Real time or evo time?

[AirPo]

But you don't even know what their limits are -- you use nothing but your own guesswork... and I've never seen you acknowledge any limits of your own.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. It is not guesswork. It's imagination, hyper imagination. There are no limits in The HI Theory.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Velocity CANNOT be a function of time unless times exists!....

That is why it is deluded to state that time has stopped for stars that we can see, dad. Light has a velocity. No time = no velocity = no light detected from the star !

 

[RealityCheck01]

Wrong....

Fact less, insulting rants are still wrong in a science thread, dad.
Amy rational person knows that time exists out to billions of light years because we see light from stars from 1 AU to billions of light years away!

 

[RealityCheck01]

Since you have NO clue about time or time and space in the far universe, you have no ability to know. Your comments are religious opinion with severe bias, and no worth.

That is a lie, dad, because we have many clues about space and time in the far universe, e.g. the simple fact that stars, galaxies, etc. exist in the far universe. Total ignorance about science - it is not a religion.
A long list of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. started on 4 August 2016 for dad.

 

[RealityCheck01]

We have covered the following rungs on the cosmic distance ladder:

1. Parallax (a concept that children can understand)
2. Parallax applied to clusters of stars
3. Secular Parallax
4. Statistical Parallax
5. Kinematic Distance
6. Expansion Parallax
7. Cepheid variables (high school level science)
8. Type 1a supernova (first year astronomy students)

This is the real world, not A long list of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. started on 4 August 2016 for dad.

The ABC's of Distances

Light Echo Distance
The center elliptical ring around SN1987A in the LMC appears to be due to an inclined circular ring around the progenitor. When the pulse of ultraviolet light from the supernova hit the ring, it lit up in ultraviolet emission lines which were observed by the International Ultraviolet Explorer (IUE). The first detection of these lines at time, t1, and also the time when the lines from the last part of the ring to be illuminated, t2, were both clearly evident in the IUE light curve of the UV lines.
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This is a rather specialized method where the Expansion Parallax method is applied to light being echoed from distant structures around stars.

 

[dad]

But you don't even know what their limits are -- you use nothing but your own guesswork... and I've never seen you acknowledge any limits of your own.

Yes we know the limits, man has never been out of the solar system, and even our probes are on the fringes only. We know what is unknown, such as the state of the future or past.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes we know the limits, man has never been out of the solar system, and even our probes are on the fringes only. We know what is unknown, such as the state of the future or past.

If that is so, then you don't really know anything, do you? Man was last on the moon over 40 years ago, so all we know about it is from the past. You can't tell me that the Moon is in the same state now as it was in the past, can you?

 

[dad]

That is why it is deluded to state that time has stopped for stars that we can see, dad. Light has a velocity. No time = no velocity = no light detected from the star !

No. Light has squat when space and time are different. The velocity is here. Here in the fishbowl of earth and area. Anything we see moving will have velocity here. If it were somewhere else with no time then forget the notion of velocity as per your intuition.

 

[dad]

Amy rational person knows that time exists out to billions of light years because we see light from stars from 1 AU to billions of light years away!

No, prove it. You look under your nose and make big claims. That ain't right in a science thread.

 

[dad]

That is a lie, dad, because we have many clues about space and time in the far universe, e.g. the simple fact that stars, galaxies, etc. exist in the far universe. Total ignorance about science - it is not a religion.

Don't mistake unbelief in religious slobber as ignorance of it.

 

[dad]

If that is so, then you don't really know anything, do you?

Yes I do. Jesus made this universe and lives outside it. Believers go to be with Him there every time we die, in a moment. Angels have come from there to here and told us stuff that transcends time. It is manscience that doesn't know anything hardly.

Man was last on the moon over 40 years ago, so all we know about it is from the past. You can't tell me that the Moon is in the same state now as it was in the past, can you?

Cheap attempt to try to conflate the very recent past with the early creation era of earth, and antediluvian days.

 

[RealityCheck01]

Don't mistake ....

I do not mistake the ignorance, fantasies, delusions, etc. in your posts for anything but ignorance, fantasies, delusions, etc.
13 September 2016 dad: A lie because we have many clues about space and time in the far universe, e.g. the simple fact that stars, galaxies, etc. exist in the far universe.
A long (31 items) list of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. started on 4 August 2016 for dad.

 

[RealityCheck01]

We have covered the following rungs on the cosmic distance ladder:

1. Parallax (a concept that children can understand)
2. Parallax applied to clusters of stars
3. Secular Parallax
4. Statistical Parallax
5. Kinematic Distance
6. Expansion Parallax
7. Light Echo Distance
8. Cepheid variables (high school level science)
9. Type 1a supernova (first year astronomy students)

This is the real world, not A long (31 items) list of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. started on 4 August 2016 for dad.

