7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Aman777]

Because you are confusing creation work before the fall with salvation work after the fall. Illogically assuming them to be the same. Jesus engaged in no creation works while here, just in works leading to salvation.

UnScriptural since He told the Thief on the Cross:

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with Me in paradise.

Jesus also raised Lazarus from the dead.

Jhn 12:17 The people therefore that was with Him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

Is Jesus God? Did He rest (cease creating) in the beginning as traditional religion teaches? Read Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 which shows that it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "create". Did the Holy Spirit rest (cease creating) in the beginning? Of course not since He, the Father and Jesus are STILL creating Adam (Mankind) in Christ Spiritually, at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 1:27 God Bless you

 

[BrianJK]

Not so, since God's Truth is the Truth in every way literally, figuratively and in every other way. That's the way it is with the Spirit of Truth. Jesus said, I am the Truth. Do you disagree?

I agree that God's Truth has literal and figurative aspects. For example, I believe that Jesus is the Truth. However, I don't believe that He is literally a vine. "True Vine" is a figurative term, alluding to the qualities and works of our Lord, rather than His physical appearance or composition. Do you disagree?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Would you like to try to support that Scripturally from the KJV of God's Holy Word? I promise a most thoughtful view which agrees in every way with every discovery of Science and History. I also promise to refrain from calling you names or implying that you're nuts.

*** Dark energy is just their refusal to let cosmological redshift be falsified when the values became so high the actual recession of galaxies could no longer be supported. Instead they added magical expanding nothing and called it science.

Cosmological redshift is the interaction of light quanta with plasma in space.

http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/hubble/

Which brings us to dark matter which is nothing more than using the wrong physics to describe a universe 99.9% plasma.

Amen, since dark matter means they can't see it but they know it MUST exist or their False Theories must be corrected. They dream up answers designed to fit THEIR model...instead of God's. IF one has the proper understanding of Genesis, the faster the Galaxies fly away from each other, because the Gravity of the next Heaven, the 3rd Heaven of 2Co 12:2, is confirmed since our world is being drawn toward it's end.

Galaxies are drawn by the 3rd heavens Larger Mass which totally REFUTES their "Dark" energy. Their Theory's teaching is the opposite of what should be happening. The Gravity of our Universe SHOULD have slowed and then reversed, so they dreamed up "Dark Energy" or Magic since they know it's there, but it doesn't fit their models. Amen?

It doesn't fit there models because they ignore science. 99.9% of the universe is plasma - ionized matter. Only .1% is non ionized matter - planetary systems.

In every plasma laboratory we use particle physics and electrodynamic theory to describe plasma, not gravitational theory.

But yet in a universe 99.9% plasma they attempt to sledgehammer gravitational theory to fit a state of matter it was not made to fit. This causes them to get the wrong answers, and so they must add those ad hoc assumptions to make the numbers add up because they used the wrong physics for the wrong state of matter.

I can't prove that man is part of the sixth because you refuse to accept the correct meanings of Hebrew words.

Your very own concordance tells you what hayah means, but then you refuse to accept the true meaning of the word because others translated it incorrectly from preconceived ideas they had in the past.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h1961

So convincing you of the truth when you won't even accept the definitions of words is as impossible as convincing evolutionists of their incorrect beliefs when they wont follow their scientific definitions either.

How does one convince someone who refuses to accept the true meanings of words that they themselves say they mean?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

UnScriptural since He told the Thief on the Cross:

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with Me in paradise.

Jesus also raised Lazarus from the dead.

Jhn 12:17 The people therefore that was with Him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

Is Jesus God? Did He rest (cease creating) in the beginning as traditional religion teaches? Read Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 which shows that it takes the AGREEMENT of the Trinity to "create". Did the Holy Spirit rest (cease creating) in the beginning? Of course not since He, the Father and Jesus are STILL creating Adam (Mankind) in Christ Spiritually, at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 1:27 God Bless you

No he said verily I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.

Not my fault people put the comma in the wrong spot. Supported by the fact Jesus did not go to paradise that day, but spent three days in the grave.

He didn't create Lazarus, he simply reinvigorated him with life force. Is Jesus God because he could do this? No.

I can do nothing on my own he stated. He prayed to his Father to bring Lazerus to life again so that people would believe he was sent by God.

He performed salvation work, not creation work. That you refuse to distinguish between them is because you are following preconceived ideas by men long ago who translating the Bible, even if not 4 posts ago you argued we shouldn't believe them. Now you argue we should. My neck is getting sore from the bobbling as I watch you jump all around in your beliefs.

