7 Day creation- literal or figurative?

[Aman777]

If Jesus is brighter than the sun, He can't literally BE the sun. So therefore, some figurative language DOES exist in Scripture. Likewise, Jesus's followers aren't literally salt.

Not so, since God's Truth is the Truth in every way literally, figuratively and in every other way. That's the way it is with the Spirit of Truth. Jesus said, I am the Truth. Do you disagree?

 

[Aman777]

Wrong. That's been shown to be a non-baptist heritical position.

Then tell us who Melchisedec is. He was the King of Salem (Jerusalem) and:
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Couldn't be Adam nor any other man. No matter how many names you call me, Melchisedec certainly sounds like Lord God/Jesus to me. It's also WHY I asked you if you were Catholic since they use the term heretic to describe those who don't agree with their religious views. Are you a converted Catholic?

 

[Aman777]

Why do you ignore the evidence I presented from Genesis and Hebrews?

Sorry, but I didn't notice you explaining HOW God rested (ceased) from ALL of His creating when it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to "create" a new creature in Christ according to Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16. IF God rested from ALL of His creating in the beginning, then WHY did Jesus tell us that God was still working "hitherto" which in Greek means up to the present time? Jhn 5:17

 

[Aman777]

Why do you ignore the evidence I presented from Genesis and Hebrews?

Could it be because you didn't explain YOUR understanding of those verses? Try again and remember unless you tell us your view, posting verses does NOT explain your position.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

God is STILL stretching out the heavens. The Galaxies are continuing to increase in speed, instead of being brought back together, as Gravity should be doing. Some scientists call this "Dark Energy" because they cannot explain this Fact. The term dark shows that they have NO idea WHY the stars continue to increase in speed, but God does. Do you?

No, I don't believe that. I believe creation is finished until the 7th and final creation, man being part of the sixth.

Dark energy is just their refusal to let cosmological redshift be falsified when the values became so high the actual recession of galaxies could no longer be supported. Instead they added magical expanding nothing and called it science.

Cosmological redshift is the interaction of light quanta with plasma in space.

http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/hubble/

Which brings us to dark matter which is nothing more than using the wrong physics to describe a universe 99.9% plasma.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If nothing can be figurative in the Bible, this is a strange religion indeed.

Did Mary give birth to a door?

Not saying what you have to take figuratively and what you don't, but don't tell someone who understands a passage figuratively that they don't believe the words of Scripture unless you're willing to admit that Jesus was a literal door.

Can we get an Amen... Amen!

Besides, didn't Jesus always speak in parables?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Adam and Eve BOTH were created at the SAME time and on the SAME Day as is EVERY other Christian. Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7....BUT....was not "created" until the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 Eve was made AFTER the beasts of the field and birds on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 To be "created in God's Image" is to be born again Spiritually, in Christ, and this happened AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

I am afraid that can't be supported.

Adam named all the animals brought before him male and female. No helper was found for Adam. So they were certainly not created in remotely the same time frame.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Not to those who don't consider the Holy Spirit to be God. Jesus is ALSO God. Did He rest (cease creating) in the beginning? Or is He STILL working today as He told us in Jhn 14:2? Jesus ALSO told us that His Father continues to work "hitherto" or up to the present time. Only those who don't consider Jesus to be God believe that He rested for 24 hours in the beginning but hasn't rested since.

Jhn 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, (Greek-up to the present time) and I work.

Please show chapter and verse where God rested from ALL of His work in the beginning as Gen 2:2-3 repeat. You cannot, but go ahead and try. It will help others to understand what is actually written. Amen?

And yet when accused of blaspheme because they thought Jesus was claiming to be God, he vigorously defended himself against these false charges.

But since this is a post on the age of the earth and universe, I'll say no more of you also accusing Jesus falsely of blasphemy as did those who thought to kill him by using false accusations

 

[Justatruthseeker]

No. I am saying that since Jesus is brighter than the noonday Sun and blinded Saul on the road to Damascus, He is the reason Joshua thought the Sun didn't set. Remember that He is also the light of Heaven. Rev 21:23

And God said: let there be light.

And hence the only begotten of God, for all other things were made through the Son and for him.

The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

OH, now you don't want things to be literal anymore...

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Then tell us who Melchisedec is. He was the King of Salem (Jerusalem) and:
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Couldn't be Adam nor any other man. No matter how many names you call me, Melchisedec certainly sounds like Lord God/Jesus to me. It's also WHY I asked you if you were Catholic since they use the term heretic to describe those who don't agree with their religious views. Are you a converted Catholic?

Can't be, not if he was made like unto the Son of God. Clearly two are being spoken of, one made into a fashion similar to another.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So are you saying that you are unsure what the length of days is in Genesis 1-2? St. Augustine couldn't decide either.

So maybe others shouldn't be so sure they know???

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Just,

Argument from silence is a logical fallacy. We will not be able to have a reasonable conversation if you use this fallacious reasoning.

Oz

Avoiding the question is avoiding the question.

Do you think of old is a mere couple thousand years?

Do you think God punished Adam without Adam having seen death and knowing what it was?

It is hard to have a conversation when you ignore what you don't want to answer.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Sorry, but I didn't notice you explaining HOW God rested (ceased) from ALL of His creating when it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to "create" a new creature in Christ according to Gen 1:26 AND John 14:16. IF God rested from ALL of His creating in the beginning, then WHY did Jesus tell us that God was still working "hitherto" which in Greek means up to the present time? Jhn 5:17

Because you are confusing creation work before the fall with salvation work after the fall. Illogically assuming them to be the same. Jesus engaged in no creation works while here, just in works leading to salvation.

