Real time or evo time?

[AirPo]

The nearest one being our own Sun -- approximately 93 million miles away.

That is not a star.

There you have it folks, the HI Theory in five words. And we still have no idea if it's an elaborate Family fang style prank from the author of Poe's Law, or if there is someone out there in the real world who is ignorant and arrogant enough to proclaim the sun is not a star.

 

[sjastro]

dad said: ↑
Nope, you don't get to make stuff up!

I almost fell off my chair when I read this.

I find you get this type of response from individuals who are so totally out of their depth, they need to create the impression of comprehension oblivious of the unintentional humour that is created.

 

[AirPo]

I almost fell off my chair when I read this.

I find you get this type of response from individuals who are so totally out of their depth, they need to create the impression of comprehension oblivious of the unintentional humour that is created.

Or it's the best Poe ever.

 

[sjastro]

That is not a star. You can call it a star all you like, and fit it into your idea of the universe, where stars are suns. You cannot do that with authority or knowledge though. So let's not play with words. In the bible a star was not the sun. In science, using beliefs about time existing the same and such, they have concluded that stars are huge. But if distances are not known, then sizes are sure not known. Correct?

Aren't we being a bit hypocritical here.
Your seem to pick and choose from the Bible when it suits you.
The Bible suggests a geocentric view of the Universe , you are being an apostate by even bringing up the subject of stellar parallax which clearly contradicts the Bible.

 

[dad]

This is the Sun, dad.

Not according to the Almighty. Since you have NO clue about time or time and space in the far universe, you have no ability to know. Your comments are religious opinion with severe bias, and no worth.

 

[dad]

Space and time is everywhere in the universe..

Excellent that you know this, so prove it? Show us how time exists with space exactly as time exists here in the fishbowl? Ha. Busted ye be.

 

[dad]

I would repeat yet again the science that establishes that stars are 1 AU to 4 light years to millions to billions of light years away from our solar system.

Wrong. It is believed time exists in the unknown space of the far universe, and distances in your religious dreams are based on believing it does. What a silly little godless scam.

 

[dad]

According to you -- not God.

According to the Scripture Jesus verified was true.

But you don't know that -- and that's the point, isn't it? You and your computer monitor exist in two different spaces, and, as far as you know, two different times.

The fact is that life in the fishbowl is well explored and known. Time differences in the fishbowl simply are not an issue of relevance in this thread. You need to show that fishbowl time zones extend to infinity. Otherwise, confine your little speculations to man and his little world.

Why don't you answer the first question before going off on others.... can you be sure of anything as far as your own kitchen? If so, how?

No one cares what people feel certain about or believe here, now do they? The issue is what can be evidenced and proven and known, and demonstrated as true. You do not know what time is, let alone exactly what is is like in deep space, face it. Because of that your weird models and fables about universe origins are garbage. Really.

I see the fable told in today's science news, as if it was true and real. Truly truly truly ridiculous and offensive to believers, and intelligent honest men.

"
In such a dense environment the Universe appeared like an 'opaque' fog, as light particles could not travel any significant distance before colliding with electrons.

As the cosmos expanded, the Universe grew cooler and more rarefied and, after about 380,000 years, finally became 'transparent'. By then, particle collisions were extremely sporadic and photons could travel freely across the cosmos.

..
The release of the CMB happened at the time when electrons and protons joined to form hydrogen atoms. This is the first moment in the history of the cosmos when matter was in an electrically neutral state.

After that, a few hundred million years passed before these atoms could assemble and eventually give rise to the Universe's first generation of stars.

As these first stars came to life, they filled their surroundings with light, which subsequently split neutral atoms apart, turning them back into their constituent particles: electrons and protons. Scientists refer to this as the 'epoch of reionisation'. It did not take long for most material in the Universe to become completely ionised, and -- except in a very few, isolated places -- it has been like that ever since.

Observations of very distant galaxies hosting supermassive black holes indicate that the Universe had been completely reionised by the time it was about 900 million years old. The starting point of this process, however, is much harder to determine and has been a hotly debated topic in recent years."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160902125859.htm

Total fabrication and lies.

But you claim to be able to see out of the fishbowl, do you not?

Only by the words the Almighty gave us.

You can see the stars which, according to you, do not exist in the same space and time as we do.

Be honest, I have simply asked the question if we know that they are! I did not claim it to be a specific way. In other words for the God damned fables of false science to be valid, they would need to know. They don't. That invalidates their fables.

 

[dad]

Leaving aside your cheap personal shots your comment makes no grammatical or logical sense ("if time exited in a different way"), but is a crystal clear example of a strawman argument at work.

In other words if there was no time at all, or if what time did exist out there was very different than time as we know it. If there were, for example 'less' time in the space and time mix, then it would take less time for anything to happen! So, instead of taking a billion years, maybe it would take, say, four minutes...or whatever...different. You don't know. You look at time on earth and then assume it is the same. Why??

I answered your question on the basis of the Wikipedia links that you provided for light cones and events.
Neither makes any references to the Bible, nor can an event occur without time.
Also you have no idea of what I think about time.

If you used an article from wiki on time you were bound to fail. May as well ask some kid at a lemonade stand on the highway.

Try going back to your link on light cones and reading it carefully. The penny might drop.

What will we find in the article exactly that relates to something discussed here? Spit it out.

Amazing, openly declaring you cannot think for yourself but telling me to think out of the box.

I can think for myself. Try claiming people openly declare what they actually do declare.

You can get on your high horse and make pontifications despite being clueless about the size of your fishbowl.

