual Rest, but while the Lord God in Christ Jesus Himself is my everyday true spiritual Rest[*], "the day The Seventh Day is Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD". Not mine either!
[*"The Rest-of-God", 'Katapausis tou Theou']

"Because if JESUS gave them Rest (that is, gave them Himself), there THEREFORE for the People of God remains Sabbath Day's rest." 'sabbatismos tohi laohi apoleipetai'.

 

[stuart lawrence]

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Because the Sabbath isn't my everyday true spiritual Rest, but while the Lord God in Christ Jesus Himself is my everyday true spiritual Rest[*], "the day The Seventh Day is Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD". Not mine either!
[*"The Rest-of-God", 'Katapausis tou Theou']

"Because if JESUS gave them Rest (that is, gave them Himself), there THEREFORE for the People of God remains Sabbath Day's rest." 'sabbatismos tohi laohi apoleipetai'.

The Christian rests from their work, for Christ paid the price of their faliures.
Every day I meditate, rest in what Christ did for me at Calvary. The christian has a true spiritual Sabbath rest each of the seven days

 

[stuart lawrence]

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Because the Sabbath isn't my everyday true spiritual Rest, but while the Lord God in Christ Jesus Himself is my everyday true spiritual Rest[*], "the day The Seventh Day is Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD". Not mine either!
[*"The Rest-of-God", 'Katapausis tou Theou']

"Because if JESUS gave them Rest (that is, gave them Himself), there THEREFORE for the People of God remains Sabbath Day's rest." 'sabbatismos tohi laohi apoleipetai'.

According to what os written in the new testement( covenant) you are quite entitled to set a specific day aside as a Sabbath /holy day. You are not entitled to insist everyone else does the same

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

No one attained to heaven under the old covenant, for no one could be truly righteous under it. All rely on Christs death at Calvary.
The law is inflexible, it holds to a standard nan cannot attain. Break the law at just one point and you stand guilty under it.

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it
James 2:10

For sure! But not <<all rely on Christ's death at Calvary>>.[*] Because all "GOD spake concerning the Seventh Day", relies on Christ's Resurrection -- from the beginning until "God thus spake ... by the Son ... and God the day, The Seventh Day, from ALL, HIS, WORKS, RESTED!" "Thus", "the LORD on the Seventh Day rested and was revived", and "rested up again, his Name being The Most Holy Place" of every true believer's everyday true spiritual Rest of God.

All concerning the Sabbath Day in the Gospel of Jesus Christ relies on his Resurrection from the dead "Late on the Sabbath in the mid-afternoon as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week", on none of man's sick sloth and neglect that he claims is God's, rest.

[*For Roman Catholics yes, but not for Protestants.]

 

[stuart lawrence]

For sure! But not <<all rely on Christ's death at Calvary>>.[*] Because all "GOD spake concerning the Seventh Day", relies on Christ's Resurrection -- from the beginning until "God thus spake ... by the Son ... and God the day, The Seventh Day, from ALL, HIS, WORKS, RESTED!" "Thus", "the LORD on the Seventh Day rested and was revived", and "rested up again, his Name being The Most Holy Place" of every true believer's everyday true spiritual Rest of God.

All concerning the Sabbath Day in the Gospel of Jesus Christ relies on his Resurrection from the dead "Late on the Sabbath in the mid-afternoon as it began to daw towards the First Day of the week", on none of man's sick sloth and neglect that he claims is God's, rest.

[*For Roman Catholics yes, but not for Protestants.]

I'm sure in your case God is pleased you see it the way you do, for you are doing what in your heart you believe to be right on this issue

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

According to what os written in the new testement( covenant) you are quite entitled to set a specific day aside as a Sabbath /holy day. You are not entitled to insist everyone else does the same

I deny both the presumed and presumptuous self <-entitling> and on one's own <-setting aside> of <<a specific day as a Sabbath /holy day>> or of any non-specific day for that matter.

And neither you nor I am <<entitled to insist everyone else does the same>>. So your objection is mute, dumb, says nothing, means nothing.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Accept him who's faith is weak without passing judgement on disputable matters. Rom14:1

What disputable matters is Paul talking about here?

Verse 5

One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another, another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.

Verse 14:
As one who is in the Lord Jesus I am convinced that no food is unclean in itself, but if anyone regards something as unclean then for him it is unclean