Why the Catholic Church changes the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday

[BobRyan]

John Paul II

Dies Domini

From the Sabbath to Sunday

18. Because the Third (the Sabbath) Commandment depends upon the remembrance of God's saving works and because Christians saw the definitive time inaugurated by Christ as a new beginning, they made the first day after the Sabbath a festive day, for that was the day on which the Lord rose from the dead. The Paschal Mystery of Christ is the full revelation of the mystery of the world's origin, the climax of the history of salvation and the anticipation of the eschatological fulfilment of the world. What God accomplished in Creation and wrought for his People in the Exodus has found its fullest expression in Christ's Death and Resurrection, though its definitive fulfilment will not come until the Parousia, when Christ returns in glory. In him, the "spiritual" meaning of the Sabbath is fully realized, as Saint Gregory the Great declares: "For us, the true Sabbath is the person of our Redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ".(14) This is why the joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6). In the light of this mystery, the meaning of the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day is recovered, perfected and fully revealed in the glory which shines on the face of the Risen Christ (cf. 2 Cor 4:6). We move from the "Sabbath" to the "first day after the Sabbath", from the seventh day to the first day: the dies Domini becomes the dies Christi!

You know better than this.

I assume you are complaining about " on humanity's first Sabbath"

Are you asking me if I agree with John Paul II that the Sabbath was transferred to week-day-1?? Of course I believe they CLAIM it - but I don't believe it is a legit claim.

You are quoting a document that is not specific in what it is saying. "After" the Sabbath means "like" the Sabbath.

hint: humanity's first Sabbath

hint: the Old Testament precept concerning the Lord's Day

hint; , from the seventh day to the first day:


hint:

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

SPECIFICALLY the SOLEMNITY of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. In Catholicism, the Sabbath is Friday night sundown til Saturday sundown. Sunday is The Lord's Day. You are dishonest when you try to say otherwise.

The only "dishonest" text you quoted was John Paul II -- try quoting me if you want to falsely accuse me in that way.

 

[BobRyan]

NINE or TEN???

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2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29


Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

 

[samir]

Then you freely admit that you do not agree with what the Catholic Church has said on that point???

No. How did you come to that conclusion?

Is there any moral law that says "set aside one day each week for God" instead of "The SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God"???

Yes. God doesn't create commandments for no reason. The Sabbath was created so the Israelites could devote one day to God each week.

 

[BobRyan]

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians. Although not part of the New Covenant, those commandments were based upon the moral law which the saints are obligated to follow. Observing the Lord's day on the first day of the week fulfills the moral law of setting aside one day each week for God.

Then you freely admit that you do not agree with what the Catholic Church has said on that point???

No. How did you come to that conclusion?

Well... all those Catholic statements that flatly refute what you just said... for one.


hint
Yesterday at 10:11 PM #242
Yesterday at 10:08 PM #241
Sunday at 9:03 AM #236

Question -- Is there any moral law that says "set aside one day each week for God" instead of "The SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God"???

Yes.

Then you should have quoted it.

 

[samir]

Then you freely admit that you do not agree with what the Catholic Church has said on that point???




Well... all those Catholic statements that flatly refute what you just said... for one.

I read those statements but none of them refuted what I said or supported what you claimed they said. All I saw was evidence that someone struggles with reading comprehension or just sees what they want to see due to prejudice against the Church.

Question -- Is there any moral law that says "set aside one day each week for God" instead of "The SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God"???



Then you should have quoted it.

Exodus 20. God doesn't just give people commandments for no reason. Since God is just, there has always been a moral law that mankind was obligated to follow. The Ten Commandments were based upon that moral law that is still in effect. The Catholic Church determined that the moral law upon which the Sabbath was based was setting aside time for God. Catholics fulfill that moral law by observing the Lord's day on the first day of the week. Nothing was changed.

Jesus confirmed it when he said the law was summed up as love God and love your neighbor. The Sabbath has to do with loving God. One way Christians love God is by setting aside one day a week to worship Him.

 

[BobRyan]

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians. Although not part of the New Covenant, those commandments were based upon the moral law which the saints are obligated to follow. Observing the Lord's day on the first day of the week fulfills the moral law of setting aside one day each week for God.

