Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

[stuart lawrence]

No. I am not saying of you follow the ten commandments that saves you. I am not saying that anyone is saved by following the ten commandments.

What I am saying is that to become saved you must ask Jesus for forgiveness of your sins, accept Jesus as your Lord and savior and to repent of your sins. I do not believe there is anyone who disagrees that is the way to salvation. Now, what does it mean to repent? To turn away from sin, to try not to sin, to love thy neighbor as thyself. Following the ten commandments is repentance. If you continue to lie you have not repented of lying If you continue to murder, you have not repented of killing. We are told in the bible that those who continue in sin are not saved, are we not?

You tell me then. Must we repent of our sins to be saved? And if so, what does it mean to repent of your sins?

Repenting of our sins (following tje ten commandments, among others) does not save us, although the bible teaches us repenting of our sins, turning from them, is required for Jesus to cleanse if of our sins.

Paul said:
Sinful passions in us are aroused by law when we live under it( rom7:5)
Why did he say that?

If I said to you God will condemn you to hell if you think of a pink rabbit, what's the first thought that will come into your head I you believe me?

Consequently. If you tell someone they cannot be saved/are condemned unless they obey the ten commandments, what's the first thought that will come into their head concerning the tenth commandment?

Can you reflect on this?

 

[Jim Langston]

I know exactly what you are trying to say:
Obeying the ten commandments does not save us. However, the christian must live as God desires them to. Therefore they must follow/ obey the ten commandments.
This goes to the heart of the problem.
It is impossible to state salvation hinges on obeying the ten commandments without actually placing a person under the law. But I doubt you are prepared to accept it.
I grew up in a church that preached Jesus died for your sins, the need to be born again and the baptism of the holy spirit. It was stressed the christian must obey Gods laws/ ref he ten commandments.
I could perfectly obey the law on the outside. I even tithed my money when I was young. At school I was laughed at for being a goody goody.
But there was a problem you see. I could not obey the ten commandments on the inside. The law only God knew if i broke. Now it was preached tv he law must be obeyed, christians had to live according to Gods principals/laws. I couldn't differentiate between the laws everyone could see obeyed on the outside, and law I could not obey on the inside. So what was I to do? I knew my sin acutely, and it hurt me. Now what do I do? I am failing to obey the ten commandments. According to what was preached I couldn't expect to go to heaven if I did not obey them. The stipulation was. Obey the law if you want to avoid hell. I was scared stiff, believe me. If even a fleeting impure thought came to me shock horror and fear came over me.
I had been a happy child and felt alive before I responded to an altar call, but not afterwards, for now I knew what sin was, for the law had been placed in my most inward parts.
Once I had felt alive without the law, but when the commandment came sin( consciousness) sprang to life and i died ( felt condemned) all manner of concupiscence was aroused me now I knew coveting was sin. The commandment I believed was ordained to give me life if I obeyed it, instead brought death( condemnation ) for I could not keep it. Sin, through the law brought condemnation to me. Yet I knew the problem was not the holy and righteous law of God but my sin.
Please read rom7:7-11 KJV. Paul is describing what happened to him when the law came to him, when he came of age to make a commitment to God as a young pharisee.
I had been raisedi in a christian church, and trued to attain heaven as Paul the pharisee tried to attain it, and i got the same result he got, as do so many others tragically.
Some people stress you must obey the ten commandments if you want to get to heaven, then excuse breaking them on the inside. I could not do that, for me it would have been hypocrisy
Paul wrote:
Fo ref sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace rom6:14

Which law fo you think he was referring to?
Not the legalistic law, that's for sure. Paul the pharisee could perfectly obey that law as a pharisee when he lived under a law of righteousness

Again, I never said "obey" the ten commandments. That is the same as "keep" the ten commandments. We, as men born of sin can do neither. We will always fail. I said "follow". We are new creatures. As many have pointed out, as Christians we have a desire to follow them. That is what I am talking about. This same thing everyone keeps harping on about not being under the law but as christians we are changed and desire to follow God's word.

It is not, oh, I broke one of these commandments now I'm going to hell, it is oh, I broke one of these commandments, that was wring of me, please forgive me Jesus, thank you for forgiving me. I'll try to do better. It is not trying to be perfect, although if you can it would be great
It is about where all over the new testament we are told thatbpeopme who continue to live in sin will not enter the kingdom of God.

