For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[Bob S]

Notice how the NT text comes back repeatedly to this point that the TEN Commandments - the "Commandments of God" are the moral law of God that is binding on all Christians.

[/QUOTE]The commandments of God to Israel included the other 603 commandments . I don't agree with the messianic movement, but at least I respect them for recognizing this fact and are trying to observe them the beat they can. SDAs merely make vain excuses.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Notice how the NT text comes back repeatedly to this point that the TEN Commandments - the "Commandments of God" are the moral law of God that is binding on all Christians.

Or, moreso,
who hopes to be pure as HE is PURE,
and who is the faithful son, the one who DOES the WORD of HIS FATHER,
or the one who does not the WORD of HIS FATHER ? (without even considering if it is , as if "LAW" ?)
i.e. who wants to be called by YHWH a "good and faithful son" ?

 

[W2L]

Perhaps not.
The test to find out is if he disagrees with some sda sayings or doctrines or beliefs, and if this is because of what YHWH has revealed to him in SCRIPTURE.

A lot of posters refuse to find out what YHWH'S WORD SAYS AT ALL, about anything. They trust man instead of YHWH and don't want to shake the boat they're in.
IF someone trusts YHWH, they test everything and won't accept it even if Peter or Paul or an Angel tells them it, if it differs from YHWH'S WORD REVEALED . Even little children can tell, according to YHWH'S WORD and HIS GOOD PLEASURE ! (As Y'SHUA SAYS)

Sure. I'm a one man denomination bro. I use to feel bad about it, but after hearing all the political and denominational discord on CF, I actually delight to be so liberated. Not one person can rightly judge me either, not about this particular thing anyway, because they cant even agree with each other on a denomination or political party.

 

[W2L]

Or, moreso,
who hopes to be pure as HE is PURE,
and who is the faithful son, the one who DOES the WORD of HIS FATHER,
or the one who does not the WORD of HIS FATHER ? (without even considering if it is , as if "LAW" ?)
i.e. who wants to be called by YHWH a "good and faithful son" ?

I'm not disobeying God. I obey Romans 14 and Colossians 2

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm not disobeying God. I obey Romans 14 and Colossians 2

I think you willingly obey all of YHWH'S WORD that you know.

 

[W2L]

I think you willingly obey all of YHWH'S WORD that you know.

How do you know, that I don't know, more than you?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How do you know, that I don't know, more than you?

There's no competition here.

 

[W2L]

There's no competition here.

I know that and agree, but you seemed to suggest I could obey more, if I knew more, so I had to ask.

So how do you know?

 

[W2L]

You made the assertion brother yeshuaslavejeff. Now please answer the question.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I know, but you seemed to suggest I could obey more, if I knew more, so I had to ask.

So how do you know?

Sorry if you took that implication.
I stated only what I believe is true- that you obey YHWH / YHWH'S WORD as much as you know .
Obeying 'more' than you know happens sometimes (like little children delightedly and whole-heartedly with big wide open eyes joyously leaping around and around their father while not even 'knowing' but just enjoying being in his presence with him) , but is not what I was referring to.
i.e. everyone who learns more, by revelation and at the same time knowing experientially, from YHWH ABBA,
obeys more after that 'more maturely' and/ or more 'consciously' than they did
before it was revealed to them.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You made the assertion brother yeshuaslavejeff. Now please answer the question.

hahaha, who complained earlier about being 'rushed'....
no worries !

 

[W2L]

hahaha, who complained earlier about being 'rushed'....
no worries !

Ha! that's when you and brother BobR were double teaming against me and posts were coming too fast to see let alone answer. Its just me and you now, and posts are coming at a nice respectable pace.

So how do you know?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm not disobeying God. I obey Romans 14 and Colossians 2

oh, looking back at the post you quoted,
no one said you were disobeying God,
but if you get picky and say you obey Romans 14 and Colossians 2
it might easily be proven that you don't.
"MIGHT".... if you don't.
"IF"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Ha! that's when you and brother BobR was double teeming against me and posts were coming too fast to see let alone answer. Its just me and you now, and posts are coming at a nice respectable pace.

So how do you know?

