Is following the 10 commandments required for salvation?

[Kenny'sID]

you will murder some one probably ? Possibly ?

Where are you getting reason for these off the wall comments that directly differ from what I just said? How hard is the following to understand?

Not sure what your comment on murder was trying to convey? It's one of the biggies, and I will most likely never do that one, at least in it's purest form.

As to the rest of your post, I guess you are really saying you don't sin. Not sure I've ever heard anyone make that claim, and FWIW, and all respect due...I don't believe you.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No, keeping the ten commands are not necessary for salvation. We are saved by grace through faith, not by works.

The works, as in good works...read this....

Matthew 25:31-46 - The Sheep and the Goats.

...it makes it about as clear as possible what is required.


And I haven't even gone into the other end of that spectrum. Is saying good works can'rt save us, mean we can do bad things willy nilly (continue in our sin) and remain saved. What do you mean by works, does that cover both good and bad? Either way, read this...

Revelation 21:8

...to cover the bad works, and you will see good works and the lack of bad works are what it takes...it's in those two verses and undeniable unless one is so wrapped up in doing as they please, they are in denial. I can quote more verses just like that one if need be, but as it goes with some, it'll do no good if people want to shut their eyes to it.

If we say we are saved by doing nothing but accepting grace, we then set ourselves up to sin because the turning away from sin is not required, and I really don't think that's what God/Christ had in mind, but quit the contrary. However the Devil loves grace only.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Paul also said this in the Book of the Acts of the Apostles
Acts 24:14
But I confess this to you, that I worship the God of our ancestors according to the Way (which they call a sect), believing everything that is according to the law and that is written in the prophets.

If the ten commandments were done away with, being they're not required for salvation because that would then be works based and not based on Gods grace, why did Jesus then spend so much time teaching the ten commandments in the new testament accounts of his ministry?John 15:10

Matthew 19:17 "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

 

[Jim Langston]

No, keeping the ten commands are not necessary for salvation. We are saved by grace through faith, not by works.
Jesus said, if you love me keep my commands. If we love Jesus we love our neighbor as ourselves. Which means we don't steal from them, we don't murder them, we don't lie about them, we don't covet their spouse. Or their material goods.

Hearken back to the scripture that tells us , if we say we hate someone and love God we are a liar! Because when we claim we love God whom we have not seen, how then can we say we hate our neighbor whom we have seen?

The ten commands are all based on love. If we love our parents we respect our parents and honor them. If we love God we cleave unto and worship only God and have no other gods before him. We keep the Sabbath that was made for us, holy. We do not take our Lord's name in vein.

You seem to be contradicting yourself in that you say we don't have to follow the ten commandments but then go on to say we don't steal, we don't murder, we don't lie about them, we don't covet their wives, all of which are a part of the ten commandments. Please elaborate. What of the person who accepts jesus then goes on to steal, murder, lie about and sleep with their neighbor's wives? That is, they do not love their neighbor as theirselves?

I think in light of Jesus saying love thy neighbor as thyself I believe this whole question could be changed to, is loving our neighbors as ourselves required for salvation?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

You seem to be contradicting yourself in that you say we don't have to follow the ten commandments but then go on to say we don't steal, we don't murder, we don't lie about them, we don't covet their wives, all of which are a part of the ten commandments. Please elaborate. What of the person who accepts jesus then goes on to steal, murder, lie about and sleep with their neighbor's wives? That is, they do not love their neighbor as theirselves?

I think in light of Jesus saying love thy neighbor as thyself I believe this whole question could be changed to, is loving our neighbors as ourselves required for salvation?

You are misreading me. Allow me to rephrase. I have said, following the ten commandments does not save us. Gods grace saves us. If the ten commandments saved us that would be works based salvation not grace/faith based salvation.

editing to add:
What seems to be arriving in thread after thread is the idea that the ten commandments no longer apply. When Jesus ministry included the ten commandments, and much of the gospels includes the ten commandment teachings of Jesus, that then becomes a curious question as to how someone could arrive at the idea that the ten are no longer valid. Or, as one person has said, are defunct.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Matthew 19:17 "But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Very GOOD.

That is straight from the MESSIAH.

That is enough by itself , with no other reason, ..... so why do people reject MESSIAH so often ?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Very GOOD.

That is straight from the MESSIAH.

That is enough by itself , with no other reason, ..... so why do people reject MESSIAH so often ?

For the same reason they always have?
Only God knows.
I love this poster because it gives the 10 in contemporary language so as to show they still apply. I mean really, if we're to love our neighbor as ourselves, and love God with all our heart and mind, how can they not?

