Why are most christians against asylum seekers?

[jimmyjimmy]

I have never said anything about Sanders or Clinton, and have 0 interest in talking about them. Not voting for Trump is not the same as voting for other people. The fact that American voters have given themselves such poor alternatives is their own fault.

The fact that there are dangerous people among the refugees does not in any way shape or form negate the words of Christ in Matthew 25. Jesus did not say to help, feed and clothe only people that have been verified by authorities, have no criminal record, or pass any other qualification. He said to help the stranger. He did not say "first make sure he's not a filthy terrorist," he said help the stranger.

How do you help a convicted rapist? Your brand of help is a naive, weak, sappy, emotionally based, "help". You fail to understand unforeseen consequences.

 

[HighwayMan]

How do you help a convicted rapist? Your brand of help is a naive, weak, sappy, emotionally based, "help". You fail to understand unforeseen consequences.

...you are referring to Jesus' words in Matthew 25 as being "naive, weak, sappy, emotionally based," correct? Because I have not said a word that's not from them.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

How do you help a convicted rapist? Your brand of help is a naive, weak, sappy, emotionally based, "help". You fail to understand unforeseen consequences.

I agree I think with the idea here , including "FORESEEN" or "FORESEEABLE" consequences.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

...you are referring to Jesus' words in Matthew 25 as being "naive, weak, sappy, emotionally based," correct? Because I have not said a word that's not from them.

Jesus says VERY CLEARLY "Put OUT the (unrepentant) wicked from your midst."
and "HAVE NOTHING to do with the doers of darkness, BUT INSTEAD EXPOSE THEM"...
Remember?
Jesus ?
He said this very clearly !

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I agree I think with the idea here , including "FORESEEN" or "FORESEEABLE" consequences.

 

[rjs330]

Jesus says VERY CLEARLY "Put OUT the (unrepentant) wicked from your midst."
and "HAVE NOTHING to do with the doers of darkness, BUT INSTEAD EXPOSE THEM"...
Remember?
Jesus ?
He said this very clearly !

Yes he did. So explain how that reconciles with what Jesus said about helping those in need including our enemies.

Just so you know I am not for our current refugee policies. But I want you to think through what you quoted and would like to here your thoughts on how that jives with what others have quoted regarding helping them.

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes he did. So explain how that reconciles with what Jesus said about helping those in need including our enemies.

Simple, really. (usually is).
How did Corrie ten Boom's family choose WHO to help when they knocked on their door?
As Casper ten Boom (her father) said to the nazi gestapo >
If anyone comes and knocks on my door seeking help, As God says, I will help them, no matter who they are .
And he did. (and Corrie did).
And he was killed. And most of Corrie's family and friends were killed.
Corrie escaped by God's Grace, without trying to, (a 'clerical' error set her free; otherwise she would have been executed also, just a few days later).

When someone came to their door SEEKING to harm EITHER the Jews or the gentiles,
neither Casper NOR Corrie gave them ANY information or help finding their prey.
BUT if they were hungry, they gave them food.
If they were thirsty, they gave them water to drink.
But they did not turn ANYONE over to the power of the gestapo....
and they did not grant the gestapo anything that would lead to the death of others.

Thus, they satisfied God's Justice for all involved,
with a right and a clear conscience before God.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Simple, really. (usually is).
How did Corrie ten Boom's family choose WHO to help when they knocked on their door?
As Casper ten Boom (her father) said to the nazi gestapo >
If anyone comes and knocks on my door seeking help, As God says, I will help them, no matter who they are .
And he did. (and Corrie did).
And he was killed. And most of Corrie's family and friends were killed.
Corrie escaped by God's Grace, without trying to, (a 'clerical' error set her free; otherwise she would have been executed also, just a few days later).

When someone came to their door SEEKING to harm EITHER the Jews or the gentiles,
neither Casper NOR Corrie gave them ANY information or help finding their prey.
BUT if they were hungry, they gave them food.
If they were thirsty, they gave them water to drink.
But they did not turn ANYONE over to the power of the gestapo....
and they did not grant the gestapo anything that would lead to the death of others.

Thus, they satisfied God's Justice for all involved,
with a right and a clear conscience before God.

Excellent post. Great example of discrimination (not a bad word).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Perchance (or Providence ) , could you mean discernment ? No worries either way - all good.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Perchance (or Providence ) , could you mean discernment ? No worries either way - all good.

Both, but I meant discrimination: recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Both, but I meant discrimination: recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

Good and thank you for clarifying - as also you know discrimination is used so often to mean something else, but this nails it down for anyone reading through.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Good and thank you for clarifying - as also you know discrimination is used so often to mean something else, but this nails it down for anyone reading through.

I intentionally use that word whenever I can.

Discrimination is something that Liberals just cannot do. They cannot see that some cultures are better than other, for example.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I intentionally use that word whenever I can.

Discrimination is something that Liberals just cannot do. They cannot see that some cultures are better than other, for example.

I'll bet they never read Wuest's Expanded Greek Study on Galatians. (I never even heard about it until this year (it's GREAT!) ... but I haven't finished it yet - it takes quite a while to get through...) (re 'culture'/'society' in Galatians)

 

[pat34lee]

I have never said anything about Sanders or Clinton, and have 0 interest in talking about them. Not voting for Trump is not the same as voting for other people. The fact that American voters have given themselves such poor alternatives is their own fault.