Then you freely admit that you do not agree with what the Catholic Church has said on that point???

No. How did you come to that conclusion?

Well... all those Catholic statements that flatly refute what you just said... for one.


hint
Yesterday at 10:11 PM #242
Yesterday at 10:08 PM #241
Sunday at 9:03 AM #236

Question -- Is there any moral law that says "set aside one day each week for God" instead of "The SEVENTH day is the Sabbath of the Lord Thy God"???

Yes.

Then you should have quoted it.

I read those statements but none of them refuted what I said or supported what you claimed they said.

Let's test that illogical speculation

Here is an example

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NINE or TEN???

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2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29


Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

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Now that is pretty much - just a "Quote" of what they say.

Contrast "the details" in that quote with your flat out contradiction of it.

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

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yes indeed - you contradict the text - in EVERY example comparison we see --

How "odd".

All I saw was evidence that someone struggles with reading comprehension

I think we can ALL see that now!!

 

[BobRyan]

The Catholic Church did NOT change any of the Ten Commandments. They were part of the OT laws that God gave to the Jews and not binding upon Christians

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The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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Your contradiction of the text - could hardly be more glaringly obvious

All I saw was evidence that someone struggles with reading comprehension

I think we can ALL see that now!!

 

[samir]

Let's test that illogical speculation

I responded to your post to educate you and help your understanding. If you're not interested, I am happy to ignore your posts and help someone else. Although I will do my best to help, I highly recommend you finish reading the New Testament as it should really help your understanding.

Here is an example

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NINE or TEN???

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2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christiansand that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

The catechism is just saying what scripture teaches. No one denies there are 10 commandments. No one says one of them was changed or removed. The 10 in the Old Covenant are exactly the same as they are today and were never binding upon Christians. However, Jesus did not abolish the law but fulfilled it (Matthew 5:17). In the New Covenant, Christians are obligated to observe the moral law underpinning the Ten Commandments. Christians have been released from the law and serve God in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Romans 7:6).

Dies Domini pt 13 -
"the Sabbath ...is therefore rooted in the depths of God's plan. This is why unlike many other laws - it is not within the context of strictly cultic (Jewish) stipulations but within the Decalogue the "ten words" which represent the very pillars of moral life inscribed on the human heart!!

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Now that is pretty much - just a "Quote" of what they say.

Contrast "the details" in that quote with your flat out contradiction of it.

What you call a contradiction is just your misunderstanding. The Sabbath is part of the 10 Commandments and will remain so forever. Christians are obligated to follow those commandments in the new way of the Spirit as opposed to following the letter of the law which is not binding upon Christians.

2068 The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them;28 The Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."29

Not the letter of the law but the fulfillment of those commandments and the spiritual understanding taught in the New Covenant.

2063.... the words of the Decalogue remain likewise for us Christians. Far from being abolished, they have received amplification and development from the fact of the coming of the Lord in the flesh.26

Amen. That's what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17.

2072 Since they express man's fundamental duties towards God and towards his neighbor, the Ten Commandments reveal, in their primordial content, grave obligations.They are fundamentally immutable, and they oblige always and everywhere. No one can dispense from them. the Ten Commandments are engraved by God in the human heart.

I fully agree. In their primordial content (the moral law upon which they are based) they are grave obligations and fundamentally immutable.

2056 The word "Decalogue" means literally "ten words."11 God revealed these "ten words" to his people on the holy mountain. They were written "with the finger of God,"12 unlike the other commandments written by Moses.13 They are pre-eminently the words of God. They are handed on to us in the books of Exodus 14 and Deuteronomy.15 Beginning with the Old Testament, the sacred books refer to the "ten words,"16 but it is in the New Covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed.

I agree. Jesus revealed the full meaning and Christians follow the new spiritual understanding of those commandments based on the moral law.

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yes indeed - you contradict the text - in EVERY example comparison we see --

How "odd".



I think we can ALL see that now!!

Yes, we can all see how you failed to comprehend what was written. Glad to see you admit it. That's an important first step toward learning.

 

[samir]

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The Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.

1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church

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Your contradiction of the text - could hardly be more glaringly obvious

You're misunderstanding what you read. In the Old Covenant, the letter of the law said to observe a Sabbath on the seventh day. That covenant has been replaced so Christians are no longer obligated to observe the Sabbath. However, Jesus did not completely do away with that law but fulfilled it. The primordial content of that commandment is setting aside time to worship God. Observing the Lord's day on Sunday is how Christians fulfill their obligation.

The Sabbath remains on Saturday which Christians have never been obligated to follow. The Christian Church decided to celebrate the Lord's day on Sunday in fulfillment of the Sabbath commandment because that's when Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[SAAN]

You're misunderstanding what you read. In the Old Covenant, the letter of the law said to observe a Sabbath on the seventh day. That covenant has been replaced so Christians are no longer obligated to observe the Sabbath. However, Jesus did not completely do away with that law but fulfilled it. The primordial content of that commandment is setting aside time to worship God. Observing the Lord's day on Sunday is how Christians fulfill their obligation.

The Sabbath remains on Saturday which Christians have never been obligated to follow. The Christian Church decided to celebrate the Lord's day on Sunday in fulfillment of the Sabbath commandment because that's when Jesus rose from the dead.

I get where you are coming from, but just because Jesus rose from the grave right after the sun set on Saturday night (Matt 28:1), doesnt mean you can completely disregard a command of God and make up a new day of worship.

God is the creator and we go by his terms and not the other way around.

There is still no biblical proof of what day is the Lords day in regards to was John referring to Saturday or Sunday. Jesus did say he is the Lord of the Sabbath, so that is the only thing biblical that could point to a specific day. Most of the Lords day is Sunday, comes from theology school teaching.

 

[Bob S]

The catechism is just saying what scripture teaches. No one denies there are 10 commandments.

No one says one of them was changed or removed. The 10 in the Old Covenant are exactly the same as they are today and were never binding upon Christians.

Why are they not binding on Christians?

However, Jesus did not abolish the law but fulfilled it (Matthew 5:17). In the New Covenant, Christians are obligated to observe the moral law underpinning the Ten Commandments. Christians have been released from the law and serve God in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code (Romans 7:6).

What is the moral underpinning of the 10? You say that Christians have been released from the law yet you also tell us we are bound to the 10. Are we or are we not under the 10 commandments?

What you call a contradiction is just your misunderstanding. The Sabbath is part of the 10 Commandments and will remain so forever. Christians are obligated to follow those commandments in the new way of the Spirit as opposed to following the letter of the law which is not binding upon Christians.

Are not the 10 the letter of the law? Again, are we bound to the 10? How do we observe the Sabbath in the Spirit?

Not the letter of the law but the fulfillment of those commandments and the spiritual understanding taught in the New Covenant.

I don't understand.

I fully agree. In their primordial content (the moral law upon which they are based) they are grave obligations and fundamentally immutable.

Are they all based on morality?

I agree. Jesus revealed the full meaning and Christians follow the new spiritual understanding of those commandments based on the moral law.

What is the new spiritual understanding? As you can see, your comments went right over my head.

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Yes, we can all see how you failed to comprehend what was written. Glad to see you admit it. That's an important first step toward learning.

How about getting down to basic 101. You make statements and then neglect to follow up with scripture thus it appears your statements are futile to the reader.

