Some things learned when coming out of atheism and evolutionism...[moved]

[Nithavela]

Though I am aware of some number of Christian scientists that have helped put men on the moon, I must admit I am not all too familiar with any sort of crows, dolphins, or octopuses, that may have likewise assisted in similar such endeavors.

Is it hard to miss a point by that far?

 

[lesliedellow]

In regards to your claim about money being the motivator of atheism, I don't buy it.

Motivator would be the wrong word. Affluence creates an environment where people feel independent, and in particular, yjey can get by without God, thank you very much. Post Modernism is probably the end point of that process. Nowadays people resent having their hands tied even by the concept of objective truth. Consumerism gone mad.

 

[bhsmte]

Motivator would be the wrong word. Affluence creates an environment where people feel independent, and in particular, yjey can get by without God, thank you very much. Post Modernism is probably the end point of that process. Nowadays people resent having their hands tied even by the concept of objective truth. Consumerism gone mad.

What about good old fashion; I can't reconcile the Christian story with reality, so I don't believe it?

Would that ever factor in?

 

[lesliedellow]

What about good old fashion; I can't reconcile the Christian story with reality, so I don't believe it?

Would that ever factor in?

I can't speak for America, but in Britain probably not, because most atheists over here could more properly be called apatheists.

 

[Armoured]

Though I am aware of some number of Christian scientists that have helped put men on the moon, I must admit I am not all too familiar with any sort of crows, dolphins, or octopuses, that may have likewise assisted in similar such endeavors.

Nor many 6 year old humans.

 

[bhsmte]

I can't speak for America, but in Britain probably not, because most atheists over here could more properly be called apatheists.

Would you consider yourself apathetic towards religious beliefs that are not Christian?

 

[VirOptimus]

I was raised in the Bible belt but declared myself an atheist at 14. But...the Almighty came knocking at my door. Maybe He is knocking at some reader's door right now. Here are some things I learned when I escaped the dark and deceiving doubt box:
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Most atheism can be traced to evolutionary indoctrination. Let's see how pseudo science is being used to convince you that you are nothing but an ape update who sprang from some evidenceless and antiscientific primal pond type scenario, and who certainly doesn't have a Creator Who...loves...you. Then let's look at some real science, a bit outside the box.
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We have been told that life came from inorganic matter. Now, science must have observable data to be valid and must not ignore the actual data. The actual data, per the LAW of Biogenesis? Life always comes only from life and life of the same kind. Theories are fine if they don't defy the actual evidence. Even in labs, with intelligent design and high tech equipment, life has never been created. The best they can do is take a cell and alter it with genetic engineering, or get some of the components of the cell, not all of them at all.
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The needed proteins and other components of a cell are not only not all there, they are not arranged as they need to be arranged - in statistically impossible ways if random chance had put them together. No one has even gotten close to creating life. It should be easy. Just take a simple cell or any life form that has died. There you have all the components of life. So why can't anyone do a Dr. Frankenstein on any of them? (And kindly don't say that evolution doesn't "do" abiogenesis. Look. It's in evolution writings and documentaries, and all over the net and YT.)
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We have also been told as gawd's truth scientific fact that a 3 foot high ape type creature, an Australopithecus, Lucy, was your great, great etc. granny. Based on? Some minor similarities, namely "similar homology" namely the Correlation Does Not Imply Causation logical fallacy. The fact that she was pretty much like any other ol' Australopithecus was irrelevant to them. Incomplete Comparison logical fallacy.
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Since evolutionists are always disagreeing with one another on everything, now some of them say, No, it wasn't Lucy but some other such creature. Some creature with no evidence it existed. Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy.
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Now how do they know Lucy et al even had a single descendant, much less one significantly different from it, much less one that could cross the impossible genus barrier? Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy.
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Guess for how long any "transitions" are missing between you and Lucy or some other transition du jour? Oh, for just 2 to 5 million Darwin years! The rocks say no transitions exist. The evo spin, their Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy, tells you, again as gawd's truth scientific fact, that they are just "missing." Riiiight.
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We've also been told that we came via a fish, specifially Tiktaalik. The story goes that this...fish...was found in just the right place for a "transition". Problem is, it's 100% nothing but a...fish. See Wiki describing it as "an extinct species of lobe finned fish." Look at the fossil of Tiktaalik, which is mostly missing. Do those tiny fin fragments look like they could be said to be turning into legs - without the presuming omniscience logical fallacy? Yet we see all sorts of fanciful drawings of Tik with long, muscular legs bending as it transits, supposedly, to land. The real evidence? In countless billions of fossils and in living examples, all we ever see are 100% fish and 100% tetrapods/four legged animals. (No, mud skippers and "walking" catfish are not transitions. They are using their 100% fins in an unusual way, similar to a flying fish which is no way turning into a bird.)
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Evolutionists are constantly picking up fossils like Tiktaalik from the ground and telling you, for up to over a 100 million Darwin years, what happened to their invisible and evidenceless countless billions of "descendants." Never ask them how to tell a missing link from a non existent link. You will get no answer that makes any sense whatsoever. And then they accuse Christians of being into "magical thinking."
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After over 150 years evolution is still a theory. It doesn't have the evidence needed to elevate it to the status of a scientific LAW. You are not an ape update. You are infinitely more than that. Here is some actual, observable and documented evidence, to help you see that:
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Now in the Bible we are told of a Man Who believed in Adam and Eve and Noah as being actual, historical figures. The Bible says He did miracles and told others to do things like raise the dead and heal the sick. It also describes His death and burial. Is there any actual scientific data to support those stories?
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See secular news reports about Val Thomas, dead for 17 hours but now alive and normal after prayers from her family and her Church.