 

[Aman777]

No, I don't believe that. I believe creation is finished until the 7th and final creation, man being part of the sixth.

Would you like to try to support that Scripturally from the KJV of God's Holy Word? I promise a most thoughtful view which agrees in every way with every discovery of Science and History. I also promise to refrain from calling you names or implying that you're nuts.

*** Dark energy is just their refusal to let cosmological redshift be falsified when the values became so high the actual recession of galaxies could no longer be supported. Instead they added magical expanding nothing and called it science.

Cosmological redshift is the interaction of light quanta with plasma in space.

http://www.newtonphysics.on.ca/hubble/

Which brings us to dark matter which is nothing more than using the wrong physics to describe a universe 99.9% plasma.

Amen, since dark matter means they can't see it but they know it MUST exist or their False Theories must be corrected. They dream up answers designed to fit THEIR model...instead of God's. IF one has the proper understanding of Genesis, the faster the Galaxies fly away from each other, because the Gravity of the next Heaven, the 3rd Heaven of 2Co 12:2, is confirmed since our world is being drawn toward it's end.

Galaxies are drawn by the 3rd heavens Larger Mass which totally REFUTES their "Dark" energy. Their Theory's teaching is the opposite of what should be happening. The Gravity of our Universe SHOULD have slowed and then reversed, so they dreamed up "Dark Energy" or Magic since they know it's there, but it doesn't fit their models. Amen?

 

[Aman777]

Can we get an Amen... Amen!

Besides, didn't Jesus always speak in parables?

Amen, which shows that Jesus is found in everything which exists, since He is the Creator, the only God ever formed or that ever will be formed. He's the ONLY God any man will ever see since He IS the incarnation of the invisible Spirit of Love. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Aman777 said: ↑
Adam and Eve BOTH were created at the SAME time and on the SAME Day as is EVERY other Christian. Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4-7....BUT....was not "created" until the 6th Day. Gen 1:27 Eve was made AFTER the beasts of the field and birds on the 6th Day. Gen 2:22 To be "created in God's Image" is to be born again Spiritually, in Christ, and this happened AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2 Amen?

I am afraid that can't be supported.

Adam named all the animals brought before him male and female. No helper was found for Adam. So they were certainly not created in remotely the same time frame.

Adam (Heb-mankind) was made BEFORE the animals Gen 2:4-7 or he could NOT have named them. Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day BEFORE the plants herbs and rain. Adam was later "created" in God's Image or born again Spiritually, in Christ, at the SAME time Eve was created, on the present 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2 The traditional religious view does not agree? Do you know why?

It's because modern Humans are continuing to study the Theology of men who lived thousands of years BEFORE Science, instead of reading Genesis, knowing that the Supreme Intelligence of Creation authored it. Modern mankind has substituted man's ancient religion's (beliefs) or theology, instead of reading God's Truth with today's "increased knowledge". God told Daniel HOW He hid His Truth in the future discoveries of the Science in the "last days" of our Earth.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

God saw the future from the beginning. He hid His Truth, which agrees in every way with every discovery of Science and History today but which was complete in His mind BEFORE He began His Creation. ONLY God could have possibly told us of the discoveries of Science and History in the present last days. His complete knowledge has been made available to most Humans, for the first time, online, in the short History of the descendants of Adam (mankind) on our planet.

 

[Aman777]

And yet when accused of blaspheme because they thought Jesus was claiming to be God, he vigorously defended himself against these false charges.

But since this is a post on the age of the earth and universe, I'll say no more of you also accusing Jesus falsely of blasphemy as did those who thought to kill him by using false accusations

God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

And God said: let there be light.

And hence the only begotten of God, for all other things were made through the Son and for him.

The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

OH, now you don't want things to be literal anymore...

God's Truth is the Truth in every way:

Literally, Jesus is the light of the 3rd Heaven.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

BTW, the city Scripture speaks of is 1500 miles Square and in Height. It's a big mountain half the size of the United States. Jesus is the Literal Light of Heaven, along with Christians, since we will be like Him, then. Ezekiel described him long ago:

Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of His loins even upward, and from the appearance of His loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

Eze 8:2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of His loins even downward, fire; and from His loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber. Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

 

[Aman777]

Can't be, not if he was made like unto the Son of God. Clearly two are being spoken of, one made into a fashion similar to another.

God loves to hide His Truth from all knowing mortal mankind:

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

 

[Aman777]

So maybe others shouldn't be so sure they know???

The beginning of our cosmos, the "so called" big bang happened on the 3rd Day Gen 2:4 and today remains the 6th Day or Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven, which will not be complete until the last sinner comes to Christ. God has tarried at Gen 1:27 in order to fill His 3rd Heaven with it's entire "HOST". Gen 2:1 He is STILL creating mankind (Heb-Adam) in His Image or in Christ Spiritually. We came in, in the middle of God's creation, at the end of the present 6th Day.

Science dates the beginning of our cosmos at some 13.8 Billion years ago on God's 3rd Day/Age. Today is the 6th Day so 6-3 equals some 4.5 Billion years for EACH of God's Days, in man's time, IF they are of the same length. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically.