Why the Catholic Church changes the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday

[BobRyan]

I would have written that there WAS nothing wrong with the 10 commandments and there WAS something wrong with the Israelites. .

Romans 8:4-9 points out that there are two groups - the lost and the saved.

And in the case of the lost - well Paul says they do not submit to the Law of God - and they can not.

So then "yeah" -- it is still wrong to take God's name in vain.

And dishonoring your father and mother - is a bad idea -- still. As Christ reminds us.

Christ summed it up this way in Mark 7 -

the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!

You continue to quote scripture from the time before the Cross

66 books in my Bible -- are you saying you only have 23 after deleting the Gospels and the OT??

Your objection to "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16 -- "noted"
How about objecting to Christ's teaching in Matt 28? do you do that as well?

Matt 28
" 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Do you also object to the great "Sola Scriptura" texts that rely on the very Bible you reject?
"They studied the SCRIPTURES daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were so" Acts 17:11

Luke 24:27"27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures."

This thread is about the RCC editing/changing the Sabbath Commandment to point it to week-day-1 -- are you posting against the majority of scripture - because you know that the RCC claims to accept all of it - and that this is the only way "in your mind" to affirm all TEN of the TEN commandments?

We can be thankful that at least - the RCC is not going to "that" extreme.

Nor do your own pro-Sunday scholars do it.

Based on what you claiming, we are to now circumcise all our male offspring as Abraham

Less excuses -- more Bible please.

1 Cor 7;19 compares circumcision to the "Commandments of God" - including the TEN Commandments - and says that although circumcision/uncircumcision does not matter -- what "matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God".

So then "Do not take God's name in vain" while NOT in your sliced up section of NT minus Gospel letters... is still valid.

So much so that Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is affirmed as the "FIRST commandment (in that still valid unit-of-ten) with a promise".. As you and I both know.

 

[BobRyan]

When people go around deleting over half the Bible as "not for me" -- well they don't stop with the OT, they will also delete the NT -- GOSPELS!!

And then ignore even then - all the NT texts affirming the "Commandments" of God ...

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In Matt 22 Jesus affirms OT - LAW and scripture
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
Matt 22 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

Matt 22
34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ (Deut 6:5) 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ (Lev 19:18) 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

The firm foundation for the LAW and the prophets - LOVE.

TEN COMMANDMENTS AFFIRMED in NT

Matt 19
And someone came to Him and said;Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life 17 And He said to him, Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments; 18 Then he *said to Him, Which ones? And Jesus said,
You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and
You shall love your neighbor as yourself


"what matters is Keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"If you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15

Matt 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

What law? The Law that condemns all mankind as sinners -

Rom 3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

That same law - same chapter

"do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31



Any part of scripture read could fall under that title.

Acts 13:15 And after the reading of the Law and the Prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, Men and brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.

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Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
13 Therefore did that which is good become a cause of death for me? May it never be! Rather it was sin, in order that it might be shown to be sin by effecting my death through that which is good, so that through the commandment sin would become utterly sinful.
14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good.


Rom 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.



Romans 2
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law.

13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
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25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Rom 3
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

"Sin IS transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4
"ALL have sinned" Romans 3:23

Both Jews AND Gentiles are explicitly included in Romans 2 --
4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.


Eph 6:2 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), -- the 5th commandment in that still-valid "unit of ten" is the "FIRST commandment with a promise.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

When people go around deleting over half the Bible as "not for me" -- well they don't stop with the OT, they will also delete the NT -- GOSPELS!!

And then ignore even then - all the NT texts affirming the "Commandments" of God ...

A most false and ignominious denouncement of most every day upright and honest Christians.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Eph 6:2 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), -- the 5th commandment in that still-valid "unit of ten" is the "FIRST commandment with a promise.

Wrong!
Eph 6:2 2 "Honour your father and mother -- which is the first commandment with a promise", NOT a la BobRyan SDA style <<the 5th commandment in that still-valid "unit of ten">>, but the "first commandment with a promise" in the list mentioned by Paul, there!
Because the first Commandment with a promise <<in that still-valid "unit of ten">> was the Third Commandment which had the Promise of God's faithfulness to those who use His Name honourably.

 

[BobRyan]

Eph 6:2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise), -- the 5th commandment in that still-valid "unit of ten" is the "FIRST commandment with a promise.

