Thank you. Let's examine:
This is fine. Do you oppose this?
I see somewhat of total depravity and I am not exactly in the Arminian camp here. I believe that the excellency of the power is of God and not of us. But this power comes the treasure in earthen vessels w=that God gives to all men for salvation. This is the inward aspect of Gods work and where his word is heard. tis is the true Light that eightieth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9. So God draws and calls all men every where to spent and shines his light to reprove all sin on the earth since the beginning. This is the reason men are condemned , when they hate the light. Not that they are predestined to be damned . But only when they hate the light , then are they condemned as jesus said in john 3.
This is fine. I would just add that God chooses to save people by his own, free pleasure. Nothing in us inspires God to save. He saves out of free grace.
As far as nothing being in us. Yes Gods Light shines in men and the seed or word of God is sown on every soil, even to the ones who reject the word and harden their hearts and whom because of their unbelief the devil comes and blinds their minds and snatches away the word and inner witness replacing this with lies and confusion. God is not far from every one of us on the earth Acts 17, and that which may be known of God is manifest in all men Romans 1 KJV. This word or seed or Light is the truth that all men hold in unrighteousness. This is how God calls all
Do you think that Jesus paid for the sins of some people who will also pay for their own sins in hell?
Christ died for the sin of the whole world. So when a infant comes into the world at one day old. Did Christ die for them? i believe , yes he did, and his grace extends to them through his work on the cross. They are ALL saved, I mean every human that has been born has been saved at one day old at least by the grace of God through Christ. The free gift came upon all men ( and infants) unto justification of life, this free gift ( the seed or Light of Christ in the sprit) is only purchased by Christ work on the cross for our sin. paul speaks of this mystery in Romans 5.
If a person hates the light then they are condemned and will go to hell if they did in that state. In hell they will suffer damnation. They will never be able to pay for sin, there will be no time when they get out of hell having paid the debt, as scripture teaches.
This is a mix of right and wrong. We would affirm that God's saving grace cannot ultimately be resisted. But no Calvinist would say that "man's cooperation is not involved in this".
Yes some calvinist would say that. They act as if we had any part at all it would be works. Even faith if we are to believe and receive Christ they say would be works. Any time the word "we" is used in connection to salvation some would take issue. I have heard some say that God makes the killer kill and the devils to act it is all his work and part of his secret will. They act as if all things are of God even evil.and satan. These men are just the natural outflow of the heresy of calvinismm, they take it to its logical conclusion and danger.
We cooperate with God in our salvation by freely submitting to him, trusting him, and repenting of sin. Here's one place in which you seem to be mistaken about Calvinism.
No i say that all men do have to repent and believe the gospel and have faith. calvinism says you cannot do this or it is works. I have heard some say something to the effect that if you say you could believe thats a work.
But I believe that none could respond or believe anything unless God first revealed it to them. The first thing God does is to break men and convict them of sin, This is done by the light that lights all men all things that are reproved are man manifest by the light as paul taught. Then when they come to that light and are humbled they can be saved For God looks on a broken spirit and a humble and contrite heart.
Again, half right and half wrong. No Calvinist would say that the elect are saved "no matter what they do".
Yes they would I have met them, they may not be so plain in their speech as i was. But some say they can sin 24 7 and still be saved, and that it makes no difference. They act as if sin matters not and all out sins past present and future are already forgiven, so sin makes no difference. This is the kind of heresy that abounds all over.
Salvation is always contingent on repentance and faith. If the elect do not repent and believe and persist in repentant faith then they will not be saved.
Your view is not what some calvinist say. They would simply say that if a person fell into sin and continued to do it they were never saved. And they add more confusion to their view
You kindof understand Calvinism but I also see a lot of misunderstanding. This is typical of most people who reject it.
I had a feeling that if i put it in my own words you would say that. thats why I quoted fro your own writers. I could easily re write my answer considering carefully the words of the calvinist. But i don't believe i =got any of it wrong. You seem to avoid certain wording because it makes your views seem erroneous. But the truth is that many aspects of calvinism are erroneous.
the seriousness of this issue is that if there is a limited atonement and Christ did not doe for the sin of the whole world. Then you preach another gospel. and your good news is not good news to all men, but actually bad news for most of the world. that is a concerning aspect of the falsehood of Calvinism.
