Christianity... and the fact of evolution

[RedPonyDriver]

Why are you so angry?

Oh, I'm angry because I don't care what you think? Really? I sit here and laugh at most of these posts.

 

[JacksBratt]

You missed the rest sir. re-read it and go back to English comp 1.

And...your presumption to claim that it's Christ is quite arrogant on your part. Now...do me a HUGE favor and drop it. You lack the credentials or intellect to construct a coherent, objective argument on any topic discussed here.

Oh, so now we need credentials in order to post here? Hmm, wasn't aware of this. Can you show me in the forum rules and regs where I need to have credentials, and what these credentials are, in order to post here?

I know I'm not even close to being a professional "pot stirrer" but I am allowed to post here.

Also, when someone starts to attack my grammar and spelling......... on an internet forum no less.....I am certain that I have posted some truth and they have no retort other than attacking with meaningless and un supported assumptions on my education and intelligence.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

You wrote:
My original post was to someone who said that Moses was, basically, to ignorant to understand the TOE so God told him this mythical tale.

I explained that Moses was probably one of the most intelligent people of that time, if ever AND that the people of that era could understand the TOE as easily as you and I.

Therefore, said poster's point was mute.

I then offered my view which is that Moses was instructed to write the Genesis account do to the fact that it is the truth. Also, that Moses did not write anything about the TOE because that was not the way it happened. I also stated that it is Satan's lie.

Sorry...regarding the words in red, I can't take this seriously...I just can't.

And it's on you to prove "satan's lie"

 

[JacksBratt]

Considering you don't know how to break up quotes...

If you use the [ bracket and then type the equal sign followed by the posters name and close it with a ] bracket, you can begin to copy their quote. Then close it with a [ bracket then a / the word "quote" and close it with a ] bracket. This will put their quote in a nice, recognizable format. Instead of the method you are using where you state....."From KWCrazy:" etc....

 

[AV1611VET]

Why are you so angry?

He's a Professional Pot Stirrer who's just being true to himself.

 

[JacksBratt]

You wrote:
My original post was to someone who said that Moses was, basically, to ignorant to understand the TOE so God told him this mythical tale.

I explained that Moses was probably one of the most intelligent people of that time, if ever AND that the people of that era could understand the TOE as easily as you and I.

Therefore, said poster's point was mute.

I then offered my view which is that Moses was instructed to write the Genesis account do to the fact that it is the truth. Also, that Moses did not write anything about the TOE because that was not the way it happened. I also stated that it is Satan's lie.

Sorry...regarding the words in red, I can't take this seriously...I just can't.

And it's on you to prove "satan's lie"

So sorry that the little things in life are blocking you from the bigger picture.

You need to relax. I am certainly not submitting my posts with the belief that I am going to be critiqued on my grammar, spelling or any other literary metric.

The trewth iz tha trewth evan if itz spelt rong or not gramaticly correct.

 

[Colter]

If evolution is one of the strongest explanatory theories in any academic field, I mean, the evidence is simply overwhelming, how do Christians reconcile this?

What about the Biblical scholars that generally dismiss Genesis as a "historical" representation... but rather "myth" (however you want to define that)?

I understand I'm courting "controversy" here, but I'd genuinely like to hear this, supposedly, untouchable theological answer.

The way I reconcile it is by realizing that the creation story of the Hebrew priest is just a story written for the child like mind of the common Israelite.

 

[Archivist]

I disagree with your position but I can respect your right to have that opinion. At least you are posting what you believe and are not pushing your belief as fact.
I perfectly accept that I could be wrong, but if so I will be proven wrong by a clarification of Scripture and not by someone claiming, "Science says that didn't happen." People can believe anything they want, but if they state things as a matter of fact they need to be prepared to validate those claims.

I agree. I find it scary when people say that you must believe certain things that go beyond the basic tenants of the faith as fact just because they believe them to be fact.

 

[JacksBratt]

The way I reconcile it is by realizing that the creation story of the Hebrew priest is just a story written for the child like mind of the common Israelite.

Again, ignorance shines through. The "common Israelite" was just as able as you, to accept and comprehend any knowledge.

If you are going to make such a statement, as you have, why not give some sort of evidence to support it. Rather than stating a condescending, racist remark.

 

[AV1611VET]

I agree. I find it scary when people say that you must believe certain things that go beyond the basic tenants of the faith as fact just because they believe them to be fact.

And you'll decide what is the 'basic tenants [sic] of the faith' is, won't you?

 

[Archivist]

And you'll decide what is the 'basic tenants [sic] of the faith' is, won't you?