Matthew Henry Commentary
2Cor3:1-11 Even the appearance of self-praise and courting human applause, is painful to the humble and spiritual mind. Nothing is more delightful to faithful ministers, or more to their praise, than the success of their ministry, as shown in the spirits and lives of those among whom they labour. The law of Christ was written in their hearts, and the love of Christ shed abroad there. Nor was it written in tables of stone, as the law of God given to Moses, but on the fleshy (not fleshly, as fleshliness denotes sensuality) tables of the heart, Eze 36:26. Their hearts were humbled and softened to receive this impression, by the new-creating power of the Holy Spirit. He ascribes all the glory to God. And remember, as our whole dependence is upon the Lord, so the whole glory belongs to him alone. The letter killeth: the letter of the law is the ministration of death; and if we rest only in the letter of the gospel, we shall not be the better for so doing: but the Holy Spirit gives life spiritual, and life eternal. The Old Testament dispensation was the ministration of death, but the New Testament of life. The law made known sin, and the wrath and curse of God; it showed us a God above us, and a God against us; but the gospel makes known grace, and Emmanuel, God with us. Therein the righteousness of God by faith is revealed; and this shows us that the just shall live by his faith; this makes known the grace and mercy of God through Jesus Christ, for obtaining the forgiveness of sins and eternal life. The gospel so much exceeds the law in glory, that it eclipses the glory of the legal dispensation. But even the New Testament will be a killing letter, if shown as a mere system or form, and without dependence on God the Holy Spirit, to give it a quickening power.

 

[Bob S]

I get where you are coming from, but just because Jesus rose from the grave right after the sun set on Saturday night (Matt 28:1), doesnt mean you can completely disregard a command of God and make up a new day of worship.

God is the creator and we go by his terms and not the other way around.

There is still no biblical proof of what day is the Lords day in regards to was John referring to Saturday or Sunday. Jesus did say he is the Lord of the Sabbath, so that is the only thing biblical that could point to a specific day. Most of the Lords day is Sunday, comes from theology school teaching.

And Paul did say that the weekly Sabbath is now merely a shadow. Since we cannot worship shadows what is wrong with assembling ourselves together on any day? Paul backs that up with his 2C0r3:7-11 where he tell us that the 10 commandments with its Sabbath command was temporary and we are now under the power of the Holy Spirit as our guide.

One thing I do see is the fact that the Holy Spirit is not leading the inhabitants of the World to the doors of Sabbath keepers. For sure the Adventist church spend millions upon millions trying to persuade people to join ranks with them nad only a very few respond. The ones who do join have little or no understanding of the real truth. Been there and did that.

 

[SAAN]

And Paul did say that the weekly Sabbath is now merely a shadow. Since we cannot worship shadows what is wrong with assembling ourselves together on any day? Paul backs that up with his 2C0r3:7-11 where he tell us that the 10 commandments with its Sabbath command was temporary and we are now under the power of the Holy Spirit as our guide.

One thing I do see is the fact that the Holy Spirit is not leading the inhabitants of the World to the doors of Sabbath keepers. For sure the Adventist church spend millions upon millions trying to persuade people to join ranks with them nad only a very few respond. The ones who do join have little or no understanding of the real truth. Been there and did that.

If Jesus said he didnt come to abolish his fathers commands and Paul "supposedly" says the 10 C's are temporary, who are we to believe?

Christianity is in shambles tight now, so im now sure where the Holy Spirit is leading folks, when you have stuff like the Hebrew Roots community growing as much as they are.

 

[samir]

I get where you are coming from, but just because Jesus rose from the grave right after the sun set on Saturday night (Matt 28:1), doesnt mean you can completely disregard a command of God and make up a new day of worship.

Nothing is being disregarded. God never commanded Christians to observe the Sabbath. There is nothing in scripture that says you can't worship God on Sunday.

God is the creator and we go by his terms and not the other way around.

Agreed. Those terms never included observing the Sabbath or refraining from worshiping the Lord on Sunday.

There is still no biblical proof of what day is the Lords day in regards to was John referring to Saturday or Sunday. Jesus did say he is the Lord of the Sabbath, so that is the only thing biblical that could point to a specific day. Most of the Lords day is Sunday, comes from theology school teaching.

I can choose to worship God any day of the week. Scripture does not forbid Sunday worship.

 

[SAAN]

Nothing is being disregarded. God never commanded Christians to observe the Sabbath. There is nothing in scripture that says you can't worship God on Sunday.



Agreed. Those terms never included observing the Sabbath or refraining from worshiping the Lord on Sunday.



I can choose to worship God any day of the week. Scripture does not forbid Sunday worship.

Actually God never commanded Christians anything. Every command he ever gave was to the nation of Israel, that is why when we get saved we are grafted into Israel.

