Why do people hate the Seventh Day Adventists?

[mark wright]

I know that we have Biblical Scripture to support;
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Exodus 16:28
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Leviticus 22:31
Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, thefaithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Notice that it is the Lord speaking the above words not man.
There are many more of these in the word.

From Jesus words I quoted therefore, can we say anyone who quoted the above concerning judgement, and failed themselves to obey the commandments would be in a perilous position?

A bit like the Pharisees of Jesus day

 

[mark wright]

I know that we have Biblical Scripture to support;
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Exodus 16:28
And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Leviticus 22:31
Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 4:2
Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, thefaithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Notice that it is the Lord speaking the above words not man.
There are many more of these in the word.

May I give a further example?
Many quote Jesus words:
If you love me keep my commandments

They then say you must obey each and every command of Christ in the gospels or you don't love him.
I don't know about you, but in over forty years of going to church and mixing with Christians i have met no one who has even tried to obey every command of Christ.
A very dangerous thing to demand of others what you fail to do in your own life as I am sure you will agree.

Happily for the Christian they have been released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code as Gods word tells us.
His word also tells us:
Sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

According to Gods word, under the new covenant that is the way to live an ever holier life for God

 

[Original Happy Camper]

From Jesus words I quoted therefore, can we say anyone who quoted the above concerning judgement, and failed themselves to obey the commandments would be in a perilous position?

A bit like the Pharisees of Jesus day

We keep the commandments by faith in Jesus not by trusting in our own works.
Habakkuk 2:4
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[mark wright]

We keep the commandments by faith in Jesus not by trusting in our own works.
Habakkuk 2:4
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Do you obey each and every command of Christ in the gospels?
If you do not, does this mean you do not love Jesus?

 

[EmmaCat]

We have no reason to hate. Love is stronger, but some people do not understand that.

I really get sick of this kind of mess. Just hold my hand, we'll get through life together.

God loves you and so do I.

 

[mark wright]

We keep the commandments by faith in Jesus not by trusting in our own works.
Habakkuk 2:4
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

BTW
Rom 1:17 is a great verse.

Of course if we were justified for heaven by obeying the commandments we could not have a righteousness/ justification of faith from first to last could we( niv)

 

[mark wright]

So my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him that was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God
For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death.
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way of the written code
Rom7:4-6

 

[Original Happy Camper]

May I give a further example?
Many quote Jesus words:
If you love me keep my commandments

They then say you must obey each and every command of Christ in the gospels or you don't love him.
I don't know about you, but in over forty years of going to church and mixing with Christians i have met no one who has even tried to obey every command of Christ.
A very dangerous thing to demand of others what you fail to do in your own life as I am sure you will agree.

Happily for the Christian they have been released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit, not the old way of the written code as Gods word tells us.
His word also tells us:
Sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

According to Gods word, under the new covenant that is the way to live an ever holier life for God

Maybe this verse will help you understand that it is by faith in Christ only;
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

I can not keep the law in an of myself only by the obedience of Jesus am I made righteous.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

So my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him that was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God
For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death.
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not the old way of the written code
Rom7:4-6

Keep reading
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

 

[mark wright]

Maybe this verse will help you understand that it is by faith in Christ only;
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

I can not keep the law in an of myself only by the obedience of Jesus am I made righteous.

I want to apologise to you and the other chap I debated earlier. You don't understand the core of the message Paul preached, so naturally you take issue with what I wrote. It is not then correct for me to keep stressing that message.
My apologies

 

[mark wright]

Keep reading
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Great verses, they mean more to me than you could possibly imagine. And yes, the law of God is holy, perfect, righteous and good

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Mark I assume that you and I are both sinners and need the righteousness of Christ.
We cannot keep the letter of the law because we are sinners.
However Paul tells us that we would not know sin if it was not for the law then he cites two of the Ten Commandments. Common sense would indicate that if Paul quotes two of the Ten Commandments he is using them to explain what Law he was referring to.

Thus Paul is not indicating that the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[mark wright]

Mark I assume that you and I are both sinners and need the righteousness of Christ.
We cannot keep the letter of the law because we are sinners.
However Paul tells us that we would not know sin if it was not for the law then he cites two of the Ten Commandments. Common sense would indicate that if Paul quotes two of the Ten Commandments he is using them to explain what Law he was referring to.

Thus Paul is not indicating that the Ten Commandments were nailed to the cross.

Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Who said the ten commandments were nailed to the cross?

 

[mark wright]

[Staff edit]
You quoted rom 7:7-11.

Please give me a full explanation of those verses. In your explanation please state which time in Paul's life he is speaking of, and how sin could take advantage of Paul's knowledge of one of the ten commandments to manifest sin in him.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Who said the ten commandments were nailed to the cross?

Most of todays theology.

 

[mark wright]

Most of todays theology.

The heart of the law remains unshakeable, it cannot be removed, but something has been removed.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

You quoted rom 7:7-11.

Please give me a full explanation of those verses. In your explanation please state which time in Paul's life he is speaking of, and how sin could take advantage of Paul's knowledge of one of the ten commandments to manifest sin in him

Paul's name was Saul prior to his conversion please remember that when reading these verses.

The main subject of these verses is the Law plain and simple. He is establishing that the law is everlasting as it is the law of God is holy, perfect, righteous and good.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[mark wright]

Paul's name was Saul prior to his conversion please remember that when reading these verses.

The main subject of these verses is the Law plain and simple. He is establishing that the law is everlasting as it is the law of God is holy, perfect, righteous and good.
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Can you not do a thorough exegesis of rom 7:7-11 as requested?

If you cannot, why are you posting those verses to try and correct what you see as my error?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

The heart of the law remains unshakeable, it cannot be removed, but something has been removed.

Clarification on what has been removed please and by whom.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Can you not do a thorough exegesis of rom 7:7-11 as requested?

If you cannot, why are you posting those verses to try and correct what you see as my error?

I take the word as it is written.