The problem of evil

[amariselle]

Are you going to support this assertion or not?

I've made a number of other comments on your posts on page 78 that you have yet to address.

I have supported it, others here have done the same. You chose not to listen, your problem, not mine.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

You shared the video with the sole intent of pointing your finger at Christians, so check your sources carefully before posting a video that actually deals with Muslims, not just Christians.

No, I shared that video in the context of the discussion we were having, as anyone following along can plainly see.

Their claims are not what matters. Jesus warns about such people, who will do things in His name but who are not His true followers. This is why we are to seek discernment and judge by the "fruits" or results of such people's lives and ministries.

That's probably what the Christians in that video would say about you as well.

I and other Christians on this forum have spoken up about such "Christians." Perhaps you want to listen to what many Christians are saying about "Ministers" such as the ones in the video, before you go pointing your finger at ALL Christians and labeling us all the same.

This is a pathetic strawman. The entire purpose of posting that video, in the context of our discussion, was to show that not all Christians are the same.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have supported it, others here have done the same. You chose not to listen, your problem, not mine.

Where have you supported it? I directly addressed your comments about science on page 78.

 

[amariselle]

Where have you supported it? I directly addressed your comments about science on page 78.

Look back in the conversation.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Look back in the conversation.

Where in the conversation did you address my comments on page 78? If you have done so, please supply a link to the relevant post or posts.

 

[amariselle]

No, I shared that video in the context of the discussion we were having, as anyone following along can plainly see.

We were talking about Christianity and science, not Muslim extremists.

That's probably what the Christians in that video would say about you as well.

Again, it doesn't matter what they say, it matters if their words line up with the words and teachings of Jesus.

This is a pathetic strawman. The entire purpose of posting that video, in the context of our discussion, was to show that not all Christians are the same.

Call it a "pathetic strawman" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that that is exactly what you are doing.

Of course not all Christians are the same. Do you really think they should be? People are all different and unique.

Not all those who say they are Christian are actually Christian. If you want to know if they are or not, read the Gospels and the teachings of Paul and the disciples.

 

[amariselle]

Where in the conversation did you address my comments on page 78? If you have done so, please supply a link to the relevant post or posts.

I and others have addressed your points multiple times, here and on other threads. It always comes down to the same argument with you and you never like our answers.

At some point we all realize it's pointless to continue debating such things.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

We were talking about Christianity and science, not Muslim extremists.

And we still are. So stop dodging.

Again, it doesn't matter what they say, it matters if their words line up with the words and teachings of Jesus.

According to them, they do.

Call it a "pathetic strawman" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that that is exactly what you are doing.

You are starting to veer toward deceit. I'd advise changing direction immediately. I never implied what you are claiming I did.

Not all those who say they are Christian are actually Christian. If you want to know if they are or not, read the Gospels and the teachings of Paul and the disciples.

The Christians in the video consider themselves genuine Christians, regardless of your complaints to the contrary.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I and others have addressed your points multiple times, here and on other threads. It always comes down to the same argument with you and you never like our answers.

At some point we all realize it's pointless to continue debating such things.

So you have no intention of actually addressing what I said?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I was demonstrating why your question was not relevant to my point. I was demonstrating why the acts in question are murderous, because they would be murders.

It is absolutely relevant to the point. Do you not know the difference between murdering and killing?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I'm simply saying that god isn't logical... you making caims that other things aren't logical wouldn't change that. You're not actually presenting that your belief is reasonable or true, you're demanding that people stop caring.

Do you believe that the universe is eternal, without a beginning?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Hilarious.

Can you produce evidence, that I was not visited by aliens last night and they showed me how they created the universe and confirmed to me there was no God?

Here is the moral of the story, when you need to ask someone else to prove a negative, desperation has set in.

I am just stating the obvious fact that you really don't know if a god does not exist. That fact that you cannot admit that tells me you are desperate.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I am just stating the obvious fact that you really don't know if a god does not exist. That fact that you cannot admit that tells me you are desperate.