The ABC's of Distances

Spectroscopic Visual Binaries
If a binary orbit is observed both visually and spectroscopically, then both the angular size and the physical size of the orbit are known. The ratio gives the distance.

 

[dad]

I do not mistake the ignorance, fantasies, delusions, etc. in your posts for anything but ignorance, fantasies, delusions, etc.

I'd like to give you the chance to get back to us when you can do more than rage and blather.

13 September 2016 dad: A lie because we have many clues about space and time in the far universe, e.g. the simple fact that stars, galaxies, etc. exist in the far universe.

The fact that there are real stars does not mean they got here how you claim are as far as you claim, or as big, or that time itself exists there as it does here. Your best bet is to admit great ignorance here.

A long (31 items) list of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. started on 4 August 2016 for dad.

Yet you will neither admit defeat on all items, nor discuss details of one here. Why is that? Hoo ha.

 

[dad]

We have covered the following rungs on the cosmic distance ladder:

1. Parallax (a concept that children can understand)

That involves taking a slice of space and time near earth, and pretending the same realities extend to the stars. That is no distance measure.

1. 
   

   [*]Parallax applied to clusters of stars
   [*]Secular Parallax
   [*]Statistical Parallax
   [*]Kinematic Distance

1. 
   "Kinematics is used in astrophysics to describe the motion of celestial bodies and collections of such bodies..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinematics

The motion of bodies tells us how far they are...how exactly. I dare you to explain the best you can...

• Expansion Parallax

• Light Echo Distance

• Cepheid variables (high school level science)

• Type 1a supernova (first year astronomy students)

1. "From the light curve and the photometric data, two values can be determined; the average apparent magnitude, m, of the star and its period in days. In the example above the Cepheid has a mean apparent magnitude of 15.56 and a period of 4.76 days.
2. Knowing the period of the Cepheid we can now determine its mean absolute magnitude, M, by interpolating on the period-luminosity plot. The one shown below is based on Cepheids within the Milky Way."

http://www.atnf.csiro.au/outreach/education/senior/astrophysics/variable_cepheids.html

Would I be correct is assuming that time is involved in the calculations of 'distance' here?? Hoo ha.

 

[RealityCheck01]

That involves taking a slice of space and time near earth,...

16 September 2016 dad: A lie (parallax has been explained several times to him) and repeated delusions about space and time.

 

[RealityCheck01]

I'd like to give you the chance to get back to us when you can do more than rage and blather

16 September 2016 dad: A delusion that presenting valid real world science is "rage and blather".
Persisting in digging yourself into a deeper pit of denied science, unanswered questions, fantasies, delusion, etc. violates a basic rule of digging yourself into a pit - the first thing to do is stop digging !

16 September 2016 dad: The post ends with a lie since I have already discussed details of several of the items here.

But I will repeat the details of 1 item again expecting the "time does not exist /dances the fandango" delusion from you yet again dad.
21 July 2016 dad: Stars demonstrate laws of physics that have not changed measurably over changes of billons of years.

As an example: how stars work is a mixture of nuclear physics, gravitation and gas laws. When we look at stars we see light from the past. So a galaxy a billion light years away is a billon years old. But there is no evidence that the stars in far galaxies are different from local stars. So we have laws of physics that have not changed measurably over changes of billons of years.

This includes time varying because galaxies increase metallicity (make sure you learn what the word means in astronomy dad!) as time passes. Metallicity does not change measurably decrease until we get to ~10 billion light years. So time has ticked away as we expected for those 10 billion years.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes I do. Jesus made this universe and lives outside it. Believers go to be with Him there every time we die, in a moment. Angels have come from there to here and told us stuff that transcends time. It is manscience that doesn't know anything hardly.

Cheap attempt to try to conflate the very recent past with the early creation era of earth, and antediluvian days.

You believe in a same state past, yet you criticize science for doing the same.

 

[AirPo]

No, prove it. You look under your nose and make big claims. That ain't right in a science thread.

No, prove it. You look under your nose and make big claims. That ain't right in a science thread.

Good thing this isn't a science thread. It's a HI Theory thread. The closest it gets to science is science fiction.

 

[AirPo]

Don't mistake unbelief in religious slobber as ignorance of it.

Everyone understands that the HI Theory is just religious slobber. Such slobber, it doesn't deserve any respect. The smug arrogance, the pathological lieing, the cowardely . Expoliting God to promote one's own fantasy is inexcusable. To do it for over ten years is even worse. At least AV has faith.