If you think saying the words "Jesus, forgive me of my sins, please save me" is going to get you into heaven without you trying to live a righous life you are sadly mistaken. Jesus will say depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Again, I never said "obey" the ten commandments. That is the same as "keep" the ten commandments. We, as men born of sin can do neither. We will always fail. I said "follow". We are new creatures. As many have pointed out, as Christians we have a desire to follow them. That is what I am talking about. This same thing everyone keeps harping on about not being under the law but as christians we are changed and desire to follow God's word.

It is not, oh, I broke one of these commandments now I'm going to hell, it is oh, I broke one of these commandments, that was wring of me, please forgive me Jesus, thank you for forgiving me. I'll try to do better. It is not trying to be perfect, although if you can it would be great
It is about where all over the new testament we are told thatbpeopme who continue to live in sin will not enter the kingdom of God.

If you think saying the words "Jesus, forgive me of my sins, please save me" is going to get you into heaven without you trying to live a righous life you are sadly mistaken. Jesus will say depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you.

Correct me if i am wrong. But I am sure your minister has never explained to you the core foundation on which the new covenant stands hinges on TWO core facts. One without the other equals no new covenant.
The first part cuts out the licence to sin. You only get a saviour because the first has happened.

If you go to a true fundamentalist church the bible is the bottom line and the innerant word of God. Yo must accept it all

Sin is the transgression/ breaking of the law 1john 3:4

Paul states:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified/ saved in Gods sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

But now apart from law the righteousness of God has been made known. next verse

 

[stuart lawrence]

Again, I never said "obey" the ten commandments. That is the same as "keep" the ten commandments. We, as men born of sin can do neither. We will always fail. I said "follow". We are new creatures. As many have pointed out, as Christians we have a desire to follow them. That is what I am talking about. This same thing everyone keeps harping on about not being under the law but as christians we are changed and desire to follow God's word.

It is not, oh, I broke one of these commandments now I'm going to hell, it is oh, I broke one of these commandments, that was wring of me, please forgive me Jesus, thank you for forgiving me. I'll try to do better. It is not trying to be perfect, although if you can it would be great
It is about where all over the new testament we are told thatbpeopme who continue to live in sin will not enter the kingdom of God.

If you think saying the words "Jesus, forgive me of my sins, please save me" is going to get you into heaven without you trying to live a righous life you are sadly mistaken. Jesus will say depart from me you worker of iniquity, I never knew you.

So if you fail to observe the law you commit sin.

Yet Paul states no one will be justified/ declared righteous/ accepted by God by observing the law

So is your bottom line the innerant word of God?

 

[Jim Langston]

Correct me if i am wrong. But I am sure your minister has never explained to you the core foundation on which the new covenant stands hinges on TWO core facts. One without the other equals no new covenant.
The first part cuts out the licence to sin. You only get a saviour because the first has happened.

If you go to a true fundamentalist church the bible is the bottom line and the innerant word of God. Yo must accept it all

Sin is the transgression/ breaking of the law 1john 3:4

Paul states:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous/ justified/ saved in Gods sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin rom3:20

But now apart from law the righteousness of God has been made known. next verse

I covered this before in previous posts, but I will repeat it here. The law that Paul is talking about is not the ten commandments. The law Paul is tslking about is the mosaic law, such as circumcision. How do we know this? Let's study Galations 5 where Paul is talking about the law we are not under...

Galations 5
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Right there, "the whole law". That is the law we are not under. But what is the whole law. Keep reading...

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. That is what we are left with. Not the mosaic law of circumcision, sin sacrifices, tithing, etc... We are simply to love thy neighbor as thyself.

Let's read on, the good part is coming.

6 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Woah! Did you see that? that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In the exact same chapter Paul says we are not under the law he tells us if we do the works of the flesh, adultery, fornications, etc... we won't be saved. So, right there Paul is saying if you continue to live in sin you will not be saved. Adultery, fornication, murders, apparently those are not the law Paul was talking about, was it? Because we know thou shalt not kill is one of the ten commandments. Thou shalt not commit adultery is one of the ten commandments. Yet here he says, right after ge says we are not under the law, that we must not kill, must not commit adultery, etc...