James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, ou shall love your neighbor as yourself, (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said,
Do not commit adultery
also said,
Do not commit murder.
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

Wrong!
Eph 6:2 2 "Honour your father and mother -- which is the first commandment with a promise",

Such insight.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[BABerean2]

Less excuses -- more Bible please.

Gen_17:11　 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Gen_17:14　 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Gen_17:23　 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

Gen_17:24　 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

Gen_17:25　 And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

Exo_4:25　 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.

Lev_12:3　 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.


Gal 5:1　 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.　
Gal 5:2　 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.　
Gal 5:3　 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.　
Gal 5:4　 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.　


Php 3:1　 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.　
Php 3:2　 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!　


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[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Such insight.

Thanks for sharing.

What is the cause you have at heart, BobRyan? The Gospel of Jesus Christ which also enhances the Sabbath He is Lord of?

Well, I suggest your readers vent their feelings about your success. I'll give mine first. If I have to say how desirable I find the Gospel at your presentation and invitation, I place my little cross in the 'Repulsive' column.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It's a moral law, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome...

 

[BobRyan]

I would have written that there WAS nothing wrong with the 10 commandments and there WAS something wrong with the Israelites. .

Romans 8:4-9 points out that there are two groups - the lost and the saved.

And in the case of the lost - well Paul says they do not submit to the Law of God - and they can not.

So then "yeah" -- it is still wrong to take God's name in vain.

And dishonoring your father and mother - is a bad idea -- still. As Christ reminds us.

Christ summed it up this way in Mark 7 -

the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments


And notice how Eph 6:2 uses that same Commandment - predicating it's affirmative on the basis of a still valid unit of TEN in which the command to honor Parents is the "FIRST commandment with a promise"!

You continue to quote scripture from the time before the Cross

66 books in my Bible -- are you saying you only have 23 after deleting the Gospels and the OT??

Your objection to "ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16 -- "noted"
How about objecting to Christ's teaching in Matt 28? do you do that as well?

Matt 28
" 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Do you also object to the great "Sola Scriptura" texts that rely on the very Bible you reject?
"They studied the SCRIPTURES daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were so" Acts 17:11

Luke 24:27"27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures."

This thread is about the RCC editing/changing the Sabbath Commandment to point it to week-day-1 -- are you posting against the majority of scripture - because you know that the RCC claims to accept all of it - and that this is the only way "in your mind" to affirm all TEN of the TEN commandments?

We can be thankful that at least - the RCC is not going to "that" extreme.

Nor do your own pro-Sunday scholars do it.

Based on what you claiming, we are to now circumcise all our male offspring as Abraham

Less excuses -- more Bible please.

1 Cor 7;19 compares circumcision to the "Commandments of God" - including the TEN Commandments - and says that although circumcision/uncircumcision does not matter -- what "matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God".

So then "Do not take God's name in vain" while NOT in your sliced up section of NT minus Gospel letters... is still valid.

So much so that Eph 6:2 the 5th commandment is affirmed as the "FIRST commandment (in that still valid unit-of-ten) with a promise".. As you and I both know.

Gen_17:11　 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

Gen_17:14　 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Gen_17:23　 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

Gen_17:24　 And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

....

Php 3:1　 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.　
Php 3:2　 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!　


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I find your logic "illusive"... will stick with the texts I quoted that pertain to the point at hand.

1 Cor 7
17 Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk. And so I direct in all the churches. 18 Was any man called when he was already circumcised? He is not to become uncircumcised. Has anyone been called in uncircumcision? He is not to be circumcised. 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God. 20 Each man must remain in that condition in which he was called

 

[BobRyan]

speaking of which -- the actual topic...

Catholic answers - address this question

"Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true?"
http://www.catholic.com/quickquesti...im-that-the-sabbath-shouldnt-have-been-change

Catholic Answers sets the record straight?

"While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, "Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday," Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18–19, 18:17–18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19–20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday."

(that quote was also from the same link as posted above)

They "of course" fail to find even ONE text saying

"from week day one to week-day one shall all mankind come before Me to worship" as we have in Is 66:23 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"Week-day one was made for mankind.. the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" as we have in Mark 2:27-28 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"Remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" as we have in Ex 20:8 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"week day 1 is the Holy day of the Lord" as we have in Isaiah 58:13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the next week day 1 - nearly the entire town came together to hear Gospel preaching" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"they kept asking that the Gospel be presented to them again on the next week day 1" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

" 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every week day 1 and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." as we have in Acts 18:4 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the first day is the Lord's day" as we have for the Bible Sabbath in Ex 20:10 and in Is 58:13.

