To whom and why God gave the Sabbaths?

[Ken Rank]

Someone is very confused...

It is either you or the Apostle Paul.

Gal 4:24　 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.　
Gal 4:25　 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.　
Gal 4:26　 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.　(Hebrews 11:16)
Gal 4:27　 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.　
Gal 4:28　 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.　
Gal 4:29　 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.　
Gal 4:30　 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.　
Gal 4:31　 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Php 3:2　 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!　
Php 3:3　 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,　
Php 3:4　 though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so:　
Php 3:5　 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee;　
Php 3:6　 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.　
Php 3:7　 But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ.　
Php 3:8　 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ　
Php 3:9　 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;　
Php 3:10　 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death,　
Php 3:11　 if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.　


Paul counted his former reliance on the Law of Moses (known today as Judaism), as "dung".


G4657
σκύβαλον
skubalon
skoo'-bal-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of G1519 and G2965 and G906; what is thrown to the dogs, that is, refuse (ordure): - dung.

Total KJV occurrences: 1

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I would be honored to take the time to explain Galatians to you. However, it is clear you have a mindset that is indeed set. Since I am not trying to convert you, convince you, or clone myself... I am fine with you believing Paul's words trump anything that came before him and that Jesus created a new religion rather than walk prophetically within an existing one.

Blessings to you and yours.
Ken

 

[Ken Rank]

That brought a smile to my face. I can just see Moses coming down to the camp where the elders and all the people were enjoying a drunken orgy worshipping the golden calf that Aaron had fashioned for them. Moses walks up to one and says, "Excuse me. Can we call a meeting to ratify these outline ideas that I wrote down these past forty days?" The elder looks at him and says, "Forget that idea. We like Aaron's idea much better and already had the meeting without you."

What bible do you read? Do you not realize Moses went up to the mountain more than once?

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

<< That is the smile that just left your face. Just joking... but brother, you need to read the OT a little more. More than 30% of the NT is either a direct quote or a reference to the OT. In fact, it is 75% of your bible, the OT is. You wouldn't dare spend $15 to go into a 2 hour movie that started an hour and a half before and expect to have any clue as to the context of the last 1/2 you watch. You would want to watch from the beginning... I humbly suggest you go back and do the same with Scripture.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Only once.

Twice at least.
Once in stone. Permanent forever.

Once in the dirt, very temporary.

There are other examples, very many, but not for today (and kind of a play on words).

 

[bugkiller]

Israel rejected Jesus. Why would Jesus want Christians to be part of a defunct nation? That is absurd my friend. We are all grafted into the tree of life, Jesus, the same way. The branches that were on the tree withered and died because they rejected the Light, Jesus.

I am sure God has a special passageway for all who have chosen to be part of the body of Christ. I, for one, am not worried about which gate I will be passing through. In fact, the Jews that come to Christ are so intermingled as far as belonging to one tribe or another that it would be impossible to figure what gate they would enter. Even Jesus heritage would be mixed. Think about it, which gate would Jesus enter if He had to enter through a gate?

Neither am I especially when Jesus said the only way in is through Him. JN1 4:6

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I disagree entirely but it doesn't matter if you agree with me or not. Israel (the Northern Kingdom) was taken into Assyria in 722BC and has never returned. Judah (the Jews) were taken into Babylon in 585BC and DID come home. As for the "ritual laws?" Leviticus 23 calls the Feasts, "the feasts of the LORD," and He also calls them, "My feasts." They are not Jewish feasts, they belong to the Creator who used them to point to the work of Yeshua. As for your last comment, I will ignore it because you clearly have no grasp of history. Acts 21:20 tells us that as many as 20,000 + Jews (look at the Greek, not the English) both believed Yeshua was Messiah AND remained zealous for the Torah. Your own messiah, the one you call Lord, the one you claim to submit to, the one you claim walked the walk God desired... our model... was doing things you are no demeaning. How could doing what our Lord did be wrong? He was, is... the model we are supposed to follow.

There is nothing in the NT requiring the Christian to conform to the law.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Again, Acts 21:20 states that as many as 20,000+ Jews in Judea believed Yeshua was messiah. ALL of his early followers were Jewish, he was Jewish... he even returns as the Lion of the TRIBE OF JEWdah. So Israel didn't reject Yeshua, some Jews did, some didn't... and I could share why but I am not sure you want to hear why.

Christianity in the first century was a sect of Judaism, NOT a new religion. As I said before, and as you ignored.... the covenant (Jer. 31:31-34 and Heb. 8:8-11) do NOT mention gentiles... only Judah (the Jews) and Israel (you). The New Jerusalem has 12 Gates, one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel... there is no 13th gate for the gentiles. Do you even know what a gentile is?

Why is there no record in the book of Acts showing new gentile converts to Christianity being required to submit to the law?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Exactly. The same applies today. We must become part of Israel.

All physical nations didn't have to be there, just enough gentiles to represent them.

Show any individual converting to Christianity being circumcised upon conversion.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It seems that you do not know what a Jew is since you conflate Jews and Gentiles.

