GENTILES OR CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SABBATH ?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Well, YHWH CREATED all things, including the earth and all life, and the sun and the stars and the moon.

HE gave HIS WORD (better than any man's word) that
the cycle of night and day would continue, and this includes the time on earth after Y'SHUA returns, and perhaps very much longer than expected.

HE CREATED one day, then on the second day, then on the third day, then on the fourth day, then on the fifth day, then on the sixth day,
then HE RESTED and declared the seventh day set apart, sanctified, holy.
HE knows what a day is. (obviously and rhetorically)

Sounds like Sabbath keeping is in the cycle not in the time frame of our sun cycle.

 

[BobRyan]

I was reading again the "Book of Jubilees" and one of the interesting statements is that the Sabbath is kept by angels in heaven. My mind went to the question about how people will be keeping the Sabbath come the millennium and in heaven. Sounds like Sabbath keeping is in the cycle not in the time frame of our sun cycle.

Exodus 16 God says "tomorrow is the Sabbath"
He also tells them - they get no food from heaven on Sabbath.

It absolutely had to be a day as in the week day - as they knew it because they were not about to 'guess' some other less obvious meaning.

 

[visionary]

Exodus 16 God says "tomorrow is the Sabbath"
He also tells them - they get no food from heaven on Sabbath.

It absolutely had to be a day as in the week day - as they knew it because they were not about to 'guess' some other less obvious meaning.

Correct. What I was getting at is if we are on the planet X which has a 15 min night and day cycle. it would still be the seventh cycle. If we are in the courts of Heaven, it would be seven thousand years before the Seventh cycle or Sabbath would be. In other words, Sabbath is not tied to earth's cycle of time, except for those inhabiting the earth. So if we are space travelers, we could hope from one cycle to another depending where we are and the reference point "sun" upon which we count the seventh cycle for our Sabbath keeping.

 

[BobRyan]

Correct. What I was getting at is if we are on the planet X which has a 15 min night and day cycle. it would still be the seventh cycle. If we are in the courts of Heaven, it would be seven thousand years before the Seventh cycle or Sabbath would be. In other words, Sabbath is not tied to earth's cycle of time, except for those inhabiting the earth. So if we are space travelers, we could hope from one cycle to another depending where we are and the reference point "sun" upon which we count the seventh cycle for our Sabbath keeping.

Certainly that is one possible scenario.

Another one may be that God knows exactly how to put all inhabited planets in the same time frame. I suppose there are a wide range of options.

 

[visionary]

I have often thought of the keys of heaven. Our prophetic time table is on a Sabbath cycle, or the cycle of sevens. If they were chambers in a lock, seven day of the week, seventh week of the week, seventh month of the year, seventh year of years, seventh thousand years. .. inside every enlarging circle of cycles, at one point the seven of each would happen at the same time and the doors of heaven would unlock.

 

[visionary]

This is the Key to Heaven

Hebrews 4 - A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God

1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his (The Sabbath) rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it (by failing to Keep the Sabbath). 2 For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith (Keep the Sabbath in light of the Messiah). 3 Now we who have believed (and are in covenant with Yeshua) enter that rest (Keep the Sabbath in light of faith in the Passover Lamb of God, whose name is Yeshua), just as God has said,

"So I declared on oath in my anger, 'They (who break my Sabbath) shall never enter my (Sabbath) rest.' "And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world (God Himself kept the Sabbath in Genesis 1 and commanded we do to, the 4th Commandment). 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day (Saturday, not Sunday) in these words: "And on the seventh day Yahuah rested from all his work." 5 And again in the passage above he says, "They shall never enter my rest." (Referring to those disobedient to His Sabbath command)

6 It still remains that some (the remnant sons of God) will enter that (Sabbath) rest, and those who formerly had the gospel preached to them did not go in, because of their disobedience (to the Sabbath). 7 Therefore God, again (Paul repeats for emphasis), set a certain day, calling it Today (start keeping The Sabbath today!), when a long time later he spoke through David, as was said before: "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts. (against His Sabbath)" 8 For if Joshua (son of Nun) had given them (the Israelites) rest (from the curse of Adam when they entered The Promised Land of Canaan), God would not have spoken later about another day (the true Sabbath Rest is yet to come in the 7th Millennium).

9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His (You must keep the Sabbath just as God did on the 7th Day). 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest (by being obedient to The Sabbath), so that no one will fall (short of salvation and not enter Yahuah’s Rest) by following their example of disobedience (to The Sabbath).

 

[visionary]

Yeshua observed Sabbath but he also healed the sick and preached sermons on that day but I have yet to see a Christian call Him legalistic yet His followers are all day long.