Since Jesus spent three days in the grave he certainly was not in paradise that day unless you are arguing that is paradise?

So just accept the fact translators inserted a comma in the wrong place.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/23-43.htm

Truly to you I say today, with me you will be in paradise.

Since Jesus spent three days in the grave no other interpretation is possible. Anything else is unscriptural.

 

[Aman777]

I agree that God's Truth has literal and figurative aspects. For example, I believe that Jesus is the Truth. However, I don't believe that He is literally a vine. "True Vine" is a figurative term, alluding to the qualities and works of our Lord, rather than His physical appearance or composition. Do you disagree?

No. Here is what I believe: I agree that without Jesus, there is NO life so He is Literally the vine of Life. The Holy Spirit, the Author of Scripture, cannot help writing the entire Truth, literally, figuratively, poetically, etc. It's proof of God when you understand His full Truth. God bless you.

 

[RickG]

I'm after thoughts and opinions Gods 7-day creation. Did Moses right it as a narrative to the Israelites? Is Genesis all figurative language?

Thoughts and opinions on the controversial topic!

Did God create the Earth? If so then the narrative is figurative. Why, because the physical evidence in the earth does not agree with a literal narrative. I choose to value God's physical evidence that man cannot change over that of a written narrative provided by man.

 

[Aman777]

Your very own concordance tells you what hayah means, but then you refuse to accept the true meaning of the word because others translated it incorrectly from preconceived ideas they had in the past.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=h1961

So convincing you of the truth when you won't even accept the definitions of words is as impossible as convincing evolutionists of their incorrect beliefs when they wont follow their scientific definitions either.

How does one convince someone who refuses to accept the true meanings of words that they themselves say they mean?

Sorry, but I don't understand how you think "hayah" is used. Please explain why this is important.

 

[Aman777]

No he said verily I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise.

Not my fault people put the comma in the wrong spot. Supported by the fact Jesus did not go to paradise that day, but spent three days in the grave.

He didn't create Lazarus, he simply reinvigorated him with life force. Is Jesus God because he could do this? No.

I can do nothing on my own he stated. He prayed to his Father to bring Lazerus to life again so that people would believe he was sent by God.

He performed salvation work, not creation work. That you refuse to distinguish between them is because you are following preconceived ideas by men long ago who translating the Bible, even if not 4 posts ago you argued we shouldn't believe them. Now you argue we should. My neck is getting sore from the bobbling as I watch you jump all around in your beliefs.

Since Jesus spent three days in the grave he certainly was not in paradise that day unless you are arguing that is paradise?

So just accept the fact translators inserted a comma in the wrong place.

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/23-43.htm

Truly to you I say today, with me you will be in paradise.

Since Jesus spent three days in the grave no other interpretation is possible. Anything else is unscriptural.

False, since Today remains the present 6th Day in the creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven. We live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (Heb-mankind) in His Image or Spiritually in Christ NOW.

Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of future events which happen AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon, at the end of the 6th Day. Today, ALL Christians will be safely in Heaven, and then God will rest or Cease creating. Gen 2:1 God bless you

 

[Aman777]

Did God create the Earth? If so then the narrative is figurative. Why, because the physical evidence in the earth does not agree with a literal narrative. I choose to value God's physical evidence that man cannot change over that of a written narrative provided by man.

Not so. The problem is with the traditional religious teaching of ancient men who lived thousands of years before Science. We cannot expect these men to be correct....BUT....we can expect it from God. What is found is that IF one has the proper interpretation of the actual words written, is that Genesis is so far advanced in knowledge, that we just now are beginning to confirm what God told us 3k years ago. God hid His Truth until it was confirmed by Science and history.

BTW, Jesus caused the Big Bang 13.8 Billion years ago in man's time but on the 3rd Day, in God's time. Gen 2:4 Your confusion is caused by the incomplete false ToE. God Bless you

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Sorry, but I don't understand how you think "hayah" is used. Please explain why this is important.

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The second word of the second verse of the Bible is hayah. It means to fall out or to become. It is always dynamic and never a mere copula or connecting word. It implies a change of state.

The earth "became" desolate and waste, life existed previously. It is the extinction of the dinosaurs which were the fifth creation. The earth shows five distinct extinction events. Each time all new life different than what went before sprang up.

One can not correctly translate scripture without also correctly translating His works. Nor can one correctly translate His works without correctly translating scripture. They must go hand in hand since the same Divine Author penned them both. If the seem not to agree then one or the other or both are being incorrectly translated.