Recall that the "Sabbath" designation for the Bible 7th day Sabbath is often found in the NT. But not once do we find "Lord's day" for week-day-1 or "the new Christian Sabbath" as the term for week-day-1 in the NT.

Sooooo - -lacking all of that "actual evidence".

The link above will simply have to "settle" for some hope of finding a hint that maybe and event EVER happened on week-day-1 and was a worship service. The search is on at that site to find such evidence!

The fact that they did claim to make such a change is not only supported by the "Catholic Answers" article - but also discussed on this thread starting here --
Apr 8, 2015 #1

With proof posted many places on that other thread -- including
Oct 3, 2015 #387

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I'll stop after two attempts ... and expect another outcome, hope against hope.

It's a moral law, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome...

 

[Original Happy Camper]

The Catholic Church does not expect Catholics to keep the Sabbath. I thought you knew that. We are, rather, to keep the Lord's Day (Sunday) which has the solemnity of the Sabbath.

You are absolutely right it is the RCC that tells you to keep the first day of the week holy, not scripture.
God says to Keep the Seventh day Holy.

Jesus spoke these things,
Luke 6: King James Version (KJV)
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
(he had not died when he said this so he was speaking of the Seventh day Sabbath not First day of the week)
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

So, from having estimated the energy of dark matter infinitely greater than all other forms of energy together, 'scientists' now claim dark matter has only 0.some thirty odd zero's 1 of the energy previously known matter has. That's about my chance at getting a different outcome with regard to certain matter(s).

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Open Heart said: ↑
The Catholic Church does not expect Catholics to keep the Sabbath. I thought you knew that. We are, rather, to keep the Lord's Day (Sunday) which has the solemnity of the Sabbath.

I was unaware that man could make anything HOLY.

I know that the scripture tells us that GOD made the Seventh day Sabbath Holy
Genesis 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

sanctify
[sangk-tuh-fahy]
verb (used with object), sanctified, sanctifying.
1.
to make holy; set apart as sacred; consecrate.
2.
to purify or free from sin:
Sanctify your hearts.
3.
to impart religious sanction to; render legitimate or binding:
to sanctify a vow.
4.
to entitle to reverence or respect.
5.
to make productive of or conducive to spiritual blessing.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

So, from having estimated the energy of dark matter infinitely greater than all other forms of energy together, 'scientists' now claim dark matter has only 0.some thirty odd zero's 1 of the energy previously known matter has. That's about my chance at getting a different outcome with regard to certain matter(s).

Would you agree with history that the first-day of the week called Sunday was the day that pagans worshiped the sun?

Ezekiel 8:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

 

[BobRyan]

So, from having estimated the energy of dark matter infinitely greater than all other forms of energy together, 'scientists' now claim dark matter has only 0.some thirty odd zero's 1 of the energy previously known matter has. That's about my chance at getting a different outcome with regard to certain matter(s).

extremely off topic -- and has nothing at all to do with this thread.

"We know how much dark energy there is because we know how it affects the universe's expansion. Other than that, it is a complete mystery. But it is an important mystery. It turns out that roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 27%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe."

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy

 

[BobRyan]

Open Heart said: ↑
The Catholic Church does not expect Catholics to keep the Sabbath. I thought you knew that. We are, rather, to keep the Lord's Day (Sunday) which has the solemnity of the Sabbath.

I was unaware that man could make anything HOLY.

I know that the scripture tells us that GOD made the Seventh day Sabbath Holy
Genesis 2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

sanctify
[sangk-tuh-fahy]
verb (used with object), sanctified, sanctifying.
1.
to make holy; set apart as sacred; consecrate.
2.
to purify or free from sin:
Sanctify your hearts.
3.
to impart religious sanction to; render legitimate or binding:
to sanctify a vow.
4.
to entitle to reverence or respect.
5.
to make productive of or conducive to spiritual blessing.

And of course Exodus 20:11 points directly at the Genesis 1-2:3 event for the Sabbath.

 

[BobRyan]

I place my little cross in the 'Repulsive' column.

Interesting.

Now back to the actual topic of this thread --



Catholic answers - address this question about "changing" the Sabbath from one day to another.

