There is certainly a lot of truth in what our Catholic friends are saying here --
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Dies Domini pt 13 -
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the Sabbath ...is therefore
rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within
the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!
Here Pope John Paul argues two points in his document "Dies Domini"
1. That the TEN Commandments (all TEN... not just NINE ) still remain. What does that mean about the SABBATH Commandment? gone - or remains? or bent to point to??
2. In the second quote John Paul II Refers to the OT Sabbath as the LORD's Day -
Pope John Paul II
Dies Domini pt 13 -
"
the Sabbath ...is therefore
rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within
the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!! In setting this commandment within the context of the basic structure of ethics, Israel and then the church declare that they consider it not just a matter of community religious discipline but a
defining and indelible expression of our relationship to God, announced and expounded by biblical revelations.
Dies Domini
From the Sabbath to Sunday
18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because
Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning,
they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the
Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf.
Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (
Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (
Rom 8:15;
Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the
meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf.
2 Cor 4:6).
We move f
rom the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath",
from the seventh day to the first day: the
dies Domini becomes the
dies Christi!
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The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.
1965 -- first published 1959
(from "The Faith Explained" page 243
"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...
The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...
nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church
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In these quotes we see "TEN Commandments" and "DECALOGUE" not "630"
2056 The word "
Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"
12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.
2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the
Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content,
grave obligations.They are
fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are
engraved by God in the human heart.
these Catholic Catechism statements seem to support what John Paul II and what "The Faith Explained" have said in their two points above --
2056 The word "
Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"
12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.
2072
Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.
2063....
the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received
amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.
26
2068 The Council of Trent teaches that
the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that
the justified man is still bound to keep them;
28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the
observance of the Commandments."
29
(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole
. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To
transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.
30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.
Key question:
In legal terms - what does it mean
to change one of the TEN commandments in the law - so that its obligation, its authority, its observance is now transferred to some other day - other than the one as given in that Command??
The catechism is just saying what scripture teaches. No one denies there are 10 commandments.
Can the quotes from your own RCC be "re-imagined" to say "Ten Commandments exist in the Bible but they are not for Christians" --
AFTER they have just said
2063....
the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received
amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.
26
2068 The Council of Trent teaches that
the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that
the justified man is still bound to keep them;
28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the
observance of the Commandments."
29
(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole
. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To
transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.
30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.
. The 10 in the Old Covenant are exactly the same as they are today and were never binding upon Christians.
Tell you what you keep circling back to your quotes of "you" using "you as your RCC text"....
And I will keep using this as "RCC text".
2063....
the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received
amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.
26
2068 The Council of Trent teaches that
the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that
the justified man is still bound to keep them;
28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the
observance of the Commandments."
29
(Application in James 2)
2069 The Decalogue forms a coherent whole
. Each "word" refers to each of the others and to all of them; they reciprocally condition one another. the two tables shed light on one another; they form an organic unity. To
transgress one commandment is to infringe all the others.
30 One cannot honor another person without blessing God his Creator. One cannot adore God without loving all men, his creatures. the Decalogue brings man's religious and social life into unity.
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Then we will let the objective unbiased reader decide if they want to use the actual RCC quotes above when they want to claim that the RCC takes this or that position or would they prefer "Samir says..." as their source.
Let it be left as an exercise for the reader.