I'll have to add more later as am on the road and won't be home till later.

 

[-57]

Amen, which shows that Jesus is found in everything which exists, since He is the Creator, the only God ever formed or that ever will be formed. He's the ONLY God any man will ever see since He IS the incarnation of the invisible Spirit of Love. God Bless you

Jesus the "Word" wasn't formed.

 

[Aman777]

Jesus the "Word" wasn't formed.

Are you denying that Jesus came in the flesh?

1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Jesus is God, the Son, in the likeness of sinful flesh. He is called "Lord God" (Heb-YHWH) in the Old and came to Earth as the man Jesus, in the New Testament. Phl 2:5-8 He is the ONLY God (begotten of the invisible Spirit) ever formed physically or that ever will be formed physically:

Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; (Heb-YHWH) and beside Me there is no Saviour.

Jesus IS Lord God of the Old and Jesus Christ, the Savior, in the New Testament. God is ONE. Jesus IS Lord. Amen?

 

[-57]

Are you denying that Jesus came in the flesh?

Nope.

I was simply pointing out your disbelief in the trinity.

 

[Aman777]

Nope.

I was simply pointing out your disbelief in the trinity.

False, since Jesus came into the physical world as the Light on Day one Gen 1:3 from within the invisible Spirit of God. God's Holy Spirit MUST agree with the Father and the Son, BEFORE a new Christian is born again Spiritually. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 Amen?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

Jesus the "Word" wasn't formed.

But, Jesus was the second man. 1 Corinthians 15:47.

 

[-57]

But, Jesus was the second man. 1 Corinthians 15:47.

It would be true that Jesus' skin, bones blood was formed in Mary's womb....the God essense of Jesus always existed.

 

[-57]

False, since Jesus came into the physical world as the Light on Day one Gen 1:3 from within the invisible Spirit of God. God's Holy Spirit MUST agree with the Father and the Son, BEFORE a new Christian is born again Spiritually. Gen 1:26 and John 14:16 Amen?

You make no sense. Amen?

 

[Kenneth Redden]

It would be true that Jesus' skin, bones blood was formed in Mary's womb....the God essense of Jesus always existed.

Agreed.

 

[Goatee]

Interpreting Genesis is where man struggles. I believe that you cannot take everything at face value in the Bible. Not 'everything'.

Jesus spoke in parables.

I believe one cannot read Genesis and interpret it as it reads! There is more to it than what is written. I think it is not meant to be taken 'literally'.

 

[Aman777]

But, Jesus was the second man. 1 Corinthians 15:47.

Not so, since Jesus was in the Trinity when God (Trinity) spoke the first air, dust and water into the physical world in Gen 1:1. Here are the verses: my comments are in brackets:

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; (Heb-being) the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

The above verses speak of our physical/natural bodies and our Spiritual bodies. Of course, you don't have a Spiritual body unless you have been born again Spiritually.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Adam was made the 3rd Day before the plants, herbs and rain, from the dust of the ground. Gen 2:4-7 "Every living creature that moveth" was made the 5th Day Gen 1:21 from the Water. Adam was first made physically and afterward Spiritually. Adam was "created in God's Image" or born again Spiritually in Christ on the present 6th Day. Gen 1:27 AND Gen 5:1-2 Adam was NOT first made spiritually but naturally/physically and until Adam was born again Spiritually at the SAME time Eve was AND Eve was not made until the 6th Day Gen 2:22 both were "lost". This event happened AFTER Cain killed Abel in the previous chapter.

Becoming a Christian is WHEN the Lord comes to live within the New Christian. We were born first physically, and SOME of us are born again Spiritually, Eternally, in Christ. I was first born physically and later born again Spiritually in Christ, when I was born into Heaven, forever. So were you and everyone on this planet who puts their faith in Jesus. Here is what happens next:

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Our earthly bodies must put on our heavenly bodies just before the Rapture. We will then be like Jesus and everyone will see that Humans were destined to be the Rulers of Heaven, from the beginning. Gen 1:28 We were first made Billions of years BEFORE life began on our planet some 3.8 Billion years ago. At the end of the present 6th Age we will all see the fulfillment of what God told us in the FIRST chapter of Genesis. God wrote of the future, of the time when Jesus returns, in Gen 1:28-31.

God wrote of our future more than 3k years ago. It's testable proof of the Living God. His name is Jesus Christ. God Bless you