The fact that there are dangerous people among the refugees does not in any way shape or form negate the words of Christ in Matthew 25. Jesus did not say to help, feed and clothe only people that have been verified by authorities, have no criminal record, or pass any other qualification. He said to help the stranger. He did not say "first make sure he's not a filthy terrorist," he said help the stranger.

Two things.

When you have an either/or choice, if you opt out
of choice 1, you are for choice 2 by default. You
didn't say anything against Hillary or Sanders, only
Trump. You could still answer my original question,
which was what has he done that singles him out for
anti-Christian in your view?

Second, Jesus didn't come to teach government 101.
He came to teach individuals. If you want to be the
good Samaritan, you go where the need is. You don't
bring the problems into your home. Why else do you
think they went place to place?

 

[The Portuguese Baptist]

Why it seems most Christians are against asylum seekers? For the political parties most Chrisitans support are the parties who are are openly stating to deport asylum seekers and even refuse to accomodate people that have fled their own countries due to war and persecution. Anyway Jesus Christ himself was a refugee.

It seems the people I personally know that are most passionate about the rights of asylum seekers are not Christian at all. Unlike some Chrisitans I come accross who believe that asylum seekers should be deported from the country.

The party I support is a centre-right Christian democratic party. It is not against refugees. I am not against refugees. Rather, I am against economic migrants who lie about their nationalities to pretend they come from countries at war and thus gain asylum. I am also against refugees who reject being distributed, according to availability, through all European countries. I think they should take an accepting but controlling stance towards refugees. Instead of allowing them to go anywhere they want, force them to be distributed or go back. The agreement with Turkey was an important step in achieving this.

 

[HighwayMan]

Jesus says VERY CLEARLY "Put OUT the (unrepentant) wicked from your midst."
and "HAVE NOTHING to do with the doers of darkness, BUT INSTEAD EXPOSE THEM"...
Remember?
Jesus ?
He said this very clearly !

As you will discover I am not a fan of mixing two different passages together talking about different things, but even so, exposing evil people amongst the good ones is a million light years away from closing your door and not letting anyone in and prolonging the suffering of multitudes in order to make sure a few dangerous apples don't get in.

 

[HighwayMan]

Two things.

When you have an either/or choice, if you opt out
of choice 1, you are for choice 2 by default. You
didn't say anything against Hillary or Sanders, only
Trump. You could still answer my original question,
which was what has he done that singles him out for
anti-Christian in your view?

Second, Jesus didn't come to teach government 101.
He came to teach individuals. If you want to be the
good Samaritan, you go where the need is. You don't
bring the problems into your home. Why else do you
think they went place to place?

No it is not. Just because I am against ISIS in Syria does not mean I am for Assad. Both options can be terrible. In fact I often talk more against Assad, because it is dangerous to assume someone is your friend just because he is fighting the same enemy.

Senator John McCain, Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, and these are just the main conservative voices, have explained long and in depth the horrors of siding with Trump, there is no need for me to add anything to that. Including Pope Francis, Archbishop Welby, I mean is there anyone of moral standing that has not spoken out against Trump?

The government represents the will of the people. If it does not, it is a corrupt government. A government that turns people away represents citizens who want to deny Jesus' teachings and turn people away. If the government is acting against the will of the people, then it is clearly not doing its job.

 

[HighwayMan]

The party I support is a centre-right Christian democratic party. It is not against refugees. I am not against refugees. Rather, I am against economic migrants who lie about their nationalities to pretend they come from countries at war and thus gain asylum. I am also against refugees who reject being distributed, according to availability, through all European countries. I think they should take an accepting but controlling stance towards refugees. Instead of allowing them to go anywhere they want, force them to be distributed or go back. The agreement with Turkey was an important step in achieving this.

I think that is a very reasonable view. There are many, many "refugees" who are exploiting stupid policies to get ahead, and in doing so make matters worse for everyone. Solutions should be practical. Not extremes like Merkel and the EU who endanger everyone's lives with blind open-hand policies, or Trumptonians who, non surprisingly, support views that are only upheld by folks such as Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un. When North Korea is your friend, that should wake you up to a bit of a problem there. And the KKK.

 

[pat34lee]

The party I support is a centre-right Christian democratic party.

Do you understand that there is no such thing any more
in America? The Democrats, since the 1990s have gone
full socialist/humanist. They have no room any more for
moderates, much less conservatives or Christians.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/opinion/have-democrats-pulled-too-far-left.html?_r=0

 

[pat34lee]

Senator John McCain, Mitt Romney, George W. Bush, and these are just the main conservative voices, have explained long and in depth the horrors of siding with Trump, there is no need for me to add anything to that. Including Pope Francis, Archbishop Welby, I mean is there anyone of moral standing that has not spoken out against Trump?

The government represents the will of the people. If it does not, it is a corrupt government. A government that turns people away represents citizens who want to deny Jesus' teachings and turn people away. If the government is acting against the will of the people, then it is clearly not doing its job.

Every political name you mentioned is either a neo-con or RINO.
Not one genuine conservative. Romney is more like Obama than
any real Republican. As for morals, I don't know Welby, but the
Pope has blown his case for being moral months ago.

Knowing that if Trump loses, Hillary wins, which option do you
think would serve America better and why? Are you a one issue
voter, (immigration) ready to overlook everything else?

You should learn more about our government, which is not a
socialist country quite yet. Why ship refugees halfway around
the world to countries who don't want or even like them, when
there are 50 Muslim majority countries very near to them where
they would be able to fit in and live with others of their faith?

Would you ship refugee Panamanians and Mexicans to Russia
or China?

This is no immigration issue, but a full-scale invasion by people
who hate us.