How can the grace of God be resisted by some yet received by others?

[ToBeLoved]

Was it evil to kill an innocent man?

Who is that man? If it is Jesus Christ, yes it was. Jesus tells us in scripture that no one could have taken His life from Him, unless He chose to lay it down.

Given that fact and the fact that Jesus did in obedience what the Father asked of Him, I do believe that Jesus was in control and chose.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Do you believe that for God to be good, He must be fair in trying to save everyone equally?

I believe that God is only good, righteous and fair. That there are many reasons why God did and does the things that He does that I do not know and will probably only know when I meet Him in heaven.

I trust God that He is what He says that He is. That He is just, righteous and perfect in all His ways.

 

[Hammster]

Who is that man? If it is Jesus Christ, yes it was. Jesus tells us in scripture that no one could have taken His life from Him, unless He chose to lay it down.

Given that fact and the fact that Jesus did in obedience what the Father asked of Him, I do believe that Jesus was in control and chose.

Did God plan that evil act?

 

[Hammster]

I believe that God is only good, righteous and fair. That there are many reasons why God did and does the things that He does that I do not know and will probably only know when I meet Him in heaven.

I trust God that He is what He says that He is. That He is just, righteous and perfect in all His ways.

That didn't answer my question.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Did God plan that evil act?

I don't know that that act was evil.

Did the Father asking Jesus to save mankind, was that evil in your opinion? If yes, than God cannot be perfect or righteous or just in your eyes. But even if that is what you think, does not mean that it is true.

Didn't you already say that you believe that God predestined the fall?

 

[ToBeLoved]

That didn't answer my question.

Is there something confusing about my response when I said, "I believe that God is ONLY perfect, righteous, just and fair".

I think that is pretty clear.

 

[Hammster]

I don't know that that act was evil.

Did the Father asking Jesus to save mankind, was that evil in your opinion? If yes, than God cannot be perfect or righteous or just in your eyes. But even if that is what you think, does not mean that it is true.

Didn't you already say that you believe that God predestined the fall?

Is murdering an innocent man an evil act? Yes? No?

 

[Hammster]

Is there something confusing about my response when I said, "I believe that God is ONLY perfect, righteous, just and fair".

I think that is pretty clear.

I understood what you said. But it didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that for God to be good, He must be fair in trying to save everyone equally?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Is murdering an innocent man an evil act? Yes? No?

For mankind with their sinful heart, yes it is according to the 10 Commandments.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I understood what you said. But it didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that for God to be good, He must be fair in trying to save everyone equally?

I don't know. I don't have the extent of knowledge that God has, so I do not judge God, nor do I think anyone should. His ways are not our ways. We, sinful human beings with our hearts do not understand the things of God. Jesus told His disciples that He would tell them the mysteries of heaven, but that they were not spiritually mature enough to understand it. So Jesus did not.

I think it's something like that. God has an enormous perfect, just, plan. I do not know all that God knows, however I do know and trust all that God says in His Word.

If that is not a good enough answer to your question, that I do not judge God, nor will I ever judge God, then I have nothing to tell you.

 

[Hammster]

For mankind with their sinful heart, yes it is according to the 10 Commandments.

Was the crucifixion of Christ ordained by God?

 

[ToBeLoved]

I understood what you said. But it didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that for God to be good, He must be fair in trying to save everyone equally?

So now, why do you not tell me what you believe. It will be interesting to hear a Calvinists perspective.

 

[Hammster]

I don't know. I don't have the extent of knowledge that God has, so I do not judge God, nor do I think anyone should. His ways are not our ways. We, sinful human beings with our hearts do not understand the things of God. Jesus told His disciples that He would tell them the mysteries of heaven, but that they were not spiritually mature enough to understand it. So Jesus did not.

I think it's something like that. God has an enormous perfect, just, plan. I do not know all that God knows, however I do know and trust all that God says in His Word.

If that is not a good enough answer to your question, that I do not judge God, nor will I ever judge God, then I have nothing to tell you.