I'm fairly certain that bhsmte already addressed this.

 

[amariselle]

And we still are. So stop dodging.

The person who brings Muslims into the equation is the one "dodging", not me. Muslims care little for the Christian faith.

According to them, they do.

They are misrepresenting Christ.

You are starting to veer toward deceit. I'd advise changing direction immediately. I never implied what you are claiming I did.

Really? Do you or do you not think that all Christians should be the same?

The Christians in the video consider themselves genuine Christians, regardless of your complaints to the contrary.

I didn't say they didn't "consider" themselves to be Christians. Whether they truly are or not needs to be determined in light of Jesus and His teachings and commands.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The person who brings Muslims into the equation is the one "dodging", not me. Muslims care little for the Christian faith.

I didn't bring them into the equation. I clearly stated that "Obviously I was referring to the Christians in the video. I didn't think that needed to be spelled out." You are dodging by focusing on this detail instead of the overarching point.

They are misrepresenting Christ.

They claim the same about you.

Really? Do you or do you not think that all Christians should be the same?

So first you present a strawman of my position and then, when I've called you out for this, you follow up by asking me whether I should agree with the strawman you devised?

 

[amariselle]

I didn't bring them into the equation. I clearly stated that "Obviously I was referring to the Christians in the video. I didn't think that needed to be spelled out." You are dodging by focusing on this detail instead of the overarching point.

But you did. You chose to post a video with Muslims in it in response to a discussion about Christianity. Surely you can do better than that?

Oh, and since you are so concerned with presenting snippets of Christian viewpoints, perhaps you would also like to present a video of Christians who take the opposite stance from the "Christians" in the video you shared. That's only right after all, if you wish to truly address what Christians are saying about this world. For every hateful, unChristlike Christian, there are Christians who disagree with such condemning words and who instead honour and obey Jesus.

They claim the same about you.

Test ALL claims against the teachings and instruction of Jesus and the disciples, who passed on His teachings.

So first you present a strawman of my position and then, when I've called you out for this, you follow up by asking me whether I should agree with the strawman you devised?

I asked you an honest question. Do you believe that all Christians should be the same?

You don't want to answer? Fair enough.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

But you did. You chose to post a video with Muslims in it in response to a discussion about Christianity. Surely you can do better than that?

Are you ignoring the Christians in that video?

Oh, and since you are so concerned with presenting snippets of Christian viewpoints, perhaps you would also like to present a video of Christians who take the opposite stance from the "Christians" in the video you shared. That's only right after all, if you wish to truly address what Christians are saying about this world. For every hateful, unChristlike Christian, there are Christians who disagree with such condemning words and who instead honour and obey Jesus.

So what? You're the one arguing the "No True Christian" canard.

Test ALL claims against the teachings and instruction of Jesus and the disciples, who passed on His teachings.

Yeah, they claim to have done that too, just like you.

I asked you an honest question. Do you believe that all Christians should be the same?

You don't want to answer? Fair enough.

Should be the same in what sense?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

@amariselle, I'm waiting for you to address my comments on your posts on page 78.

 

[amariselle]

Are you ignoring the Christians in that video?

Did you not read what I wrote? I clearly addressed the issue with the Christians in that video. I was aware of many of them already actually, you have not revealed anything new to me by sharing such videos.

So what? You're the one arguing the "No True Christian" canard.

No, I am referring to the words and teachings of Jesus.

Yeah, they claim to have done that too, just like you.

You are not listening. Test ALL claims against the teachings of Jesus and the disciples in Scripture.

Should be the same in what sense?

You seem to think that all Christians should be the same in every single belief. You seem to have a real issue with Christians expressing different beliefs on non-core issues.

Why is that exactly?

 

[amariselle]

@amariselle, I'm waiting for you to address my comments on your posts on page 78.

Once again, I already did.