No, and I never made any such claim. I trust that you have read the Creeds--Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed. The basic tenents of the faith, at least the tenents of the Western Church (our Orthodox brothers and sisters don't agree on the Athanasian Creed), can be found there. Belief in God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I don't recall seeing anything about belief in a literal six-day creation in any of the Creeds.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, and I never made any such claim. I trust that you have read the Creeds--Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed. The basic tenents of the faith, at least of the Western Church, can be found there. Belief in God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I don't recall seeing anything about belief in a literal six-day creation in any of the Creeds.

The creeds?

Is that what you meant by 'the basic tenants [sic] of the faith'?

So you find it scary when people go beyond that?

Does basic doctrine bother you?

 

[Archivist]

The creeds?

Is that what you meant by 'the basic tenants [sic] of the faith'?

You don't think that the creeds state the basic tenents of the faith? And you drop the [sic]. Spelling error on my part. I corrected it.

So you find it scary when people go beyond that?

Never said that. Please don't make stuff up.

Does basic doctrine bother you?

Never said that either.

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't think that the creeds state the basic tenents of the faith?

Then why didn't you say "creeds"?

I mean ... you certainly have a right to word it as you see fit ... but then don't be surprised if someone mistakes something you said.

(I know ... I know ... you never said you were surprised.)

And you drop the [sic]. Spelling error on my part. I corrected it.

It's "tenets" ... not tenants or tenents ... "tenets".

 

[Archivist]

Then why didn't you say "creeds"? I mean ... you certainly have a right to word it as you see fit ... but then don't be surprised if someone mistakes something you said. (I know ... I know ... you never said you were surprised.)

A creed is defined as "a fixed formula summarizing core tenets" so what is wrong with saying "basic tenents" instead of Creed? It means the same thing.

It's "tenets" ... not tenants or tenents ... "tenets".[/QUOTE]

I know. I already told you that I corrected it. I guess you don't make spelling errors.

 

[Colter]

Again, ignorance shines through. The "common Israelite" was just as able as you, to accept and comprehend any knowledge.

If you are going to make such a statement, as you have, why not give some sort of evidence to support it. Rather than stating a condescending, racist remark.

The preist class was literate, often the common man wasn't. Israelite isn't a race, it's more a religio/political conglomeration of followers of Moses the reformer. The proof of evolution is in the factual layers of the old earth, or at least the evidence that many forms of life lived at different times over millions of years. The creation story was a psudo-biographical creation of the Hebrew priesthood intended for their own people. After the return the sacred writings became tradition and eventually written by God just as every other religion evolves.

 

[AV1611VET]

A creed is defined as "a fixed formula summarizing core tenets" so what is wrong with saying "basic tenents" instead of Creed? It means the same thing.

When I think of basic tenents [sic], I think of such things as: the Godhead, verbal plenary inspiration, the Golden Rule, the Great Commission, ontological subordination, ontological reduction, diabolical mimicry, diabolical plagiarism, the Fall, demon possession, demon influence, the sin nature, one's "state" vs one's "standing", the Protevangelium ... and a host of other things.

I know. I already told you that I corrected it. I guess you don't make spelling errors.

No, you didn't correct it.

You changed it from "tenants" to "tenents".

It is neither ... it is "tenets".

And for the record, there's an EDIT button for those who care to proofread their posts and fix their quote tags.

 

[Archivist]

When I think of basic tenents [sic], I think of such things as: the Godhead, verbal plenary inspiration, the Golden Rule, the Great Commission, ontological subordination, ontological reduction, diabolical mimicry, diabolical plagiarism, the Fall, demon possession, demon influence, the sin nature, one's "state" vs one's "standing" ... and a host of other things.

Demon possession? Diabolical plagiarism? Not what I think of when I think of basic tenets of the faith.

No, you didn't correct it. You changed it from "tenants" to "tenents". It is neither ... it is "tenets". And for the record, there's an EDIT button for those who care to proofread their posts and fix their quote tags.

Spelling error. I've said that several several times. I'm human, I make mistakes.

 

[AV1611VET]

Demon possession? Diabolical plagiarism? Not what I think of when I think of basic tenets of the faith.

Ya ... no kidding?

You say "basic tenets," then when someone replies, you say, "I meant the creeds."

The creeds contain the basic tenets, but the basic tenets aren't the creeds.

Spelling error. I've said that several several times. I'm human, I make mistakes.

Whatever.

It's not worth arguing over.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Who's afraid? I have no "fear" of these people...I actually find them to be pitied.

I'm headed to bed...I spent all day today making up power point presentations and quizzes for my students and my brain is now jello. I need to be bright-eyed and bushy tailed for my 8am class tomorrow. I've told my students that instructors are just as not crazy about 8am classes as they are...they know that Ms. X. is not properly caffienated until 8:30. My 10am class is MUCH better.

The biblical writer agreed we should not be "afraid" of those people. Hey, I didn't choose the language! Its in the Bible!