I paid no attention to other posters replying to your posts.
There was thus no double teaming ,
nor was I against you.
I don't presume to know that he was either.

 

[W2L]

Sorry if you took that implication.
I stated only what I believe is true- that you obey YHWH / YHWH'S WORD as much as you know .
Obeying 'more' than you know happens sometimes (like little children delightedly and whole-heartedly with big wide open eyes joyously leaping around and around their father while not even 'knowing' but just enjoying being in his presence with him) , but is not what I was referring to.
i.e. everyone who learns more, by revelation and at the same time knowing experientially, from YHWH ABBA,
obeys more after that 'more maturely' and/ or more 'consciously' than they did
before it was revealed to them.

Sorry but I had to ask that difficult question. Every denomination thinks they have all the answers, an it saddens me.

 

[W2L]

oh, looking back at the post you quoted,
no one said you were disobeying God,
but if you get picky and say you obey Romans 14 and Colossians 2
it might easily be proven that you don't.
"MIGHT".... if you don't.
"IF"

How? By giving my opinion about Sabbath? That's not wrong. Paul only rebukes judging and despising each other, not giving opinion. I would agree its not Good to start Sabbath threads that judge others, but I didn't start such a thread

 

[W2L]

I paid no attention to other posters replying to your posts.
There was thus no double teaming ,
nor was I against you.
I don't presume to know that he was either.

I'm sure you been in the fray before, and know what its like.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How? By giving my opinion about Sabbath? That's not wrong. Paul only rebukes judging and despising each other, not giving opinion. I would agree its not Good to start Sabbath threads that judge others, but I didn't start such a thread

As far as I recall, which is not very far - just a post at a time sometimes...
I didn't see nor reply to yours nor anyone's opinion on the Sabbath in the post you replied to. (even though I just noticed that's in the title of the thread..... )

 

[ScottA]

Is 66:23 "From new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all MANKIND come before Me to worship"





Which would be total nonsense as "from 1:00pm to 4:00pm AND FROM 2:00pm to 3:00pm" -- by carefully glossing over the detail "from new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath" as clearly identifying TWO cycles - not one constant ... you get to the never-seen-in-the-Bible idea that "REMAIN" is to be wrenched into "from new moon to new moon AND FROM Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind COME BEFORE Me to worship". -- ( as if the Bible ever used such a back flip.)

Even your own fellow pro-sunday scholars admit to this being "two cycles" and not "one idea of -- REMAIN"






Of course they have to admit that this is "two cycles" and not "one idea of REMAIN all the time before the LORD" -- because the Bible already uses that form.

...

1. It shows that OT authors and readers had the concept of 7th day Sabbath applicable to "all mankind" in Is 66:23.
2. Reading the text we have admit that this Sabbath observance will be binding for all mankind for all of eternity even after the cross.
3. Is 56 - (same book, same author) is affirming gentiles who keep the Sabbath - as honoring God.
4. It is only when the second coming happens and the New Earth and New Heavens are established in Rev 21 that all the wicked have perished and so "All mankind" will be worshiping God, all will be Christians, all will be keeping the Sabbath not just the "Remnant" or "Israel" -- the "FEW" of Matt 7 keeping it on earth as Christians are by far the minority in this world. And of course at the second coming the man-denominations of Christianity become one united group.
5. And of course while the "new moon" is a physical "event" that takes place on a cycle - God's Holy "Sabbath" is a "practice" a "convention" and "observance" not a physical cycle in the heavens - so to worship "from Sabbath to Sabbath" would require that "convention" to still exist.

This is true no matter if one is pro-Sunday or not.

I think all sides can see this point.

The words are in parable:

Sabbath, meaning Heaven/kingdom...and New Moon, meaning the time of Satan's reign upon the Earth. The words define the parameters of God's judgement from both sides, from God's side, and from the side of the world.

Just as one might accurately say from 11:59am to 11:59am, or 12:01pm to 12:01pm, to describe a time period between noon of one day to noon of the next day...it is the same thing.

 

[W2L]

As far as I recall, which is not very far - just a post at a time sometimes...
I didn't see nor reply to yours nor anyone's opinion on the Sabbath in the post you replied to. (even though I just noticed that's in the title of the thread..... )