 

[Jim Langston]

For the same reason they always have?
Only God knows.
I love this poster because it gives the 10 in contemporary language so as to show they still apply. I mean really, if we're to love our neighbor as ourselves, and love God with all our heart and mind, how can they not?

Are you saying a saved person will follow the ten commandments and an unsaved person may, or may not?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Are you saying a saved person will follow the ten commandments and an unsaved person may, or may not?

Did not the MESSIAH Y'SHUA say that those outside the ekklesia were for YHWH to judge, not for the ekklesia to judge ?
It that sense, whatever the unsaved persons do is not the concern of those of us who are born again -- whether the unsaved persons keep the commandments or not doesn't matter to us.

Except as Y'SHUA warned "beware the leaven of the Priests and Pastors and Bishops"//"Scribes and PHarisees" .....
who might indeed keep the commandments (or appear to) , but we are not to live like they live.

 

[DeaconDean]

Fine. Since you consider Jesus making a new covenant and Jesus said "do not kill" then that would be included in the new covenant, would it not?

What does the original Hebrew word convey?

Kill, or murder?

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[DeaconDean]

"Decide for yourself" ? That's not a good idea, I think. Rather, SEEK YHWH.
The TORAH YHWH WROTE ON STONE,
now TORAH YHWH WRITES ON OUR HEARTS.
so keeping TORAH is easier and possible and joyous and willingly and AMAZING GRACE!

The TORAH YHWH WROTE ON STONE, required death for breaking TORAH.

The TORAH YHWH WROTE ON OUR HEARTS < ALSO > requires death for breaking it.

What's the difference ? (i.e. the difference between the old and the new covenant)

Again, Paul said that we are not under the "schoolmaster". And that is what the Law was.

Even with Christ's death on the cross, you cannot place yourself under both the "Law" and "Grace", they are incompatible.

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Also, if anyone knows, what is the original HEBREW
for
"be as harmless as doves".

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Did not the MESSIAH Y'SHUA say that those outside the ekklesia were for YHWH to judge, not for the ekklesia to judge ?
It that sense, whatever the unsaved persons do is not the concern of those of us who are born again -- whether the unsaved persons keep the commandments or not doesn't matter to us.

Except as Y'SHUA warned "beware the leaven of the Priests and Pastors and Bishops"//"Scribes and PHarisees" .....
who might indeed keep the commandments (or appear to) , but we are not to live like they live.

If that were wholly true we would not proselytize to the unsaved. Because were would not be concerned for them.
While the first commandment pertains to love of God and necessarily would not be of importance to those who do not accept God exists.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Even with Christ's death on the cross, you cannot place yourself under both the "Law" and "Grace", they are incompatible.

What do you mean by place yourself under the law ?

Also, is it possible to place yourself under grace ?

Is YHWH gracious, or mean spirited and unforgiving ?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Again, Paul said that we are not under the "schoolmaster". And that is what the Law was.

Even with Christ's death on the cross, you cannot place yourself under both the "Law" and "Grace", they are incompatible.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Does grace then give us license to sin?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If that were wholly true we would not proselytize to the unsaved. Because were would not be concerned for them.

When Y'SHUA and the Apostles and the disciples preached to the unsaved,
were they condemning them ?

When you yourself talk to the unsaved members of your family, your neighbors, and people at the grocery store or at other places about the GOSPEL OF Y'SHUA, do you condemn them ?

Or were they, and were you, giving them the words that lead to life ? (if they repent)

If they go their way and die unsaved, at least they were told and had the opportunity to be saved.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Does grace then give us license to sin?

I think that depends on what or whose jurisdiction you live in.

In the Kingdom of YHWH, there is never a license to sin.

In the kingdom of darkness, there is no license needed - everyone does what they want to do or what they are compelled to do.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

When Y'SHUA and the Apostles and the disciples preached to the unsaved,
were they condemning them ?

When you yourself talk to the unsaved members of your family, your neighbors, and people at the grocery store or at other places about the GOSPEL OF Y'SHUA, do you condemn them ?

Or were they, and were you, giving them the words that lead to life ? (if they repent)
If they go their way and die unsaved, at least they were told and had the opportunity to be saved.

Your prior remarks did not concern condemning non-Christians. They concerned caring about what non-Christians do.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Your prior remarks did not concern condemning non-Christians. They concerned caring about what non-Christians do.

I don't think so. (but don't remember)
Could you quote what you're referring to please.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Romans 3: 20-28

Ephesians 2:8-9