Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[disciple1]

Ex 20:6 "Don't take God's name in vain"



Is this your response to everyone that admit to this Bible fact that we are not to take God's name in vain?

Romans 8 says the wicked do not submit to the LAW of God- neither indeed can they.

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

You twist everything I never said to take God's name in vain.

Is this your response to everyone that admit to this Bible fact that we are not to take God's name in vain?

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain even if we haven't.
Romans chapter 7
4 So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

 

[BobRyan]

Ex 20:6 "Don't take God's name in vain"

You forget you don't obey the commandments, no one ever did but Christ.
.

Is this your response to everyone that admit to this Bible fact that we are not to take God's name in vain?

Romans 8 says the wicked do not submit to the LAW of God- neither indeed can they.

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

You twist everything I never said to take God's name in vain.

Indeed you "pick and choose" which commandments to add your "You don't keep the law" non-solution to.

I was simply pointing that out.

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty

Do you say that each time some says "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"???

why don't you answer that question????


So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

 

[disciple1]

Ex 20:6 "Don't take God's name in vain"



Is this your response to everyone that admit to this Bible fact that we are not to take God's name in vain?

Romans 8 says the wicked do not submit to the LAW of God- neither indeed can they.

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.



Indeed you "pick and choose" which commandments to add your "You don't keep the law" non-solution to.

I was simply pointing that out.



Do you say that each time some says "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"???

why don't you answer that question????


So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"



Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

You take Gods name in vain.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts if faith expressing itself in love.
Why don't you study the bible a few years, then maybe you won't twist it.

 

[masmpg]

You forget you don't obey the commandments, no one ever did but Christ.
Look at this.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

Prove this from scripture. The verses you use to prove your opinions are not even in the same context as the issue.

Did you know that those who do not obey the law are "under the law"? Only those who obey the law are NOT "under the law".

 

[disciple1]

Prove this from scripture. The verses you use to prove your opinions are not even in the same context as the issue.

Did you know that those who do not obey the law are "under the law"? Only those who obey the law are NOT "under the law".

But no one obeys the law.

 

[BobRyan]

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You take Gods name in vain.
.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain??

Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it??

You think that since they ever sin at all - there is really no point to noticing the act of taking God's name in vain??

Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[BobRyan]

duplicate

 

[masmpg]

But no one obeys the law.

Where is the verse to prove that?

Tell me, when you get on your knees and ask the Lord to forgive your sins are there any left?

 

[disciple1]

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"



Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"



Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain??

Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it??

You think that since they ever sin at all - there is really no point to noticing the act of taking God's name in vain??

Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

You always twist everything.
Look at these verses and see who is a Christian and who isn't.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Acts chapter 11
26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
So you have to hold to Jesus's teaching to be set free, if your not set free your not a disciple, and as it says in Acts if your not a disciple your not a christian.
I've been set free and am a Christian anyone who preaches the law except to love your neighbor as yourself is going to be judged by the law, and the law brings death.
Please study the bible so you will be set free, I pity people in your position.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
Mark chapter 13
31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

 

[disciple1]

Where is the verse to prove that?

Tell me, when you get on your knees and ask the Lord to forgive your sins are there any left?

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

 

[disciple1]

Prove this from scripture. The verses you use to prove your opinions are not even in the same context as the issue.

Did you know that those who do not obey the law are "under the law"? Only those who obey the law are NOT "under the law".

You must have heard as you judge so will you be judged, with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
So if you judge by the law you will be judged by the law.

Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

 

[BobRyan]

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You take Gods name in vain.
.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain??

Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it??

You think that since they ever sin at all - there is really no point to noticing the act of taking God's name in vain??

Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

You always twist everything.

Try answering the very short list of questions in that case.

Stay on topic and let us know what your answer is to the idea of not taking God's name in vain.

This will explain a lot. No need to engage in false accusations - just address the topic and the texts that point to a problem in your model.

So far you have said this --

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Are you ok with sticking to that answer as the answer to the question about not taking God's name in vain?