So you don't know, but you're sure Calvinism is wrong. How does that work?

 

[Hammster]

So now, why do you not tell me what you believe. It will be interesting to hear a Calvinists perspective.

Since God is under no obligation to save anyone, He is good to save whoever He pleases.

 

[ToBeLoved]

So you don't know, but you're sure Calvinism is wrong. How does that work?

Well let's see here. I'll try to explain what I think.

I think that since God is Omniscience that God is not held to time, as in the past, the present and the future. For God to be Omniscience He has to know all at the same time. God is not on earth and God is not held to time. Time was created for earth and the people on earth, to live in this reality. So since God knows all at the same time, I believe that the use of 'predestined' in the Bible may refer to God knowing all, His Omniscience. Since God cannot tell a lie, I think He needed some way to explain to us that He knows all at the same time which is how we got all the predestined text.

I do not believe that God interferes in people's lives except in extenuating circumstances or in those who choose to be His Children, being saved, changing ownership from evil being our master to God being our master. So I think His will is mostly done through His Children who choose God themselves.

Romans 8:27-28
27 And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.

I do not know if the Holy Spirit regenerates someone before they have faith/believe or if they believe/have faith and are then regenerated. But I tend to lean towards one believes and then one is regenerated.

I think what Calvinists view as God controlling what happens (ie predestination) is God telling us from His view how He is without time, Omniscience. I believe that we for the most part choose God and that God knows it will happen but does not interfere to cause it to happen.

Now you explain.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Since God is under no obligation to save anyone, He is good to save whoever He pleases.

I'm wondering if I should regret taking so much time to write up an explanation since you cannot obviously explain using scripture and reason what you think.

So, how can God ONLY give good things, yet have predestined evil? Is God not who He says He is?

 

[Hammster]

I'm wondering if I should regret taking so much time to write up an explanation since you cannot obviously explain using scripture and reason what you think.

So, how can God ONLY give good things, yet have predestined evil? Is God not who He says He is?

Did God predestine the Cross?

 

[Hammster]

Well let's see here. I'll try to explain what I think.

I think that since God is Omniscience that God is not held to time, as in the past, the present and the future. For God to be Omniscience He has to know all at the same time. God is not on earth and God is not held to time. Time was created for earth and the people on earth, to live in this reality. So since God knows all at the same time, I believe that the use of 'predestined' in the Bible may refer to God knowing all, His Omniscience. Since God cannot tell a lie, I think He needed some way to explain to us that He knows all at the same time which is how we got all the predestined text.

I do not believe that God interferes in people's lives except in extenuating circumstances or in those who choose to be His Children, being saved, changing ownership from evil being our master to God being our master. So I think His will is mostly done through His Children who choose God themselves.

Romans 8:27-28
27 And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose.

I do not know if the Holy Spirit regenerates someone before they have faith/believe or if they believe/have faith and are then regenerated. But I tend to lean towards one believes and then one is regenerated.

I think what Calvinists view as God controlling what happens (ie predestination) is God telling us from His view how He is without time, Omniscience. I believe that we for the most part choose God and that God knows it will happen but does not interfere to cause it to happen.

Now you explain.

It's hard to respond to this because you still aren't even sure what you believe except to say that Calvinism is wrong.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Did God predestine the Cross?

I think when God created Adam & Eve with free-will He as a loving Father also created a plan for if Adam & Eve should choose to not listen to God's commands.

So no, I do not believe that the cross was predestined before Adam & Eve were created to happen. I believe that when God gave them free-will, He had decided how He would protect mankind if they chose wrongly.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It's hard to respond to this because you still aren't even sure what you believe except to say that Calvinism is wrong.

I'll let you wonder and ponder.

I've explained much more than you sitting there asking questions with your dull answer. No Calvinists will explain themselves, because they have no idea what they believe.

I will leave you now, I have other important things to do than hold a one-sided conversation with someone more interested in winning an debate, than he is teaching what he believes to be right. Stay humble, Hammster.