Every Sabbath reminds us to “be still and know that [He] is God” (Psalm 46:10)

 

[visionary]

Ever heard the story of the Sabbath keepers traveling across the country. The story is told of a wagon train of Christians traveling on its way from St. Louis to Oregon. They observed the habit of stopping for the Sabbath during the autumn but as winter approached the group began to panic in fear they would not reach their destination before the snows began. A number of members of the group proposed they should quit the practice of stopping for the Sabbath and travel seven days a week. This caused an argument in the community until it was finally decided to divide the wagon train into two groups. One group would observe the Sabbath day as before and not travel. The other would press on.

Which group arrived in Oregon first? Of course—the ones who kept the Sabbath. Both the people and their horses were so rested by their Sabbath observance they could travel much more efficiently the other six days.

When I trust God and obey his commands, He provides. Yeshua takes our loaves and fishes that we offer Him, even though they are insufficient to feed the multitudes, and somehow miraculously and invisibly multiplies them. We can trust Him enough to stop.

 

[dfw69]

Yeshua observed Sabbath but he also healed the sick and preached sermons on that day but I have yet to see a Christian call Him legalistic yet His followers are all day long.

Every Sabbath reminds us to “be still and know that [He] is God” (Psalm 46:10)

To be fair we believe he fulfilled it for us ...he was (us) under the law

For me to usurp that work by returning to sabbath keeping makes me legalistic and reject the faith that Christ was my perfect sabbath keeper for me

 

[BobRyan]

I have often thought of the keys of heaven. Our prophetic time table is on a Sabbath cycle, or the cycle of sevens. If they were chambers in a lock, seven day of the week, seventh week of the week, seventh month of the year, seventh year of years, seventh thousand years. .. inside every enlarging circle of cycles, at one point the seven of each would happen at the same time and the doors of heaven would unlock.
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Well 6000 years of sin followed by a 1000 year period of "rest for the land" - a desolate earth - does work out pretty well.

 

[CherubRam]

is its ok for Gentiles or Christians to practice the Sabbath ?
and what kinda of things do you do on the Sabbath ?
i know the Sabbath starts after sunset on a Friday

The Sabbath is a sign, not only for the Jews, but for Christians as well. Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

 

[CherubRam]

Well 6000 years of sin followed by a 1000 year period of "rest for the land" - a desolate earth - does work out pretty well.

Isaiah 45:18
For this is what the Lord says— he who created the heavens, he is God; he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited— he says: “I am the Lord, and there is no other.

 

[Steve Petersen]

To be fair we believe he fulfilled it for us ...he was (us) under the law

For me to usurp that work by returning to sabbath keeping makes me legalistic and reject the faith that Christ was my perfect sabbath keeper for me

But Gentiles were never under the law to start with. How can he fulfill something on your behalf that you were never required to do anyway?

 

[visionary]

To be fair we believe he fulfilled it for us ...he was (us) under the law

For me to usurp that work by returning to sabbath keeping makes me legalistic and reject the faith that Christ was my perfect sabbath keeper for me

As legalistic as Yeshua Himself... not bad if you want to live in His kingdom.

 

[visionary]

There's no bondage in doing what God has commanded. Its not done to earn salvation but to show Him we love Him. If we love Him, we keep His commandments. Not living by what He says is considered lawlessness. The anti messiah is called lawless. It's not to say anybody is perfect but it's all in the striving in spirit and in truth.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

To be fair we believe he fulfilled it for us ...he was (us) under the law

For me to usurp that work by returning to sabbath keeping makes me legalistic and reject the faith that Christ was my perfect sabbath keeper for me

Do you follow the 10 Commandments or the 9 Commandments?...

 

[dfw69]

But Gentiles were never under the law to start with. How can he fulfill something on your behalf that you were never required to do anyway?

We were separated from god as well and needed to be redeemed

... the breaking of the law separated us as well ... we are all sinners we broke noachide law ...that is ... if noachide was indeed for Gentiles... which I doubt

for salvation was in becoming one with Israel, to enter into covenant with god ... we fell short for whatever reason

Because of Christ work ,we were grafted into the salvation of God

 

[dfw69]

Do you follow the 10 Commandments or the 9 Commandments?...

I follow new commandments

 

[dfw69]

As legalistic as Yeshua Himself... not bad if you want to live in His kingdom.

If I want to live in his kingdom I have to trust in his work, which was to fulfill all the commandments for me ...making a way to my father in heaven for me

 

[dfw69]

Do you follow the 10 Commandments or the 9 Commandments?...

Do you believe Gentiles should follow noachide 7 laws or the 10 commandments?