I invite you to study Galations 5, all of it. Look at what Paul is actually talking about. Paul says the law is now Love thy neighbor as thyself and we know that the ten commandments are simply this.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I covered this before in previous posts, but I will repeat it here. The law that Paul is talking about is not the ten commandments. The law Paul is tslking about is the mosaic law, such as circumcision. How do we know this? Let's study Galations 5 where Paul is talking about the law we are not under...

Galations 5
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Right there, "the whole law". That is the law we are not under. But what is the whole law. Keep reading...

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. That is what we are left with. Not the mosaic law of circumcision, sin sacrifices, tithing, etc... We are simply to love thy neighbor as thyself.

Let's read on, the good part is coming.

6 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Woah! Did you see that? that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In the exact same chapter Paul says we are not under the law he tells us if we do the works of the flesh, adultery, fornications, etc... we won't be saved. So, right there Paul is saying if you continue to live in sin you will not be saved. Adultery, fornication, murders, apparently those are not the law Paul was talking about, was it? Because we know thou shalt not kill is one of the ten commandments. Thou shalt not commit adultery is one of the ten commandments. Yet here he says, right after ge says we are not under the law, that we must not kill, must not commit adultery, etc...

I invite you to study Galations 5, all of it. Look at what Paul is actually talking about. Paul says the law is now Love thy neighbor as thyself and we know that the ten commandments are simply this.

I've read Galatians many times. And I agree, we are to follow after the holy spirit.
However, you are ignoring the core of Paul's message of grace. You have to get the basics right first. Without a true foundation the house collapses.

The bible tell us sin is failing to observe the law.

Paul tells us no one will be declared righteous/ justified/ accepted by God by observing the law.

A true fundamentalist has to accept it. They cant ignore it, the bible is the innerant word of God

 

[stuart lawrence]

I covered this before in previous posts, but I will repeat it here. The law that Paul is talking about is not the ten commandments. The law Paul is tslking about is the mosaic law, such as circumcision. How do we know this? Let's study Galations 5 where Paul is talking about the law we are not under...

Galations 5
1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Right there, "the whole law". That is the law we are not under. But what is the whole law. Keep reading...

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. That is what we are left with. Not the mosaic law of circumcision, sin sacrifices, tithing, etc... We are simply to love thy neighbor as thyself.

Let's read on, the good part is coming.

6 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Woah! Did you see that? that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

In the exact same chapter Paul says we are not under the law he tells us if we do the works of the flesh, adultery, fornications, etc... we won't be saved. So, right there Paul is saying if you continue to live in sin you will not be saved. Adultery, fornication, murders, apparently those are not the law Paul was talking about, was it? Because we know thou shalt not kill is one of the ten commandments. Thou shalt not commit adultery is one of the ten commandments. Yet here he says, right after ge says we are not under the law, that we must not kill, must not commit adultery, etc...

I invite you to study Galations 5, all of it. Look at what Paul is actually talking about. Paul says the law is now Love thy neighbor as thyself and we know that the ten commandments are simply this.

Let me tell you once more. When Paul stresses the christian is not under law he includes the ten commandments in that. When Paul lived under law concerning those commands he became a worse sinner.
Paul could perfectly obey the legalistic law, he didn't need a saviour from sin concerning those laws.
So when he states you have a righteousness apart from law he means it all.
Have a read of romans 7, it is all about the moral law/ ten commandments

 

[stuart lawrence]

If Jesus died at Calvary to give us a righteousness apart from the mosaic law, but not the ten commandments, how does his sacrifice benefit gentiles? They were never under the mosaic law in the first place

 

[1John2:4]

You know, there was a group of people in Jesus day That stressed the law must be obeyed. They knew the literal words of the then scriptures off by heart. They attended all the synagogue / church meetings. They tithed down to their last mint dill and cumun. They did good deeds that everyone could see. They would not gave gotten drunk, used foul language, had extra marital affairs, nor smoked I imagine if smoking had then been invented. They even laid flowers on the graves of the prophets murdered by their forefathers and said. We would never have acted as they did. But it was all to no avail. Jesus said they did not even know his father.
You see, Jesus reserved his harshest words for these people, for they did not practice what they preached/ demanded of others

ץ Tsadde
137 Righteous are You, O Lord,
And upright are Your judgments.
138 Your testimonies, which You have commanded,
Are righteous and very faithful.
139 My zeal has consumed me,
Because my enemies have forgotten Your words.
140 Your word is very pure;
Therefore Your servant loves it.
141 I am small and despised,
Yet I do not forget Your precepts.
142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.
143 Trouble and anguish have overtaken me,
Yet Your commandments are my delights.
144 The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting;
Give me understanding, and I shall live.

