Have heaven and earth passed away yet?

[Travis93]

Thank God that He has broken down the dividing wall between Jews and Gentiles creating one new man, the Church of God, which is neither Israel nor Gentile.

Jeremiah 31:35-37 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Note how he said it after he spoke of the new covenant, which he promised to Israel and Judah only, in Jeremiah 31:31-33. It doesn't sound to me like he has any intention of doing away with the nation of Israel.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Jeremiah 31:35-37 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Note how he said it after he spoke of the new covenant, which he promised to Israel and Judah only, in Jeremiah 31:31-33. It doesn't sound to me like he has any intention of doing away with the nation of Israel.

I never said that God has any intention of doing away with Israel or any of the Gentiles, for that matter. He has, instead, broken down the dividing wall between the Jews and the Gentiles, making them into one new man, the Church, through faith in Jesus
Christ.

 

[Travis93]

I never said that God has any intention of doing away with Israel or any of the Gentiles, for that matter. He has, instead, broken down the dividing wall between the Jews and the Gentiles, making them into one new man, the Church, through faith in Jesus
Christ.

Then stop pretending the law doesn't apply to you since it was given only to Israel. If God judges Jews and Gentiles by different standards there is very clearly still a middle wall yet to be broken down. In Acts 21:20 we learn the believing Jews were zealous of keeping the law, and instead of rebuking them for following a supposedly obsolete law, James orders Paul to help them with their Nazarite vows to prove he still follows it as well Acts 21:21-24. Paul said he was still a Pharisee in Acts 23:6, still believes in the law and the prophets in Acts 24:14, and hasn't offended any point of the law in Acts 25:8. He encourages the gentile believers to imitate him in Philippians 4:9 and 1 Corinthians 11:1, and tells us to use all scripture for instruction in righteousness in 2 Timothy 3:16. When he wrote this, what scripture existed? Consider that Timothy had it since he was a child as per 2 Timothy 3:15, and you will realize he's talking about the law and the prophets.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Then stop pretending the law doesn't apply to you since it was given only to Israel. If God judges Jews and Gentiles by different standards there is very clearly still a middle wall yet to be broken down. In Acts 21:20 we learn the believing Jews were zealous of keeping the law, and instead of rebuking them for following a supposedly obsolete law, James orders Paul to help them with their Nazarite vows to prove he still follows it as well Acts 21:21-24. Paul said he was still a Pharisee in Acts 23:6, still believes in the law and the prophets in Acts 24:14, and hasn't offended any point of the law in Acts 25:8. He encourages the gentile believers to imitate him in Philipians 4:9 and 1 Corinthians 11:1, and tells us to use all scripture for instruction in righteousness in 2 Timothy 3:16.

I am not now, nor ever have been, Jewish. Neither I nor any of my ancestors entered into the covenant enacted at Sinai. Therefore, it is absurd for anyone to imagine that I am under obligation to that covenant in any way, shape or form. I have no expectation of receiving its blessings and am grateful that I will never receive the outcome of its curses.

 

[Lulav]

Wondering if those who are against being part of Israel do you believe that God has a Bride(wife) and Jesus has one also, a separate bride(wife?

 

[bbbbbbb]

Wondering if those who are against being part of Israel do you believe that God has a Bride(wife) and Jesus has one also, a separate bride(wife?

How literally do you take this?

 

[Travis93]

I am not now, nor ever have been, Jewish. Neither I nor any of my ancestors entered into the covenant enacted at Sinai. Therefore, it is absurd for anyone to imagine that I am under obligation to that covenant in any way, shape or form. I have no expectation of receiving its blessings and am grateful that I will never receive the outcome of its curses.

1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the law. So if the law doesn't apply to you, is it impossible for you to sin?

 

[Lulav]

How literally do you take this?

As literally as I believe all the other Marriage references throughout the whole Bible.

Bride of Messiah
Wedding Supper
Bridegroom, Bridesmaids,
Friend of the Groom

Building a a place in the Fathers house for us..................do you need more?

 

[bugkiller]

Jeremiah 31:35-37 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Note how he said it after he spoke of the new covenant, which he promised to Israel and Judah only, in Jeremiah 31:31-33. It doesn't sound to me like he has any intention of doing away with the nation of Israel.

So are you wasting time here or trying o convert Christians to becomes Jews obligated to a defunct covenant?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Wondering if those who are against being part of Israel do you believe that God has a Bride(wife) and Jesus has one also, a separate bride(wife?

If you have a brother is or can he be married to your mother while dad is married to her?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the law. So if the law doesn't apply to you, is it impossible for you to sin?

No, same book first chapter.

bugkiller

 

[Lulav]

If you have a brother is or can he be married to your mother while dad is married to her?

bugkiller

I'm sorry, can you reword that? I'm sure you aren't speaking of incest here, right?

 

[bbbbbbb]

1 John 3:4 says sin is transgression of the law. So if the law doesn't apply to you, is it impossible for you to sin?

Romans 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

 

[bbbbbbb]

As literally as I believe all the other Marriage references throughout the whole Bible.

Bride of Messiah
Wedding Supper
Bridegroom, Bridesmaids,
Friend of the Groom

Building a a place in the Fathers house for us..................do you need more?

Thanks! So it is obviously a metaphor even as Christians are the brothers and sisters of Christ. I can live with that!

 

[bugkiller]

I'm sorry, can you reword that? I'm sure you aren't speaking of incest here, right?

Isn't that exactly what you preposed about God the Father and God the Son?

bugkiller

 

[Travis93]

Romans 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

So as long as you have faith that it is lawful for you to do something, it isn't a sin? What if I had faith that it was okay to eat something offered to idols?
Revelation 2:14-16 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Revelation 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Uh-oh, that doesn't sound good, it seems like we can't just do whatever we want.

 

[Lulav]

Isn't that exactly what you preposed about God the Father and God the Son?

bugkiller

Please show me where I said anything remotely like that.

 

[Lulav]

Thanks! So it is obviously a metaphor even as Christians are the brothers and sisters of Christ. I can live with that!

No, I said I believed it was literal, not a metaphor.

The giving of the Commandments at Mt Sinai was a marriage ceremony, between God and His people, many of the prophets speak on this.
The Covenant is the contract between two parties, it states what each one will do in the marriage.

I"m sure you've been to a wedding, where the minister recites something and the bride and groom respond with 'I do'.
Here is the original version:

So Moses came and called the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which the LORD had commanded him.
8 All the people answered together and said,

"All that the LORD has spoken we will do!" And Moses brought back the words of the people to the LORD.​

The 'New Covenant' is where the 'two shall become one'. Again God and his people.

 

[bbbbbbb]

No, I said I believed it was literal, not a metaphor.

The giving of the Commandments at Mt Sinai was a marriage ceremony, between God and His people, many of the prophets speak on this.
The Covenant is the contract between two parties, it states what each one will do in the marriage.

I"m sure you've been to a wedding, where the minister recites something and the bride and groom respond with 'I do'.
Here is the original version:

So Moses came and called the elders of the people, and set before them all these words which the LORD had commanded him.
8 All the people answered together and said,

"All that the LORD has spoken we will do!" And Moses brought back the words of the people to the LORD.​

The 'New Covenant' is where the 'two shall become one'. Again God and his people.

So, you seem to believe that Jesus Christ will literally have marital relations with his Bride. Do you really believe this?

 

[Lulav]

So, you seem to believe that Jesus Christ will literally have marital relations with his Bride. Do you really believe this?

As it was in the beginning, yes. In a fleshly understanding, no.

7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.