The response that is of the form - "some texts cannot be talked about in my model" does not work for others - and I am sure you would not want to resort to that either - so we are both in agreement at that point.

Question for you --

Is James saying "Go ahead and murder and commit adultery because after all -- you might covet one day".

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[disciple1]

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"



Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"



Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain??

Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it??

You think that since they ever sin at all - there is really no point to noticing the act of taking God's name in vain??

Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.



Try answering the very short list of questions in that case.

Stay on topic and let us know what your answer is to the idea of not taking God's name in vain.

This will explain a lot. No need to engage in false accusations - just address the topic and the texts that point to a problem in your model.

So far you have said this --



Are you ok with sticking to that answer as the answer to the question about not taking God's name in vain?

The response that is of the form - "some texts cannot be talked about in my model" does not work for others - and I am sure you would not want to resort to that either - so we are both in agreement at that point.

Question for you --

Is James saying "Go ahead and murder and commit adultery because after all -- you might covet one day".

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

I'm sorry you don't know the truth.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Acts chapter 11
26 and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.
So you have to hold to Jesus's teaching to be set free, if your not set free your not a disciple, and as it says in Acts if your not a disciple your not a christian.
I've been set free and am a Christian anyone who preaches the law except to love your neighbor as yourself is going to be judged by the law, and the law brings death.
Please study the bible so you will be set free, I pity people in your position.

 

[BobRyan]

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You take Gods name in vain.
.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain??

Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it??

You think that since they ever sin at all - there is really no point to noticing the act of taking God's name in vain??

Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

You always twist everything.

Try answering the very short list of questions in that case.

Stay on topic and let us know what your answer is to the idea of not taking God's name in vain.

This will explain a lot. No need to engage in false accusations - just address the topic and the texts that point to a problem in your model.

So far you have said this --

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Are you ok with sticking to that answer as the answer to the question about not taking God's name in vain?

The response that is of the form - "some texts cannot be talked about in my model" does not work for others - and I am sure you would not want to resort to that either - so we are both in agreement at that point.

Question for you --

Is James saying "Go ahead and murder and commit adultery because after all -- you might covet one day".

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

I'm sorry you don't know the truth.

The Word of God - is the truth.

Scripture is your friend. You can freely read what has been posted there - as can we all.

 

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1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

That means nothing. Please read 1 John 1:8 in context with verse 9. If we SAY we are without sin we are sinning. If we claim that we are without sin we are sinning. This does not tell anybody that they must sin, or that they will always sin. I know positively that when I get on my knees and confess my sins God said that He will forgive me of my sins and cleanse me from all unrighteousness. I am just claiming a promise not boasting that I am ever without sin. If we say we are without sin we are boasting, and that is a sin. BUT after we confess our sins we never have to sin again. Nowhere in the bible are we told otherwise.

You didn't answer my question. When you confess your sins how many are left?

 

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You must have heard as you judge so will you be judged, with the measure you use it will be measured to you.
So if you judge by the law you will be judged by the law.

Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

This still doesn't address the fact that only those who are breaking the law are "under the law". You cannot be carnal and spiritual at the same time. There certainly was a change in the law that Moses wrote in a book according to Deuteronomy 31:25-...The law that was changed was the ceremonial laws which pointed to Jesus, like the sacrificial services and ceremonial sabbath days like feast of unleavened bread etc which were called sabbaths. Many of which ended at the cross because Jesus was the final lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world. To practice animal sacrifices, thinking that they have any merit at all would be useless. Just like celebrating the passover, which pointed to Jesus. He was the final passover lamb, which the whole jewish economy pointed to.

I do not judge, I observe and report. Even so nowhere are we told in scripture not to judge. Jesus said in John:7:24: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." Anybody who says they do not judge are liars. It is impossible to go through a day without judging someone. Say your daughter came home with a very wild looking character? Our initial first thought about anybody is a judgment. Ever heard the term "first impression"? Whatever judgment we judge someone else by will be used against us. If I smoked and told you not to smoke I am being a hypocrite. This is what is meant by judge not lest you be judged.