 

[stuart lawrence]

ץ Tsadde
137 Righteous are You, O Lord,
And upright are Your judgments.
138 Your testimonies, which You have commanded,
Are righteous and very faithful.
139 My zeal has consumed me,
Because my enemies have forgotten Your words.
140 Your word is very pure;
Therefore Your servant loves it.
141 I am small and despised,
Yet I do not forget Your precepts.
142 Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
And Your law is truth.
143 Trouble and anguish have overtaken me,
Yet Your commandments are my delights.
144 The righteousness of Your testimonies is everlasting;
Give me understanding, and I shall live.

You didn't tell me if you delight in obeying the law that relates to the inner man, the law only you and God know if you break it. You didn't say if you meditate on it and fully comply with it. The law comes as a composite whole. You cant pick and choose which parts to obey and to excuse what you fail to obey:

Whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it
James 2:10

Do you ever stumble, or are you perfect?

 

[1John2:4]

You didn't tell me if you delight in obeying the law that relates to the inner man, the law only you and God know if you break it. You didn't say if you meditate on it and fully comply with it. The law comes as a composite whole. You cant pick and choose which parts to obey and to excuse what you fail to obey:

Whoever keeps the whole law yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it
James 2:10

Do you ever stumble, or are you perfect?

ק Qoph
145 I cry out with my whole heart;
Hear me, O Lord!
I will keep Your statutes.
146 I cry out to You;
Save me, and I will keep Your testimonies.
147 I rise before the dawning of the morning,
And cry for help;
I hope in Your word.
148 My eyes are awake through thenight watches,
That I may meditate on Your word.
149 Hear my voice according to Your lovingkindness;
O Lord, revive me according to Your justice.
150 They draw near who follow after wickedness;
They are far from Your law.
151 You are near, O Lord,
And all Your commandments aretruth.
152 Concerning Your testimonies,
I have known of old that You have founded them forever.

 

[Jim Langston]

Paul clearly says "they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" right after he says we are not under the law. Those are no uncertain terms. It is direct, it is exact, it is purposeful. "but paul says we are not under the law". It is obvious, then, that if you remove "they which do such rhings shall not inherit the kingdom of God" you are not understanding what Paul means by we are not under the law.

Jesus says we must love our neighbors as ourselves to inherit eternal life. No uncertain terms.

Jesus says we must follow the commandments to inherit eternal life. No uncertain terms.

"But Paul says we are not under the law" Paul also said we must love our neighbors as ourselves. No uncertain terms.

When you remove that from the bible what does revelation say will happen to someone who removed words from the bible?

We can not pick and choose what parts of the bible to believe, there are no "but"s... there are only ands.

There is a way unto a man that seems right but the ends thereof are the ways of death.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Paul clearly says "they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God" right after he says we are not under the law. Those are no uncertain terms. It is direct, it is exact, it is purposeful. "but paul says we are not under the law". It is obvious, then, that if you remove "they which do such rhings shall not inherit the kingdom of God" you are not understanding what Paul means by we are not under the law.

Jesus says we must love our neighbors as ourselves to inherit eternal life. No uncertain terms.

Jesus says we must follow the commandments to inherit eternal life. No uncertain terms.

"But Paul says we are not under the law" Paul also said we must love our neighbors as ourselves. No uncertain terms.

When you remove that from the bible what does revelation say will happen to someone who removed words from the bible?

We can not pick and choose what parts of the bible to believe, there are no "but"s... there are only ands.

There is a way unto a man that seems right but the ends thereof are the ways of death.

