Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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So (from the title of the video you posted), you're promoting replacing Jesus now ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

If sin is not your master,
why do keep doing what the devil wants you to do
all the time continually?(as it seems you seem to think you need to do "under grace")

 

[BABerean2]

So (from the title of the video you posted), you're promoting replacing Jesus now ?

That would be what the modern Judaisers are doing.

They believe in a "works based salvation", based on the works they are doing.

I also believe in a "works based salvation", because it is by His work that my sin debt is paid...


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


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[yeshuaslavejeff]

That would be what the modern Judaisers are doing.

Why then are you promoting modern Judaisers (sic) (I think the word you are trying to convey is something else ) with a movie ? Why even give them any notice at all ?

I also believe in a "works based salvation", because it is by His work that my sin death is paid...

(clarify - perhaps it's just your terminology that's strange. What Scripture are you trying to refer to to show how your 'sin death' is paid ? )

 

[BABerean2]

What Scripture are you trying to refer to to show how your 'sin death' is paid ? )

Sorry for the spelling error. I meant to say "sin debt".

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[bugkiller]

How is it used as a lie in Scripture in what you quoted from Scripture ?
It does apply to the lawless, right ? You quoted it in context.
Here's another for more clarity - (the first one referred to in my post) :
Matthew 7:21-23New King James Version (NKJV)
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

So who here is practicing sin?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No, not "we" in Christ. The lawless ARE practicing lawlessness(disobedience), obviously, but that's not "we in Christ".

Would you per chance be talking about non sabbatarians?

bugkiller

 

[Travis93]

Our sin is the bondage we need to cast off.
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
Is God's law the elements of this world? Not according to 1 John 2:15 which says whoever loves the world doesn't love God, 1 John 3:4 which says sin is transgression of the law, and 1 John 5:2-3 which says if we love God we keep his commandments.
Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are are no gods.
The Galatians were pagans, their worship was of false gods, and their bondage was to that of their Pagan traditions.
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, how turn ye again to weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
These pagans got called out of that to worship the one true God, but were relapsing into their superstitions of observing times (Galatians 4:10) which is against the law of God which says not to observe times (Leviticus 19:26), which a few verses later is obvious it's not referring to God's own holy days because it says to keep those (Leviticus 19:30).

 

[BABerean2]

Our sin is the bondage we need to cast off.
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
Is God's law the elements of this world? Not according to 1 John 2:15 which says whoever loves the world doesn't love God, 1 John 3:4 which says sin is transgression of the law, and 1 John 5:2-3 which says if we love God we keep his commandments.
Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are are no gods.
The Galatians were pagans, their worship was of false gods, and their bondage was to that of their Pagan traditions.
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, how turn ye again to weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
These pagans got called out of that to worship the one true God, but were relapsing into their superstitions of observing times (Galatians 4:10) which is against the law of God which says not to observe times (Leviticus 19:26), which a few verses later is obvious it's not referring to God's own holy days because it says to keep those (Leviticus 19:30).

If one reads the entire Book of Galatians, in context, the only way to come up with the conclusion above is to be on the side of the Judaisers.

Yes, at one time the Galatian believers had been pagans in bondage to the world.
However, they later turned to Grace, through faith in Christ.

Then at some later point the Judaisers attempted to add to that Grace by compelling the Galatians to also become circumcised, as the Jews were.

The whole letter is about Paul's battle over the issue of circumcision and the effort of the Judaisers to put the Galatian Christians under the Sinai covenant.

You have selectively quoted, out of context, to prove what has previously been shown to be error by this thread.

The modern Hebrew Roots movement is a rebirth of the Judaisers.

It has thrived on the confusion of the Old covenant and the New Covenant produced by both Reformed Covenant Theology and modern Dispensational Theology.

If one could totally eliminate all of their sin by keeping the Mosaic Law, there would have been no need for Christ's sacrifice at Calvary.

Judaism never produced salvation. No man ever saved himself by keeping the Sinai covenant.
Salvation has always come through faith.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

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[disciple1]

If sin is not your master,
why do keep doing what the devil wants you to do
all the time continually?(as it seems you seem to think you need to do "under grace")

You won't understand this because your a prisoner of the devil do what it says in John chapter 8 verses 31,32
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
(But you keep on sinning because your under law and a child of the devil.)