"Seventh-day Adventists insist that the Catholic Church has no scriptural warrant for changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true?"
http://www.catholic.com/quickquesti...im-that-the-sabbath-shouldnt-have-been-change

Catholic Answers sets the record straight?

"While it is true that there is no New Testament record of a voice from the heavens instructing the infant Church, "Thou shalt change the day of thy worship and rest from Saturday to Sunday," Adventists are mistaken in their belief that there is no New Testament evidence that supports such a change by the Catholic Church. Quite apart from the biblical proof of the apostolic Church’s authority to teach in God’s name (Mt 16:18–19, 18:17–18, Lk 10:16) and of God’s guarantee that this teaching would never fall into error (Mt 28:19–20, Lk 22:32, Jn 16:13), there is an impressive amount of evidence from Scripture that Christ and the apostles changed their day of corporate worship from Saturday to Sunday."

(that quote was also from the same link as posted above)

They "of course" fail to find even ONE text saying

"from week day one to week-day one shall all mankind come before Me to worship" as we have in Is 66:23 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"Week-day one was made for mankind.. the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" as we have in Mark 2:27-28 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"Remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" as we have in Ex 20:8 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"week day 1 is the Holy day of the Lord" as we have in Isaiah 58:13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the next week day 1 - nearly the entire town came together to hear Gospel preaching" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath.

"they kept asking that the Gospel be presented to them again on the next week day 1" as we have in Acts 13 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

" 4 And he was reasoning in the synagogue every week day 1 and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks." as we have in Acts 18:4 for the Bible 7th day Sabbath

"the first day is the Lord's day" as we have for the Bible Sabbath in Ex 20:10 and in Is 58:13.

Recall that the "Sabbath" designation for the Bible 7th day Sabbath is often found in the NT. But not once do we find "Lord's day" for week-day-1 or "the new Christian Sabbath" as the term for week-day-1 in the NT.

Sooooo - -lacking all of that "actual evidence".

The link above will simply have to "settle" for some hope of finding a hint that maybe and event EVER happened on week-day-1 and was a worship service. The search is on at that site to find such evidence!

The fact that they did claim to make such a change is not only supported by the "Catholic Answers" article - but also discussed on this thread starting here --
Apr 8, 2015 #1

With proof posted many places on that other thread -- including
Oct 3, 2015 #387

 

[Meowzltov]

You are absolutely right it is the RCC that tells you to keep the first day of the week holy, not scripture.
God says to Keep the Seventh day Holy.

Jesus spoke these things,
Luke 6: King James Version (KJV)
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
(he had not died when he said this so he was speaking of the Seventh day Sabbath not First day of the week)
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Instructing us to worship on the Lord's Day rather than the Sabbath is not a "commandment of Men" but rather it is a commandment of the Church, and Christ granted authority to the Church. Jesus says, "Whoever listens to you, listens to me." Luke 10:16

Yes, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. But who is commanded to keep the Sabbath and why? Israel, in order to remember the Exodus. (Deuteronomy 5:1, 15)

 

[BobRyan]

You are absolutely right it is the RCC that tells you to keep the first day of the week holy, not scripture.
God says to Keep the Seventh day Holy.

Jesus spoke these things,
Luke 6: King James Version (KJV)
5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
(he had not died when he said this so he was speaking of the Seventh day Sabbath not First day of the week)
Matthew 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 15:9
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Indeed Mark 7:6-13 -- the traditions and commandments of men.

Notice how Christ hammers the traditions and doctrine of men "sola scriptura".

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

the "Commandment of God" -- the "Word of God" and "Moses said" -- in Mark 7:6-13

Certainly from their point of view they would never have accused themselves of diminishing the Ten Commandments in the least.

But what does Christ accuse them of doing?

1. Using their own traditions to nullify one of the Ten Commandments.
2. He calls the Ten Commandments "Moses says" -- and "the Word of God" and "the Commandment of God"
3. He argues that even though they do not claim to be setting aside one of the Commandments of God - they in fact are by observing the example he gives in the case of the 5th Commandment.
4. He argues that this is just one example of the many things they do with their traditions - in this way - nullifying the Word of God. Contradicting the Commandment of God - one of the TEN.
5. He states that it nullifies their worship.
6. Jesus is not defending their additions -- he is defending God's Commandments