Perfection can only be obtained through accepting by faith Christ's righteousness as our own. It is impossible to have Christ abiding in us and still sin. When we come to this reality we are in fact saved, and by faith we know that all our sins are gone every time we confess. There was never a time after the fall where man could achieve any sort of righteousness on his own. Everyone who ever died in Christ will be saved by grace.

 

[1John2:4]

But no one obeys the law.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

 

[BobRyan]

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"

You take Gods name in vain.
.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain??

Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it??

You think that since they ever sin at all - there is really no point to noticing the act of taking God's name in vain??

Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

You always twist everything.

Try answering the very short list of questions in that case.

Stay on topic and let us know what your answer is to the idea of not taking God's name in vain.

This will explain a lot. No need to engage in false accusations - just address the topic and the texts that point to a problem in your model.

So far you have said this --

You don't keep the law, if someone keeps the whole law and disobeys at just one point their guilty
of breaking every law.
So we're all guilty of taking Gods name in vain

Are you ok with sticking to that answer as the answer to the question about not taking God's name in vain?

The response that is of the form - "some texts cannot be talked about in my model" does not work for others - and I am sure you would not want to resort to that either - so we are both in agreement at that point.

Question for you --

Is James saying "Go ahead and murder and commit adultery because after all -- you might covet one day".

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.

I'm sorry you don't know the truth.

I am simply sticking with the Bible on this point -- if your response is going to be that the Bible is not truth - well you have free will I suppose you can go down that road if you must.

I suggest you reconsider - you will find out that the Bible is a "good thing" and not bad at all.

 

[disciple1]

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"



Perfect -- we now have your answer to that question. Thanks.

Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain?? Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it?? no point to noticing it?? Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name???

Meanwhile we have the actual Bible -- about those who "do not" and "indeed CAN NOT" subject themselves to the LAW of God - vs those who are "in the Spirit"

Romans 8
3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

No wonder even your own pro-Sunday scholars agree with the Bible on this point instead of going down the war-against-God's-Law line of argument.

So now when I say to you "don't take God's name in vain - because that is sin"



Is that your response to taking God's name in vain because you think it is a good idea to take God's name in vain??

Because you think Christians should not be concerned with doing it??

You think that since they ever sin at all - there is really no point to noticing the act of taking God's name in vain??

Is this what you would tell a new Christian coming in after a life of cursing and swearing against God's name??

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.



Try answering the very short list of questions in that case.

Stay on topic and let us know what your answer is to the idea of not taking God's name in vain.

This will explain a lot. No need to engage in false accusations - just address the topic and the texts that point to a problem in your model.

So far you have said this --



Are you ok with sticking to that answer as the answer to the question about not taking God's name in vain?

The response that is of the form - "some texts cannot be talked about in my model" does not work for others - and I am sure you would not want to resort to that either - so we are both in agreement at that point.

Question for you --

Is James saying "Go ahead and murder and commit adultery because after all -- you might covet one day".

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. 9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not commit murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.



I am simply sticking with the Bible on this point -- if your response is going to be that the Bible is not truth - well you have free will I suppose you can go down that road if you must.

I suggest you reconsider - you will find out that the Bible is a "good thing" and not bad at all.

I'm sorry I posted anything on Christian forums, theirs so many people who teach you don't need me, if their was a shortage of people teaching then it would make sense for me to teach.
James chapter 3
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they sayis perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
1 Corinthians chapter 1 verse 21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

 

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I'm sorry I posted anything on Christian forums, theirs so many people who teach you don't need me, if their was a shortage of people teaching then it would make sense for me to teach.
James chapter 3
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they sayis perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
1 Corinthians chapter 1 verse 21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

One very important principle that is left out of all theological cemeteries, and one which most scholars either forget or deny is that a teacher must be teachable. There are always people out there that know more then we do. To always find the one point of contention in a forum, and attack it is not any way to share truth. First find a point of agreement and others will be more apt to listen and reason together.