I see you yet again have no response to Paul's repeated statements that the christian has no righteousness/justification before God of observing the law. Perhaps you would like the core of Paul's message to be removed from the bible?
Now which covenant was in operation when Christ walked this earth?
Christ could hardly tell the young man his righteousness before God was Jesus shed blood at Calvary could he.
Galatians 5. Many different people attend all church denominations, now as many different people did in Paul's day. Some go who are not fully committed to God, they must be warned of the consequences of the result of half heartedness. Others are fully committed to God, and therefore rejoice in Paul's message of grace.
The half hearted will never understand grace. The fully committed can accept the message:

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness/acceptance could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing Gal 2:21


Some of course just believe what they are taught from the pulpit. I grew up in a church that said it stop full square on the inerrant bible. The church prided itself it was the leading light among the towns churches for spiritual truth. I believed it when i was young.
When I finally read the NT for myself beyond the gospels I was amazed at much of what I read. That church had not preached the full truth of scripture concerning the gospel message. They never preached the christian has no righteousness of observing the law. They ignored that, as you do

 

[Jim Langston]

I see you yet again have no response to Paul's repeated statements that the christian has no righteousness/justification before God of observing the law. Perhaps you would like the core of Paul's message to be removed from the bible?
Now which covenant was in operation when Christ walked this earth?
Christ could hardly tell the young man his righteousness before God was Jesus shed blood at Calvary could he.
Galatians 5. Many different people attend all church denominations, now as many different people did in Paul's day. Some go who are not fully committed to God, they must be warned of the consequences of the result of half heartedness. Others are fully committed to God, and therefore rejoice in Paul's message of grace.
The half hearted will never understand grace. The fully committed can accept the message:

I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness/acceptance could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing Gal 2:21


Some of course just believe what they are taught from the pulpit. I grew up in a church that said it stop full square on the inerrant bible. The church prided itself it was the leading light among the towns churches for spiritual truth. I believed it when i was young.
When I finally read the NT for myself beyond the gospels I was amazed at much of what I read. That church had not preached the full truth of scripture concerning the gospel message. They never preached the christian has no righteousness of observing the law. They ignored that, as you do

I have yet to see you quote scripture where Paul says this for me to answer to. It is obvious to me that you misinterpreted something Paul said to mean this, but without the specific scripture to discuss I have no way of knowing.

Quote the scripture where Paul says this and we can study the scripture.

Edit: And, no, I don't mean for you to post a page full of scripture and expect me to read it all and understand what it is you are trying to point out. Post the *one verse* where Paul says this, then we can study the context.

Pasting pages full of scripture does nothing if you don't explain why you are posting it and what your reasoning is from reading it. Look at my example in Galations 5. I posted scriptures, explained what I thought it mean, posted some more, etc...

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have yet to see you quote scripture where Paul says this for me to answer to. It is obvious to me that you misinterpreted something Paul said to mean this, but without the specific scripture to discuss I have no way of knowing.

Quote the scripture where Paul says this and we can study the scripture.

Edit: And, no, I don't mean for you to post a page full of scripture and expect me to read it all and understand what it is you are trying to point out. Post the *one verse* where Paul says this, then we can study the context.

Pasting pages full of scripture does nothing if you don't explain why you are posting it and what your reasoning is from reading it. Look at my example in Galations 5. I posted scriptures, explained what I thought it mean, posted some more, etc...

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20

For we maintain a man is justified / accepted by faith, APART from observing the law verse28
For if righteousness/ acceptance could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing gal2:21

All who RELY on observing the law are under a curse. For it I written. Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law Gal3:10

We who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners know that a man is not justified/accepted by observing the law Gal2:15&16

Sin is transgression of the law 1john3:4

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness /justification/ acceptance for everyone who believeth rom 10:4

But now APART from law the righteousness of God has been made known.
Rom3:21

Sin is the transgression of the law 1 john3:4

 

[stuart lawrence]

Either Jesus died for all a believers sins at Calvary, or he died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion. It has to be one or the other.
If Jesus only died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion, you MUST as a Christian live under a law of righteousness. If that is true, you must dismiss half the books of the NT

Martin Lloyd Jones once said:

I am assured I am preaching the true Gospel, when I am accused of preaching a licence to sin

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

I listened to a pastor last night on Sirius XM that in order to purify our souls and see Heaven we had to obey all the time. Or repent , which is in keeping with obedience, when we failed.