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
(But your not a disciple of Jesus, because your not free,you always sin and do wrong.)
1 Corinthians chapter 15 verse 56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
(You rather do what you want, rather than learn from Christ, that's why your so evil.)
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
(This is all you have to do but you want to practice evil learn from Christ before it's to late.
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
(The law is a burden you can't carry but you want to say you do so you can continue to do evil.)

 

[bugkiller]

If sin is not your master,
why do keep doing what the devil wants you to do
all the time continually?(as it seems you seem to think you need to do "under grace")

What are you talking about?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

You won't understand this because your a prisoner of the devil do what it says in John chapter 8 verses 31,32
Romans chapter 6
14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.
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Freedom to quote the actual details in Romans 6 - would help you avoid that limit of "just one verse" snip in Romans 6.

WE saw that freedom here -

Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
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12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.


"SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

Romans 6

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. 18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. 19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21 What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.

 

[BobRyan]

If one reads the entire Book of Galatians, in context, the only way to come up with the conclusion above is to be on the side of the Judaisers.

Yes, at one time the Galatian believers had been pagans in bondage to the world.
However, they later turned to Grace, through faith in Christ.

In Gal 4:21 we see that one of their problems is that they are turning to a condition where God's Law is not written on the heart -- as it would be for "The House of Israel and the house of Judah" under the NEW Covenant according to Jer 31:31-33. Rather they are going after pagan concepts of Gal 4:8-11

The term "under the LAW" in Gal 4 -- in its most favorable light - means under the obligation of the ceremonial law apart from faith. But in general Paul uses the term with respect to condemnation under the moral of God without the Gospel benefit of salvation.

The end of Galatians 4 is not about condemning the Word of God in the OT - it is the use of an allegory to demonstrate that the LAW of God is not a second-gospel a competing-gospel and never was. Period.

Gal 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?

<Paul is not saying "tell me you want want to affirm scripture - the Word of God -- how dare you not condemn scripture" > Rather Paul is addressing those who want to use the Law as a gospel.

Gal 4
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23 But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24 This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. 27 For it is written,

“Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear;
Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor;
For more numerous are the children of the desolate
Than of the one who has a husband.”

NOTE: "Jerusalem above" was there in both OT and NT times. This is not a condemnation of the OT text of scripture. In fact it is in the OT that we find the NEW Covenant "I will write My LAWS on their heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 - what is more "for it is written" is a reference to the still-authoritative OT text - as scripture.

Gal 4
28 And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. 30 But what does the Scripture say?

“Cast out the bondwoman and her son,
For the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.”

31 So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.

NOTE: "Him who is born of the Spirit" is the same pre-cross teaching we see from Christ in John 3 - speaking to Nicodemus. Far from being a condemnation of pre-cross teaching - it affirms it.


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Rom 9
30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone.

1 John 3:4 - "SIN IS transgression of the LAW" both in OT and also by NT standards

So then in Rom 6 Paul speaks about the obligation not to SIN - even though not "under the law" -- not under the condemnation of the LAW.

Rom 6
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered

1 john 2:1 "these things I write to you that you sin NOT"

The Covenant at Sinai with Israel included
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

And 40 years later Moses reminds them --
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5

Christ continues to affirm them in Matt 22 , pre-cross - the Law of Moses upheld.

So then why is Paul associating Sinai with the old covenant in Gal 4?

Because the ceremonial law is no longer in effect.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" as compared to the ceremonial laws such as circumcision - as we see in this example from 1Cor 7:19

notice how Christ upholds what "Moses said" in Mark 7 calling it "The WORD of GOD"

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

"Love ME and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6 -- from the TEN Commandments.

No wonder NT authors affirm the TEN Commandments as part of the moral law of God for the saints even in the NT as we see here
14 minutes ago #1


Heb 8:6-10 Christ's New Covenant and His TEN Commandments at Sinai
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

A New Covenant
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a New Covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.

Notice that return to their former paganism in Gal 4.

Gal 4
8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.

Paul argues that by their return to observance of pagan days - they are "returning again" to their former pagan ways of thinking and worshiping God.

 

[BABerean2]

In Gal 4:21 we see that one of their problems is that they are turning to a condition where God's Law is not written on the heart -- as it would be for "The House of Israel and the house of Judah" under the NEW Covenant according to Jer 31:31-33. Rather they are going after pagan concepts of Gal 4:8-11

Like I said in the last post, taking a verse here and there out of context, is the only way to get the text to line up with the viewpoint of the Judaisers.

