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According to Gerald Schroeder: " At MIT, in the Hayden library, we had about 50,000 books that deal with the development of the universe: cosmology, chemistry, thermodynamics, paleontology, archaeology, the high-energy physics of creation. Up the river at Harvard, at the Weidner library, they probably have 200,000 books on these same topics. The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don't expect that by a simple reading of those sentences, you'll know every detail that is held within the text. It's obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out."

Show me anywhere that those 200,000 books contradict or falsify the Bible in anyway. I maintain that God gives us Science and God gives us the Bible and God does not contradict Himself. In fact all 200,000 of the books shows that those 31 sentences are 100% accurate and true (along with all of the Bible).
 
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31 sentences is 31 sentences. It can contain as much information as they can contain. To get more out means you're reading things into it that aren't there.
An archetype is a "pattern, model or type". As a carpenter you first make a templet and everything is then made from that pattern. There will be a slight variation in every copy you make but the original remains consistent.
 
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The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don't expect that by a simple reading of those sentences, you'll know every detail that is held within the text. It's obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out."

Ironically you demonstrated that the deeper you dig the less you get out of it, you managed to reduce creation story to a neolithic oxen training centre.
 
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Ironically you demonstrated that the deeper you dig the less you get out of it, you managed to reduce creation story to a neolithic oxen training centre.
You have to know where to dig. They have been digging up evidence for the Bible for hundreds of years. There are lots and lots and lots of artifacts to show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. Even Science can help us to understand the Bible and guide us in how we can apply the Bible to our generation in the time that we live.
 
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You have to know where to dig. They have been digging up evidence for the Bible for hundreds of years. There are lots and lots and lots of artifacts to show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true. Even Science can help us to understand the Bible and guide us in how we can apply the Bible to our generation in the time that we live.
You don't say.
 
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Show me anywhere that those 200,000 books contradict or falsify the Bible in anyway. I maintain that God gives us Science and God gives us the Bible and God does not contradict Himself. In fact all 200,000 of the books shows that those 31 sentences are 100% accurate and true (along with all of the Bible).

That all depends upon how you interpret those thirty one sentences, doesn't it?
 
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Show me anywhere that those 200,000 books contradict or falsify the Bible in anyway.
Just as an aside I shouldn't think they contradict Alice in Wonderland or Huckleberry Finn either, all you need do is say "that's not what the book is saying", where it says "In the beginning" it doesn't really mean "In the beginning" it means 'at the start' or 'when things began' or even 'before there was anything', perhaps even 'when God was on his own' or 'when God woke up', or better yet when someone suggests what it means you say the opposite and then you will both be right.
It all depends on how you read it and what you want it to say, it's the same with all unfounded stories based on myth.
 
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There are lots and lots and lots of artifacts to show that the Bible is 100% accurate and true.

Apart from a few minor details like..... creation, the fall, the flood, exodus, the crucifixion and resurrection.
 
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According to Gerald Schroeder: " At MIT, in the Hayden library, we had about 50,000 books that deal with the development of the universe: cosmology, chemistry, thermodynamics, paleontology, archaeology, the high-energy physics of creation. Up the river at Harvard, at the Weidner library, they probably have 200,000 books on these same topics. The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don't expect that by a simple reading of those sentences, you'll know every detail that is held within the text. It's obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out."

Show me anywhere that those 200,000 books contradict or falsify the Bible in anyway. I maintain that God gives us Science and God gives us the Bible and God does not contradict Himself. In fact all 200,000 of the books shows that those 31 sentences are 100% accurate and true (along with all of the Bible).
Do any of those books contradict ANY religious creation story?
 
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Do any of those books contradict ANY religious creation story?
That question will definitely NOT get an answer, he will read it but it won't even register, his brain will destroy it before it even reaches the back of his eyes.
 
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all you need do is say "that's not what the book is saying"
Swing and a miss, nice try though. The Bible is of "no private interpretation", "No prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Pet 2:1 This is why we have a Bible Canon and why we have a statement of faith. Even this web site has a statement of faith and it is against the rules to argue against their statement of faith except in designated forums. Christians have a lot of agreement among themselves.
 
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Do any of those books contradict ANY religious creation story?
Moses had LOTS of creation stories available to him in his day. The Bible is Inspired by God and we know that the Bible is without error. Writing and even written language and law goes back 1,000 years before Moses.
 
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That all depends upon how you interpret those thirty one sentences, doesn't it?
The point is that 200,000 books can be expressed in 31 sentences.

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Swing and a miss, nice try though. The Bible is of "no private interpretation", "No prophecy was ever brought about through human initiative, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Pet 2:1 This is why we have a Bible Canon and why we have a statement of faith. Even this web site has a statement of faith and it is against the rules to argue against their statement of faith except in designated forums. Christians have a lot of agreement among themselves.

So do you agree with this?

  • Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation, spanning approximately 4,000 years from creation to Christ.
  • The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of creation.
  • The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
 
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Do any of those books contradict ANY religious creation story?
Moses had LOTS of creation stories available to him in his day. The Bible is Inspired by God and we know that the Bible is without error. Writing and even written language and law goes back 1,000 years before Moses.
He read it but your question was not the question that got through to his brain, at least your question was not the one answered.
 
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