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See Medical Marvel Beyond Chance, from a secular source, with a pediatrician giving his report. this one attesting to a dying child's healing which cannot be explained by modern medicine, and came after a relative laid hands on her and prayed for her.

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Here is some more documented, scientific, evidence, not nearly all of it at all. See CBN's short vid Dean Braxton. You'll hear his critical care doctor, rated the best patient care doctor in Washington state, saying "It is a miracle...a miracle..." that Braxton is alive, has no brain damage and is normal in every way. Why? He had no heart beat and no respiration for 1 3/4 hours! His family believed in divine healing and they and others were praying for him.

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Also see CBN Dr. Chauncey Crandall Raises A Man From The Dead.

Part 1. This video is a bit faded but has the most complete information on this story.
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Get Dr. Richard Casdorph's book The Miracles. There he gives medical documentation for miracles, mostly, but not all, from Kathryn Kuhlman's healing services. Casdorph came to Kuhlman's meetings to debunk her but turned into a supporter, as did other doctors. You can see him and other doctors in some of her healing services on YT. (She is now deceased.) Delores Winder is one of the cases documented in his book. You can watch her amazing story on YT with Sid Roth.

Skip to 1:31 to miss the book ad.
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The book The Audacity of Prayer by Don Nordin lists medically documented miracles.
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On Andrew Wommack's vids you can see doctors talking about "miracles" too. Check out the YT vid with the opthamologist who says Yes, Ronald Coyne could see out of an empty eye socket after a faith healer prayed for him. You can see him doing demos. At the end of the book Don't Limit God you see a medical statement by a doctor saying that his patient used to have M.S. and diabetes but is now cured. Do you think that Someone Who can raise the dead and heal people of deadly "incurable" diseases, Someone Who created time, space, matter, energy and you - needed "evolution" to make life forms? No, He created them fully formed and fully functional in 6 days just as Genesis, a Book He always supported, tells you.
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Then there is the Shroud of Turin. If you don't know, the Shroud is a linen burial shroud with the faint image of a crucified man on it. If you have heard that the Shroud was proven to be a Medieval fake based on carbon 14 testing, in the documentary Jesus And The Shroud of Turin you can see the very inventor of carbon 14 testing saying that the sample was invalid due to contamination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTtDhvk_aw4
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The vid demonstrates many miraculous features such as pollen from Jerusalem and faint images of flowers that are found only in the Jerusalem area during the spring, as at Passover when Messiah was crucified. With modern technology we also see that the Shroud has an x ray quality which reveals bones and dentition of the Man on the Shroud.
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In the 70s a NASA scientist noticed the Shroud's photographs had inexplicable, unique in the world, qualities. He got up a team of scientists, called STURP, to examine it in person in Italy. (No, the Shroud is not "just a Catholic thing" as the Vatican only came into possession of it fairly recently in history.) They used NASA, and other, high tech equipment with 100s of thousands of hours of research. Their findings are seen all over the net and were published in respected science journals.
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The team was composed of 3 Jews, at least one agnostic and one atheist, and people of various faiths. They all agreed on these things: There is no paint on the Shroud and they have no clue how the image got there. It exactly matches, down to blood stains where a crown of thorns would be, the description of Messiah's death and burial as given in the Bible, what NT writers report. The image could not be duplicated with modern technology.
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These miracles are not what many would call proof. But they are certainly evidence. In a court of law you generally rely on evidence, not proof, as the actual crime is historical and cannot usually be observed (unless there was a video cam.)
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About the Shroud I say "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, maybe it's a duck." Maybe that Man on the Shroud is your very Best Friend and Savior. I pray you will find that out.
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You're going to need a miracle some day friend. They are out there in abundance for those who humbly seek them from their Creator, the One Who made all that DNA out there, and Who said, "Whoever comes to Me I will no way cast out."
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If anyone wants to argue over any of the above, I just bet someone here would like to take you on. Not me. I feel that if someone didn't see what I already said, they aren't going to see anything else I say. To me it's so obvious. But...even if someone doesn't "get it" now, perhaps they will later. I pray for that. Blessings and bye.

