Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon
AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"
BobRyan said:
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Perpetual on TWO cycles - the weekly AND the monthly cycle - as stated 'in the text'
Open Heart said:
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Perpetual as in all the time. Sabbath to Sabbath means all the days in between just as 1;00 to 4:00 means all the time in between.
Which would be total nonsense as "from 1:00pm to 4:00pm
AND FROM 2:00pm to 3:00pm" -- by carefully glossing over the detail "from new moon to new moon
AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath" as clearly identifying TWO cycles - not one constant ... you get to the never-seen-in-the-Bible idea that "REMAIN" is to be wrenched into "from new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind COME BEFORE Me to worship". -- ( as if the Bible ever used such a back flip.)
Even your own fellow pro-sunday scholars admit to this being "two cycles" and not "one idea of -- REMAIN"
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Isaiah 66:23
Jamieson Fausset Brown
23. Literally, "As often as the new moon (shall be) in its own new moon," that is, every month (
Zec 14:16).
Sabbath--which is therefore perpetually obligatory on earth.
all flesh-- (
Ps 65:2; 72:11).
before me--at Jerusalem (
Jer 3:16, 17).
http://www.studylight.org/com/jfb/view.cgi?book=isa&chapter=066
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Matthew Henry Isaiah 66:23
6. That the public worship of God in religious assemblies shall be carefully and constantly attended upon by all that are thus brought
as an offering to the Lord, Isaiah 66:23. This is described in expressions suited to the Old-Testament dispensation, to show that though the ceremonial law should be abolished, and the temple service should come to an end, yet God
should be still as regularly, constantly, and acceptably worshipped as ever. Heretofore only Jews went up to appear before God, and they were bound to attend
only three times a year, and the males only; but
now all flesh, Gentiles as well as Jews, women as well as men, shall
come and worship before God, in his presence, though not in his temple at Jerusalem, but in religious assemblies dispersed all the world over, which shall be to them as the tabernacle of meeting was to the Jews.
God will in them record his name, and, though but two or three come together, he will be among them, will meet them, and bless them. And
they shall have the benefit of these holy convocations frequently, every new moon and every Sabbath, not, as formerly, at the three annual feasts only.
Of course they have to admit that this is "
two cycles" and not "one idea of REMAIN all the time before the LORD" -- because the Bible already uses that form.
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Of course they have to admit that this is "
two cycles" -- and not "one idea of REMAIN all the time before the LORD" -- because the Bible already uses that form.
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1. It shows that OT authors and readers had the concept of 7th day Sabbath applicable to "all mankind" in Is 66:23.
2. Reading the text we have admit that this Sabbath observance will be binding for all mankind for all of eternity even after the cross.
3. Is 56 - (same book, same author) is affirming gentiles who keep the Sabbath - as honoring God.
4. It is only when the second coming happens and the New Earth and New Heavens are established in Rev 21 that all the wicked have perished and so "All mankind" will be worshiping God, all will be Christians, all will be keeping the Sabbath not just the "Remnant" or "Israel" -- the "FEW" of Matt 7 keeping it on earth as Christians are by far the minority in this world. And of course at the second coming the man-denominations of Christianity become one united group.
5. And of course while the "new moon" is a physical "event" that takes place on a cycle - God's Holy "Sabbath" is a "practice" a "convention" and "observance" not a physical cycle in the heavens - so to worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" would require that "convention" to still exist.
This is true no matter if one is pro-Sunday or not.
I think all sides can see this point.
This post seems to be taken from a previous discussion, so it's like stepping into a room to hear only a portion of a larger exchange.
Then use the information to address the 5 points in the OP or do you just agree with them -- with no comment?
However, I'll add my thoughts to it. The observance is regarding the Millenium, with the heavenly Jerusalem being (visibly) above the earthly Jerusalem.
In Revelation 20 and 21 that happens after the 1000 years - after the millennium is over.
The point is that it is certainly after the cross and it is certainly for all eternity and it is certainly all mankind in complete harmony, in complete unity of worship to the One True God.
And that only happens after the 1000 years have ended.
The people still of flesh bodies will by contrast be active with daily life and required to attend the restored and glorious earthly Temple building and see the visible glorified LORD Jesus Christ sitting on his earthly throne and worship Him on the appointed day from New Moon to New Moon which refers to a particular yearly Jewish Feast Day
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1. New moons happen every month - there is no "yearly new moon" in Leviticus 23.
2. There is nothing in Isaiah 66 or Rev 20-21 about 'still have flesh bodies - or don't still have them".
,.. I suspect that it refers to "Rosh HaShanah" which is the commemoration of the creation of Adam
Rosh HaShanah is the feast of trumpets - 10 days of awe just before the great Day of Atonement - nothing of that sort going on in Isaiah 66 New Earth or in Rev 20 or Revelation 21.
And also the command is that all people attend from week to week.
From "Sabbath to Sabbath" - because it is a day of holy convocation
So there is God's own Genesis 1-2:3 weekly cycle with His own "Holy Day of the LORD" Isaiah 58:13 day which is a "day of holy convocation" Leviticus 23:2-4.
And there is also the monthly cycle with a day of holy convocation - from new moon to new moon.
All the other "details" you mention are logistics none-too-big for God - and not at all in the texts.[/quote]