Fishbowl?? I usually go with a rough estimate of the fishbowl as about the size of the solar syatem. However, if you show proof it is bigger, we can tweak that. The fishbowl simply is a figure of speach meant to denote the limits of man's realm.

Why hasn't God provided you with this information and what happens if the fishbowl is infinitely large.
Now that would be very embarrassing.

No worries. The bible has clues, so we do not need to rely on science making stuff up.

The best for last.
The event horizon is the maximum distance where light reaches the observer IN A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME.

Cute. Period of time!!!?? Ha. Since you have no idea what time is like, or if it exists in the far universe no period of time can be used. This is so easy.

Since you have admitted the horizon extends beyond the fishbowl means that time extends to the horizon as well.

False! I just know what science means when they use that term, to sort of mean the extent we can see in the observed universe. Though they can see far, they cannot see time! Therefore, praytell, how can you say time exists as far as we see??

 

[sjastro]

Repeat

 

[sjastro]

False! I just know what science means when they use that term, to sort of mean the extent we can see in the observed universe. Though they can see far, they cannot see time! Therefore, praytell, how can you say time exists as far as we see??

Stop violating that unofficial commandment "Thou shalt not lie".

Your understanding of science is zero as exemplified that you still don't get it about light cones.
If you were astute enough you would realize from the Wiki article a light cone is a mathematical representation of an event.
For you to ridiculously assert that light cones need to be seen indicates the level you operate at.
Your problem is you know nothing about the language of mathematics and attempt to make a literal interpretation of a mathematical concept.
You read an article stating that Minkowski space uses an imaginary time axis and therefore conclude it has been conjured up in someone's mind yet the time axis is based on mathematical imaginary numbers.

If you actually understood the meaning of the term "event horizon" you would never have stated it extends beyond your fishbowl knowing very well it would completely destroy your argument.

Now that the cat is out of the bag, the issue is over, there is no fishbowl and time extends throughout the Universe.
Get over it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The fact is that life in the fishbowl is well explored and known.

But you can't tell us how big your fishbowl is. As far as you know, the fishbowl extends only as far as you personally can see... Can you tell us with certainty and authority that time and apace exist anywhere you aren't?

 

[AirPo]

Not according to the Almighty. Since you have NO clue about time or time and space in the far universe, you have no ability to know. Your comments are religious opinion with severe bias, and no worth.

In this one, the projectioin is strong.

 

[dad]

Stop violating that unofficial commandment "Thou shalt not lie"

Stop quoting God if you don't believe in Him.

Your understanding of science is zero as exemplified that you still don't get it about light cones.
If you were astute enough you would realize from the Wiki article a light cone is a mathematical representation of an event.

If you were astute enough you would realize that it is a fishbowl event, based on physics of the fishbowl, and only projected onto the universe by imagination and faith alone.

For you to ridiculously assert that light cones need to be seen indicates the level you operate at.

For you to think there were cones anywhere but your head shows the level you operate at.

Your problem is you know nothing about the language of mathematics and attempt to make a literal interpretation of a mathematical concept.

The concept of combining time with space is a convenient exercise in belief based thinking. The idea is no better than the idea of combining time as some imaginary dimension or whatever idiocy they claim. Fine as long as you do NOT talk about the far corners of creation.

You read an article stating that Minkowski space uses an imaginary time axis and therefore conclude it has been conjured up in someone's mind yet the time axis is based on mathematical imaginary numbers.

Show the basis then? Get off the high horse.

If you actually understood the meaning of the term "event horizon" you would never have stated it extends beyond your fishbowl knowing very well it would completely destroy your argument.

Tell us if the event horizon is in the solar system? Do you have any clue what you are talking about?? There IS NO event horizon in reality, that is just religious rot and fishbowl philosophy projected onto the universe and some lie about how it was created. Pure pure pure uncut belief based rubbish.

Once again, the fishbowl is the realm of man, where we have seen or been directly.

 

[dad]

But you can't tell us how big your fishbowl is.

As far as man has gone or had probe go...that still had reliable properly intered data transmitted.

 

[sjastro]

Tell us if the event horizon is in the solar system? Do you have any clue what you are talking about?? There IS NO event horizon in reality, that is just religious rot and fishbowl philosophy projected onto the universe and some lie about how it was created. Pure pure pure uncut belief based rubbish.

How many times will it take to get through your THICK SKULL before it sinks in.
If there is no time beyond on a certain boundary there is no velocity which is a function of time hence the speed of light can only exist up to the boundary. Since nothing can be observed beyond that boundary the event horizon is simply the radius of your fishbowl.
You now have absurd scenario that every observable object in the Universe must be compressed within your fishbowl.

The issue is finished and does not warrant any further discussion.
You have been comprehensively routed and have to accept that time extends throughout the Universe.

What does require discussion is why you chickened out in responding to this.
Real time or evo time?

I ask you again do you believe the earth rotates around the Sun or do you follow the the geocentric version in the Bible?

 

[AirPo]

Stop quoting God if you don't believe in Him.

Stop quoting science if you don't believe it.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel

 

[TLK Valentine]

As far as man has gone or had probe go...that still had reliable properly intered data transmitted.

And do you trust those "probes," knowing that they possibly have already exited our time and space?

Why? Is it because of the radio signals they send back? You consider radio waves more reliable than your own eyes?

You have a great faith in science after all, don't you?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Stop quoting God if you don't believe in Him.

We didn't realize God belonged to you and you alone.

 

[lesliedellow]

Nope, you don't get to make stuff up.

I will second that.