Tl; dr.

Nice copy and paste.

Now, make your own post with your own arguments.

 

[SteveB28]

Most modern atheism flows from that most seductive of all idols - money. The New Testament seems to be well aware of just how seductive it is:

The love of money is the root of all evil; It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.....; You cannot serve both God and mammon, and so on.

Compared to their ancestors, most people in the West today have never had it so good economically.

Good grief.........I've been an atheist for the past 87 years. Isn't my 'payday' somewhat overdue.....!?

 

[lesliedellow]

Would you consider yourself apathetic towards religious beliefs that are not Christian?

I don't think about them overly much; unless they are trying to convert me. If that is the case, Catholics can be as big a pain in the posterior as Muslims.

 

[lesliedellow]

Good grief.........I've been an atheist for the past 87 years. Isn't my 'payday' somewhat overdue.....!?

The point is that you live in an affluent culture, where the questions in peoples' minds tend to be of the kind, "Have we got enough money in the bank for that new car," rather than, "Do you think those Protestants are right about Sola Scriptura?"

To put it more simply, far from being "free thinkers," and at least in Europe, present day atheists are simply imbibing the attitudes of the culture they live in.

 

[SteveB28]

The point is that you live in an affluent culture, where the questions in peoples' minds tend to be of the kind, "Have we got enough money in the bank for that new car," rather than, "Do you think those Protestants are right about Sola Scriptura?"

To put it more simply, far from being "free thinkers," and at least in Europe, present day atheists are simply imbibing the attitudes of the culture they live in.

Well, I'm afraid your European generalisation falls short in my case.

My life has been dedicated to an adherence to rational thought. Beliefs of/in the supernatural have always failed to live up to that standard. As my friend bhsmte puts it, it simply doesn't gel with reality.

And "imbibing the attitudes of the culture"?? How do you think religious beliefs are passed on!?

 

[AV1611VET]

There were atheists before evolution was discovered, and there are literally billions of Christians AND members of other faiths who are perfectly orthodox and accept evolutionary theory as scientific fact.

Are these billions wrong?

If not, why are there atheists?

 

[Larniavc]

But...the Almighty came knocking at my door.

You can't have been a real atheist.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can't have been a real atheist.

Invoking the No True Scotsman Fallacy here, are we?

 

[Larniavc]

Invoking the No True Scotsman Fallacy here, are we?

Exactly. Fortunately there is no site wide prohibition against implying someone is not (or was not) an atheist.

I expect to get off scot free.

 

[AV1611VET]

I expect to get off scot free.

-- Good one!

 

[KCfromNC]

The point is that you live in an affluent culture, where the questions in peoples' minds tend to be of the kind, "Have we got enough money in the bank for that new car," rather than, "Do you think those Protestants are right about Sola Scriptura?"

To put it more simply, far from being "free thinkers," and at least in Europe, present day atheists are simply imbibing the attitudes of the culture they live in.

You'd think if there were any actual real-world implications for questions like the latter they'd be tougher to ignore. Seems like removing the culture of forcing people to worry about them under threat of harm leaves no real reason to consider them.

 

[The Cadet]

I expect to get off scot free.

I'm taking my porridge back and going home.

 

[bhsmte]

The point is that you live in an affluent culture, where the questions in peoples' minds tend to be of the kind, "Have we got enough money in the bank for that new car," rather than, "Do you think those Protestants are right about Sola Scriptura?"

To put it more simply, far from being "free thinkers," and at least in Europe, present day atheists are simply imbibing the attitudes of the culture they live in.

Have you ever thought, of asking people why they are a non believer, instead of broad brushing your own reasoning?

 

[Picky Picky]

Some of those real rich, television preachers would show otherwise.

I was a Christian for 40 years and I know plenty of Christians, who worship the almighty dollar.

Yeah, well it's indirect. Love of money creates television preachers; television preachers create atheists.