As for Sunday, you are correct, there is no where in the bible where it states Sunday worship is a sin.

 

[samir]

Why are they not binding on Christians?

Because God did not include Christians in his covenant with the Israelites.

What is the moral underpinning of the 10?

Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’" On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. (Matthew 22:37-40)”

You say that Christians have been released from the law yet you also tell us we are bound to the 10. Are we or are we not under the 10 commandments?

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-20)"

Are not the 10 the letter of the law?

The letter is the actual words or text of the Ten Commandments.

Again, are we bound to the 10?

He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”

So he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’"and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’”"

And He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” (Luke 10:26-28)"

How do we observe the Sabbath in the Spirit?

Why did God command the Sabbath observance? The moral principle is to set aside time to worship God which fulfills the moral law to love God above all else. Christians observe the spirit of the law by setting aside one day each week to worship God.

I don't understand.

The following passages may help:

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God. (Romans 2:28-29)"

"But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. (Romans 7:6)"

"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:5-6)"

Are they all based on morality?

Yes. Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’" On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. (Matthew 22:37-40)”

What is the new spiritual understanding? As you can see, your comments went right over my head.

It helps to read the New Testament first to get a good foundation. There are many passage I quoted above that explain how Christians follow the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law. If you love God above all else and love your neighbor as yourself then you've fulfilled the law.

How about getting down to basic 101. You make statements and then neglect to follow up with scripture thus it appears your statements are futile to the reader.

Hopefully the scripture I posted above will help.

Matthew Henry Commentary

2Cor3:1-11 Even the appearance of self-praise and courting human applause, is painful to the humble and spiritual mind. Nothing is more delightful to faithful ministers, or more to their praise, than the success of their ministry, as shown in the spirits and lives of those among whom they labour. The law of Christ was written in their hearts, and the love of Christ shed abroad there. Nor was it written in tables of stone, as the law of God given to Moses, but on the fleshy (not fleshly, as fleshliness denotes sensuality) tables of the heart, Eze 36:26. Their hearts were humbled and softened to receive this impression, by the new-creating power of the Holy Spirit. He ascribes all the glory to God. And remember, as our whole dependence is upon the Lord, so the whole glory belongs to him alone. The letter killeth: the letter of the law is the ministration of death; and if we rest only in the letter of the gospel, we shall not be the better for so doing: but the Holy Spirit gives life spiritual, and life eternal. The Old Testament dispensation was the ministration of death, but the New Testament of life. The law made known sin, and the wrath and curse of God; it showed us a God above us, and a God against us; but the gospel makes known grace, and Emmanuel, God with us. Therein the righteousness of God by faith is revealed; and this shows us that the just shall live by his faith; this makes known the grace and mercy of God through Jesus Christ, for obtaining the forgiveness of sins and eternal life. The gospel so much exceeds the law in glory, that it eclipses the glory of the legal dispensation. But even the New Testament will be a killing letter, if shown as a mere system or form, and without dependence on God the Holy Spirit, to give it a quickening power.

That's a good explanation of what I was saying so rely on that if it's easier to understand.

 

[samir]

Actually God never commanded Christians anything. Every command he ever gave was to the nation of Israel, that is why when we get saved we are grafted into Israel.

"Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations... teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. (Matthew 28:18-20)"

 

[SAAN]

"Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations... teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. (Matthew 28:18-20)"

Yes and when you get saved you are grafted into Israel, there is no such things as Jew command , Gentile commands or Christians commands. Its just one set of commands that Gods people are to follow.

 

[samir]

Yes and when you get saved you are grafted into Israel, there is no such things as Jew command , Gentile commands or Christians commands. Its just one set of commands that Gods people are to follow.

You said "God never commanded Christians anything" which I clearly refuted by showing Jesus gave commands to Christians. The commands in the New Covenant are clearly different than the ones in the Old Covenant that Jews followed. I agree if Jews become Christians they enter the New Covenant and are obligated to obey the same commands that Jesus gave Christians to follow.

 

[Meowzltov]

Yes. God doesn't create commandments for no reason. The Sabbath was created so the Israelites could devote one day to God each week.

And to remember the Exodus.