The modern Judaisers want us to believe the text does not mean what it plainly says.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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[Travis93]

The law is liberty, not bondage. The tradition of men is the bondage, whether pagan which goes against the law of God, or Pharisees (Orthodox Judaism for the modern example) who add tons of oral laws they claim came from Moses along the written torah.
Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
Psalms 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Note the parallel in James.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

[bugkiller]

Our sin is the bondage we need to cast off.
Galatians 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
Is God's law the elements of this world? Not according to 1 John 2:15 which says whoever loves the world doesn't love God, 1 John 3:4 which says sin is transgression of the law, and 1 John 5:2-3 which says if we love God we keep his commandments.
Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are are no gods.
The Galatians were pagans, their worship was of false gods, and their bondage was to that of their Pagan traditions.
Galatians 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, how turn ye again to weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
These pagans got called out of that to worship the one true God, but were relapsing into their superstitions of observing times (Galatians 4:10) which is against the law of God which says not to observe times (Leviticus 19:26), which a few verses later is obvious it's not referring to God's own holy days because it says to keep those (Leviticus 19:30).

You guys will try anything.

bugkiller

 

[BABerean2]

The law is liberty, not bondage. The tradition of men is the bondage, whether pagan which goes against the law of God, or Pharisees (Orthodox Judaism for the modern example) who add tons of oral laws they claim came from Moses along the written torah.
Psalms 119:44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
Psalms 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Note the parallel in James.
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
(The 10 commandments are the Sinai covenant.)

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: (A different covenant was to come.)
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: (The children of Israel broke the Sinai covenant, because no man can keep it.)

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(The Sinai covenant is a covenant of bondage.)

Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant of Christ has made the Old Sinai covenant obsolete.)


The Judaisers claim they are the same covenant.
They made the same claims during the time of the Apostle Paul.

Why must the Judaisers work so hard to change Paul's meaning in the Book of Galatians?

Paul's words in Galatians kill the doctrine of the Judaisers, like a wooden stake through the heart of a vampire.

Both the modern Hebrew Roots movement and vampires are built upon myth.

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[disciple1]

Freedom to quote the actual details in Romans 6 - would help you avoid that limit of "just one verse" snip in Romans 6.

WE saw that freedom here -

Study the bible maybe you'll learn something then you can post the truth and know the truth.
In stead of being a slave to sin as you are.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

 

[Bob S]

Are we really to believe that God sent prophet after prophet telling people to follow the law, and Jesus himself also taught the law, that God would suddenly decide his own law was flawed and done away with? That would mean the law he made wasn't perfect or even beneficial, it was entirely random and pointless, given just to make his people suffer. It would mean he lied in Deuteronomy 30:11-14 when he said it was possible to follow the law. It would mean God told his people to reject those who taught against the law (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 and Isaiah 8:20), then told a prophet to do the exact opposite and expected people to go along with it.

God set forth a plan before the foundation of the Earth to save mankind when sin entered the Earth. That plan, the plan of salvation , has taken many twists. Several covenants have been made with God's children over the thousands of years of recorded history, each one of His different plans had a specific purpose. Each covenant was to be the guide for those under it. As I wrote, all this was done before the foundation of the Earth. Each of those covenants was PERFECT for those that were under each one. The covenant with Israel was perfect for them. Jesus covenant with all mankind is our PERFECT covenant. Just because Israel's covenant was perfect for them does not mean it would be perfect for Christians today. Your whole premise is without merit Travis. The plan of salvation has throughout history has not changed. Through the reading of the Bible we are able to see all of the different ways God has worked with His children to lead a life worthy of salvation. What is good for us today would not have been good for the Israelites and what was good for Israel evidently was not good for Adam and vice versa. God's original plan is still on course, we are witness to the final events. Claim the promises.

 

[love2obey]

Study the bible maybe you'll learn something then you can post the truth and know the truth.
In stead of being a slave to sin as you are.
Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
Romans chapter 1 verse 28
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
2 John
9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Job chapter 23 verse 12
I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Luke chapter 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

if God's word is so important to God, how would He come across with the bible as if He did with His word at will?
He chose to whom and how He would preach it to without any regard of how people will think of Him. Yet, the only truth that we have in regard to God being is His character. It is expressed, shown, in everything that God does.