Are there credible witnesses to the resurrection?

[miknik5]

no. what is your point?

My point is that you do not want to answer where the HOLY SPIRIT was before and after the LORD's crucifixion

John is a better witness and he wasn't even born again

 

[miknik5]

Alla27,

I do not believe that you should be allowed to witness if you do not believe that the father, the son and the Holy Spirit are ONE

I do not believe that you should be allowed to witness if you do not believe the divinity of CHRIST and somehow give a different understanding to HIS INCARNATION

I think if you deny these truths that your witnessing to others should not be allowed here on a Christian forum who holds to these TRUTHS as core and fundamental to the faith directed I and on JESUS as the ONE AND ONLY who came forth from GOD ...the visible image of the invisible GOD (GOD IS SPIRIT) the exact visible representation of HIS (invisble) being and the full radiance of HIS (invisible) GLORY..,for it pleased THE FSTHER that in HIM the fullness might dwell

 

[miknik5]

Alla27,

I do not believe that you believe that CHRIST came forth from GOD I believe that this is why you are having difficulty in answering my question as to where was the HOLY SPIRIT

Please don't continue to tell me that you and your husband are one because you did not come forth from your husband

 

[Alla27]

My point is that you do not want to answer where the HOLY SPIRIT was before and after the LORD's crucifixion

John is a better witness and he wasn't even born again

The Holy Ghost was with Jesus Christ. He was there. But I don't know specific spot. I thought you were asking me about this.

 

[Alla27]

Alla27,
I do not believe that you should be allowed to witness if you do not believe that the father, the son and the Holy Spirit are ONE

I do believe it. This is what the Bible claims. I believe this particular biblical claim.
But I want you to tell me what it means "they are one" but NOT according to you. What does it mean according to the Bible?

I do not believe that you should be allowed to witness if you do not believe the divinity of CHRIST and somehow give a different understanding to HIS INCARNATION

I believe in divinity of Christ.
His incarnation?! This word is NOT biblical. So, you made up "His incarnation".
Should you be allowed on this forum? JK, JK, JK

 

[Alla27]

Alla27,
Please don't continue to tell me that you and your husband are one because you did not come forth from your husband

Yes, we are one. We are one in faith, in love, in our goals, in purpose.
And until I explain it you can not know.
So, what is according to Christ "Father and I are one"?

 

[miknik5]

The Holy Ghost was with Jesus Christ. He was there. But I don't know specific spot. I thought you were asking me about this.

How come you don't know?

 

[miknik5]

I do believe it. This is what the Bible claims. I believe this particular biblical claim.
But I want you tell me what it means "they are one" but NOT according to you. What does it mean according to the Bible?

I believe in divinity of Christ.
His incarnation?! This word is NOT biblical. So, you made up "His incarnation".
Should you be allowed on this forum? JK, JK, JK

This is going to be an issue for you
The fact that you do not believe HE came in the flesh is an issue

That is the incarnation that the WORD was made flesh

That is an issue

But Not for me because I do believe it and I know it to be TRYTH

You shouldn't be here "Witnessing" if you do not believe THIS TRUTH

 

[Alla27]

This is going to be an issue for you
The fact that you do not believe HE came in the flesh is an issue

But Not for me

That's funny. I never said I don't believe this. Why are you making stuff up about my believes?

 

[Alla27]

How come you don't know?

I already answered. I do NOT know any revelation from God where God gives this specific info. I don't know specific spot/spots where the Holy Ghost was. But He was there with Christ to witness those important events, so He could testify the truth to all who want to know.

 

[miknik5]

Please don't wave goodbye to me. We shall see who will be leaving

 

[miknik5]

That's funny. I never said I don't believe this. Why are you making stuff up about my believes?

You said the incarnation is unbiblical

That because you do not understand

 

[miknik5]

Someone please report this person.

 

[Alla27]

You said the incarnation is unbiblical

That because you do not understand

Could you please show me word "incarnation". Book, chapter, verse. I will take my words back then. I did not even try to memorize the whole Bible. But I don't think I ever saw this word in the Bible.

 

[Alla27]

Please don't wave goodbye to me. We shall see who will be leaving

I was waving friendly Hello, not good bye.

 

[Root of Jesse]

In another thread it was claimed that there are multiple credible witnesses to the resurrection. I disagree. Basically we have the author of Mark, and he wrote many years after the supposed event. We don't even know who he was, and don't know what his intention was. Matthew, Luke and John come even later. They closely follow Mark's story, indeed they often just copy it, but diverge sharply on the resurrection. Paul writes earlier, but he appears to be talking about a spiritual resurrection. So no, I don't see any credible witnesses to the resurrection. If you think otherwise, who do you think was a credible witness to it?

Actually, Matthew wrote first, Mark next, Luke next, and John much later. We know that the author of Matthew was Matthew, that Mark wrote Mark, and Luke wrote Luke, and John wrote John. Paul didn't witness the resurrection, though he experienced it when he was unhorsed on the road to Damascus.
I know you don't see any credible witnesses, but many witnesses were written about. You don't get to define 2000 years later what a credible witness is or is not.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Earliest mss of Mark do not include the resurrection account. There is zero contemporary accounts of a resurrection, and oral tradition of a resurrection came about a century after Mark was written (Luke/Matthew copied Mark).

So, it's safe to say there are no credible witnesses to a "resurrection."

To the bolded, you have to prove that before you can have any credibility on the subject.
Regarding the 'earliest mss of Mark', why is it that people believe that the Aeneid is accurate, when the earliest mss we have of it is many centuries removed from the original? Same question for the Illiad, the Oddesy, and many other ancient Greek works...

 

[miknik5]

Could you please show me word "incarnation". Book, chapter, verse. I will take my words back then. I did not even try to memorize the whole Bible. But I don't think I ever saw this word in the Bible.

Could you please review the rules of this particular forum.

The fact that this is HE who came not by water only but by water and blood should have made you understand not only where the HOLY SPIRIT is but as well that HE came in the flesh

And if CHRIST were but a mere man there would have been NO OTHER WAY that HE could have come into the world but by flesh

But because it is noted "HE came in the flesh"....
It should be noted

 

[miknik5]

You do not believe that according to the flesh HE was the son of David but according to the SPIRIT. THE SON OF GOD

 

[Alla27]

Can any Christian on this forum show me that "incarnation" is biblical word? So, I could take my statement back.