Please tell us. BTW Rom 2:29 does not qualify.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

A Jew is one who is form the tribe of Judah or a descendant of the same. A Jew was also a member of the Southern Kingdom (which included Judah, Benjamin, and half of Levi) or a descendant of the same. And/or a Jew is a member of Judaism. A gentile is one from the nations. In 1828 when Webster standardized the English language... and when the word gentile was first used in our English bibles... the word meant, "a pagan, a heathen, one who is not a Christian or a Jew." MODERN dictionaries define that word as, "a follower of Christ who is not Jewish." In the days leading from Tyndale through about 1900... a "gentile Christian" was an oxymoron. One can't be a pagan and a follower of Christ.

You need to inform the net because they're out of date.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

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bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I would be honored to take the time to explain Galatians to you. However, it is clear you have a mindset that is indeed set. Since I am not trying to convert you, convince you, or clone myself... I am fine with you believing Paul's words trump anything that came before him and that Jesus created a new religion rather than walk prophetically within an existing one.

Blessings to you and yours.
Ken

Would love to see your response...er explanation. Generally your comments above are nothing more than a way out. WE see it all the time here.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

What bible do you read? Do you not realize Moses went up to the mountain more than once?

Exo 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;
Exo 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
Exo 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

<< That is the smile that just left your face. Just joking... but brother, you need to read the OT a little more. More than 30% of the NT is either a direct quote or a reference to the OT. In fact, it is 75% of your bible, the OT is. You wouldn't dare spend $15 to go into a 2 hour movie that started an hour and a half before and expect to have any clue as to the context of the last 1/2 you watch. You would want to watch from the beginning... I humbly suggest you go back and do the same with Scripture.

The wise understand exactly what you posted above. It is a way to say get out of the NT and use the OT. No thanks.

bugkiller

 

[BABerean2]

I would be honored to take the time to explain Galatians to you.

When a person posts the text of the New Testament and another poster claims the text means something other than what is plainly written, then we would all welcome an explanation. One of the main purposes of this forum is to reveal the truth about God's Word. The text must be our standard when compared to the opinions of humans.

You are correct about my mindset being set on what is written in the text.

Please enlighten us on the text I posted. I would be honored to hear your explanation.

Was the Apostle Paul confused about his reliance on the Law of Moses when he compared it to "dung" or was Paul just wrong in your opinion?

What are the two covenants Paul was referring to in Galatians 4:24 if they are not the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant of Hebrews 8:13, and Hebrews 12:24 ?

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[Ken Rank]

When a person posts the text of the New Testament and another poster claims the text means something other than what is plainly written, then we would all welcome an explanation. One of the main purposes of this forum is to reveal the truth about God's Word. The text must be our standard when compared to the opinions of humans.

You are correct about my mindset being set on what is written in the text.

Please enlighten us on the text I posted. I would be honored to hear your explanation.

Was the Apostle Paul confused about his reliance on the Law of Moses when he compared it to "dung" or was Paul just wrong in your opinion?

What are the two covenants Paul was referring to in Galatians 4:24 if they are not the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant of Hebrews 8:13, and Hebrews 12:24 ?

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Paul didn't call God's Torah "dung," he called his reliance on his works "dung." There is a difference... and I am not sure at this time you can differentiate between them. Context is not the verse before and after, context is much more. I could share with you how Paul, over 35 times, used one of the 7 Rules of Hillel to drive the context of his statements. But I don't think you would receive it, and I seriously doubt that you wouldn't be "honored" to hear another explanation, you are convinced I have nothing edifying at all to say. Therefore, I won't say anything more as I don't desire to waste time, mine or yours.

 

[listed]

I would be honored to take the time to explain Galatians to you. However, it is clear you have a mindset that is indeed set. Since I am not trying to convert you, convince you, or clone myself... I am fine with you believing Paul's words trump anything that came before him and that Jesus created a new religion rather than walk prophetically within an existing one.

Blessings to you and yours.
Ken

Could you explain Galatians to me?

 

[listed]

The promise f the law is only about the body of the flesh. This can be seen in Deuteronomy. The NC is about the soul.

bugkiller

Deuteronomy talks about the law regulating the body of flesh with its promises about current physical life.

 

[Ken Rank]

Could you explain Galatians to me?

I wouldn't mind Listed but here is what will happen. You might fairly hear out a case and pray about it and go in whatever direction on it that you feel led. But I know there are others here who are so adamantly opposed to anything that stands outside of their paradigm that they will derail the points by taking it in 100 different directions. If we could simply go point by point, we could discuss it. But that won't happen here... there are too many who can't go point by point, they will want to throw out 20 verses, think they scored some superior spiritual point, but in the process just made it impossible to have any meaningful discussion. So... my answer is no though you are welcome to send me a PM or look me up on Facebook or something.

 

[Ken Rank]

Deuteronomy talks about the law regulating the body of flesh with its promises about current physical life.

Deuteronomy simply defines what is and is not sin. That is all the Law is... a compilation of what God sees as holy and righteous and what He sees as unholy and unrighteous. We can over-spiritualize anything we are confronted with, but Deuteronomy shouldn't be one of them. Like I said, it is a list of do's and don'ts and that's it.

 

[Bob S]

Neither am I especially when Jesus said the only way in is through Him. JN1 4:6

bugkiller

Amen my friend.

 

[Bob S]

Could you explain Galatians to me?

Yes, please do. You, Ken, have come on here and, in a way, tried to belittle us and yet do not offer much in explanation.