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Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and rejoice on the Lords day (sunday)?

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Show me the words in the bible Jesus is the sabbath" I have yet to sre them

If you don't believe the four verses I've already shown you then why would I think you'd believe more?

You say Jesus is the sabbath and it's over then make a new day the sabbath, sunday.

No Sunday was never made the Sabbath.

By your own reasoning you are breaking your own beliefs!

Except that that's not my reasoning. It's a straw man that you dishonestly ascribed to me.

Listen very closly, Jesus dying on the cross for our sins changed nothing of God working six days and resting on the seventh. You say you are baptist? Look at who changed the day of worship from saturday to sunday. Yeah, the pope.

Irrelevant.
 
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Day of rest? Rest from what? What works are Christians bound to that we need "rest"? Christ is our rest.

Imagine you took a job at a company because you needed to work to pay your bills and debts (like we all do). Part of your job is that you get paid vacations. When you want a vacation, you approach the boss and ask to schedule your vacation time and you get that set vacation time off with pay, as a means to rest from your work at that company. As you work there, you grow to love your job. You become friendly with the owner of the company who is your boss. One day, your boss calls you into the office and says "I like you and I have something I want to do for you. I want to give you $50 million so that you can live out your life debt-free and with no expenses. I hope we will remain good friends as well. Do you accept this offer?" You (of course) say "YES!!! Thank you so much! Thank you thank you thank you!!!" But you also add, "You know, working for you has been great and I want to continue. I don't need a paycheck, I will work for free. I want to be part of your company and I want to show you my appreciation by continuing to work for you!" Your boss thanks you and accepts your offer to work for free.

A few weeks later, you approach your boss - no, your friend and say, "Hey, I would like to take next week off as my vacation." Your friend says to you, "OK, so why are you telling me? You don't get 'vacation days' anymore, you are working for free. If you want a day off you can just take it. You don't have a paid job anymore. I can't 'fire' you from a job you don't have. I appreciate your working for free but you have no obligations and therefore no 'vacation days'. You are free. You are free to never come back here again (although I appreciate that you do). So if you want time for vacation just take it."

I think that's how it is for a Christian who wants to keep the Sabbath. They are clinging to the old convention of a set day of rest that was provided under the works-based system of the Law despite the fact that Jesus redeemed us from the debts and expenses of the Law. Jesus is not our task master but our friend. We have no need of "rest" from works that Jesus has already freed us from. Of course, a Christian with a true faith will still take the time to serve Christ and make that his priority but that is not an obligation. It is the natural outcome of a person being thankful for redemption/salvation.

That's how I see the Sabbath. It would feel foolish to me to keep it out of obligation. It's like keeping dietary laws, it is fulfilled in Christ and to keep them is to deny the fulfillment of such laws.

Considering my analogy, imagine if your friend who gave you the $50 million explained what he did to you yet you kept INSISTING that he must approve your "vacation days" and that you take only the limited amount you had before... It would be insulting to him. it would be like saying you don't trust him, you're not grateful for the $50 million, etc. That's how I see it for a Christian to observe the Sabbath as in the 10 commandments. Christ is our Sabbath and we should recognize that and honor that.
 
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http://www.sabbathtruth.com/free-re...6/catholic-church-admits-they-made-the-change

Constantine, emperor, bishop, pope, a man of many titles it would seem.

Constantine, as emporer/bishop made it the day of rest, pope sylvester made it official and then constantine became pope. So, 2 popes.
Constantine the Great, Emperor of Roman, who gave the edict of Sunday worship and that the businesses would be closed, was not pope at any time.
Pope Constantine lived over 300 yrs. later.
Pope Sylvester was Pope during Constantine the Great's reign, followed by Pope Miltiades.
 
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I'm a christian and I rest on Saturday and worship the Lord through songs or read a Psalm or pray on that day. Then I go to church on Sunday.What I mean is that I pray and try to read at least one scripture everyday but on Saturday I devote time to it.I've always felt that the Sabbath was a special day.
 
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Most people with good jobs have weekends off. They never work on either sat or sun. In fact people with bad jobs have both days off as well. Now if your in the restaurant business like me you have neither day off, just one day mid-week.
 
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Romans 14:5-6 KJV One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Colossians 2:13-17 (KJV) 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
 
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Romans 14:5-6 KJV One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Colossians 2:13-17 (KJV) 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

The OP was about what a Christian should do, not judgng others. When the rich man asked Jesus how to get to heaven Jesus answered that he knew the commandments. The man asked which and Jesus answered a number of the ten commandments (none of the mosaic law) and the absence of keeping the sabbath wasn't missed by me. I took from that that attending church didn't save anyone. Following Jesus' and His ways did (believe in, meaning to follow).

If someone goes to church on Saturday, Sunday or never isn't going to determine if they get into heaven or not. That being said, God asked us to keep the seventh day holy and rest on it, so out of respect to God that is what we should do.
 
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Sabbath is whatever day or days you make it to be. The commandment in the Bible was to make Saturday a day of rest. Saturday is the seventh day of the week. If you check your calendar, Sunday is the first day of the week.

Don't want to disturb your wa, but have you seen calendars where the first day of the week is Monday?
 
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Constantine, emperor, bishop, pope, a man of many titles it would seem.

Constantine, as emporer/bishop made it the day of rest, pope sylvester made it official and then constantine became pope. So, 2 popes.

WRONG! Constantine was emperor, true. But he was never ordained at all. As a matter of fact, he wasn't even baptized until weeks before he died. Constantine did attend the first Council at Nicea, but he refused his throne and had a small stool brought in to sit on, to listen to the Church Fathers
 
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Should Christians rest on the Sabbath (saturday) and also rejoice on the Lords day (sunday) ?