If you want to see Heaven you have to obey the scriptures so as to purify your soul.

Work at it!

 

[Jim Langston]

"Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20"

I take this as the Mosaic law, not loving our neighbors as ourselves/ten commandments. As Paul said right after saying we are not under the law Paul said we must love our neighbors as ourselves and listed things including adultery, murder, etc... that if we continue to do we will not inherit the kingdom of God.

For we maintain a man is justified / accepted by faith, APART from observing the law verse28

Again mosaic law.

For if righteousness/ acceptance could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing gal2:21

mosaic law

All who RELY on observing the law are under a curse. For it I written. Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law Gal3:10

mosaic law

We who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners know that a man is not justified/accepted by observing the law Gal2:15&16

mosaic law

Sin is transgression of the law 1john3:4

mosaic law

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness /justification/ acceptance for everyone who believeth rom 10:4

mosaic law

But now APART from law the righteousness of God has been made known.
Rom3:21

mosaic law

Sin is the transgression of the law 1 john3:4

mosaic law.

I already stated and showed where after Paul says we are nit under the law he says the law is fullfilled in loving our neighbors as ourselves, which if we don't do we will not enter the kingdom of God. So every time you repeat "we are not under the law" I will repeat "the mosaic law" and the mosaic law does not cover loving our neighbors as our selves/the commandments.

 

[Jim Langston]

Either Jesus died for all a believers sins at Calvary, or he died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion. It has to be one or the other.
If Jesus only died to wipe the slate clean at the point of conversion, you MUST as a Christian live under a law of righteousness. If that is true, you must dismiss half the books of the NT

Martin Lloyd Jones once said:

I am assured I am preaching the true Gospel, when I am accused of preaching a licence to sin

And the bible warns about those that teach lawlessness. lawlessness.

 

[stuart lawrence]

"Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather through the law we become conscious of sin
Rom3:20"

I take this as the Mosaic law, not loving our neighbors as ourselves/ten commandments. As Paul said right after saying we are not under the law Paul said we must love our neighbors as ourselves and listed things including adultery, murder, etc... that if we continue to do we will not inherit the kingdom of God.

For we maintain a man is justified / accepted by faith, APART from observing the law verse28

Again mosaic law.

For if righteousness/ acceptance could be gained through the law Christ died for nothing gal2:21

mosaic law

All who RELY on observing the law are under a curse. For it I written. Cursed is everyone v does not continue to do everything written in the book of the law Gal3:10

mosaic law

We who are Jews by birth and not gentile sinners know that a man is not justified/accepted by observing the law Gal2:15&16

mosaic law

Sin is transgression of the law 1john3:4

mosaic law

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness /justification/ acceptance for everyone who believeth rom 10:4

mosaic law

But y APART from law the righteousness of God has been made known.
Rom3:21

mosaic law

Sin is the transgression of the law 1 john3:4

mosaic law.

I already stated and showed where after Paul says we are nit under the law he says the law is fullfilled in loving our neighbors as ourselves, which if we don't do we will not enter the kingdom of God. So every time you repeat "we are not under the law" I will repeat "the mosaic law" and the mosaic law does not cover loving our neighbors as our selves/the commandments.

Your response is easily repudiated by scripture:

As for zeal, persecuting the church, as for legalistic righteousness, faultless
Phil 3:6

You see, Paul could be righteous under the mosaic law/ legalistic law for he faultlessly obeyed it. So concerning that law he would not state you can have no righteousness concerning that law would he. You have made a serious error.
The law Paul could not be righteous under was the moral law/ ten commandments, and it is the moral law that no one can be righteous under in Gods sight.
The Pharisees of Jesus day were the sane. They faultlessly obeyed the legalistic law, but on the inside were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything unclean.
Sadly, you will not listen even to the scripture. I grew up in churches you go to now. I know how desperately people cling to a performance based Christianity. It is a terribly warped sense of God. For you believe God is less loving to his children than a loving parent is to their child. If a child errs, does a loving parent threaten to throw them out of the family home? The child comes and asks their parents forgiveness, for they will have no rest or peace until they do so. They do not ask their parents forgiveness believing I they do not they will be thrown out of the home