I'd like to hear from both Sabbath keeping Christians and Sunday keeping Christians

God bless
I apologise if this is not in the correct area but I just want to say a massive thank you to our Lord and St Jude
 
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I thought you said the Pope changed it?

Constantine, Catholicism, sun worship and the Sabbath to Sunday change
In 312 A.D., prior to his pivotal victory over his rival Maxentius at the Battle of Milvian Bridge, Constantine became a “Christian” after claiming to see in broad daylight a vision of “a cross above the sun” with these words emblazoned, “in hoc signo vinces” (by this sign conquer”). After defeating his enemies and becoming Emperor of Rome, Constantine presided in full royal pomp over the “First Council of Nicea” in 325 A.D.

A shrewd political genius, his scheme was to unite paganism and Christianity in an effort to strengthen his disintegrating empire. Constantine knew that pagans throughout the empire worshiped the sun on “the first day of the week,” and he discovered that many Christians and especially in Rome and Alexandria also kept ‘Sunday’ because Christ rose from the dead on that day. So Constantine developed a plan to unite both groups on the common platform of Sunday keeping. On March 7, 321 A.D., he passed his famous national Sunday law:

On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol.3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p.380, note 1.


And another source: “Let all judges and townspeople and occupations of all trades rest on the venerable day of the Sun [Sunday]; nevertheless, let those who are situated in the rural districts freely and with full liberty attend to the cultivation of the fields, because it so frequently happens that no other day may be so fitting for ploughing grains or trenching vineyards, lest at the time the advantage of the moment granted by the provision of heaven may be lost.The Code of Justinian, Book 3, title 12, law 3.


Now a professed Christian, Constantine nevertheless remained a devout sun worshipper. “The sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine,” notes Edward Gibbon in his classic Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, ch. xx, par. 3.

Constantine even printed coins which “bore on the one side the letters of the name of Christ, on the other the figure of the sun god.” Arthur P. Stanley, History of the Eastern Church, lect. vi, par. 14.



" “The Jewish, the Samaritan, even the Christian, were to be fused and recast into one great system, of which the sun was to be the central object of adoration.” Henry Milman, The History of Christianity, Book 2, chap. 8, Vol. 22, p. 175. In 330 A.D., Constantine moved his capital from Rome to Constantinople (modern Istanbul), thus preparing the way for the Roman Catholic Popes to reign in Rome as the successors of Constantine. As the Papal Church grew in power, it opposed Sabbath observance in favour of Sunday sacredness and made the day change official in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 363-364). Constantine’s plan was successful and the result of his Sunday law was now fully accepted and adopted by the Papal Church, and the Sabbath to Sunday change was complete. Some correctly teach that Constantine only instituted the first Sunday law, but they very conveniently fail to acknowledge why and the remainder of the story. The Council of Laodicea around A.D. 364 decreed 59 Canon laws. Canon XXIX:Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.” (Percival Translation).

Did God give the fourth Commandment only to the Jews and the other nine to everyone?
Someone always raises the stale argument that the Sabbath is only a sign of holiness for the Jews, but let me remind them of this inspired text: “if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:29. All born again Christians are the true Israel today and have been sanctified unto God. Therefore, the Sabbath is for anyone who is Christ’s regardless of these fourth coming facts." "


Source and full article:
Who Changed The Sabbath to Sunday?
What is the real historical and Biblical truth about who changed the Sabbath to Sunday? Where in the Bible do we find one single legitimate scripture stating the Sabbath is changed to Sunday?
 
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Most people with good jobs have weekends off. They never work on either sat or sun. In fact people with bad jobs have both days off as well. Now if your in the restaurant business like me you have neither day off, just one day mid-week.

I have worked for many companies; some good, some bad. I have had to work odd hours, too. I one time had a job where I was working nights on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Usually in a case like that I would be asleep at any time for church in the morning. How is the working guy with such a schedule supposed to find a church open on Sunday afternoon? Or Saturday? Or any day?

The Sabbath is not one of the commands brought through to the New Covenant. All we have to do is Love God with all your mind, heart and strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself. If we do those things, then we don't have to worry about what day of the week on which we feel led to worship. And if you feel that it is a command to worship on a certain day, they go for it. I for one will not condemn you. But please give us the freedom to worship as the Holy Spirit leads us.

I am a monk, now, so I pray and worship every day, not just one. But you haven't seen me recommending anyone else to follow the path I am treading. Please give us the same respect.
 
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Please read a good Church History, one by one of the Pre-Reformation scholars. You will find that this last post of your is BUMPF!

That's not a lot of respect for the reformation now is it. I'll stick with what was written at the time by Constantine and all involved in creating the history you apparently don't approve.
 
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The Sabbath has been changed from Saturday to Sunday, just as the Passover has been changed into the Holy Eucharist and circumcision has been changed into baptism. The New Covenant has changed a great deal of things.

NO IT HAS NOT. The Sabbath is the Sabbath, it is NOT on SUNDAY.
 
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That's not a lot of respect for the reformation now is it. I'll stick with what was written at the time by Constantine and all involved in creating the history you apparently don't approve.

As a Melkite Catholic, with a patriarch in Antioch (where believers were FIRST called Christians), I don't necessarily have to have a lot of respect for the Reformation, do I?

However, I do respect it! There were a lot of things going on in the Roman Catholic Church that were corrupt, and were addressed by the Reformation and the Counter-Reformation. The selling of indulgences was denounced by several Popes, including Pope Paul VI

I will agree with you that quite a few bad things have happened in the RCC, but as they come to light, the RCC is cleaning them up. For instance, because of the pedophilia scandal you would not believe how hard it is to work for the Church. And that applies to the whole Communion of Catholic Churches, not just the RCC.

BTW, all of the evidence before Constantine leads us to believe that Christians were already worshiping on Sunday.
 
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