The problem of evil

[amariselle]

A Sacramento preacher recently said about the Orlando shooting:

"The tragedy is that more of them didn't die."

He also said that God tell us to hate his enemies.

Case in point, Jesus NEVER said such things.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I didn't ask you to find the words of other people, I asked you to find words of Jesus and writings by His disciples and other early Christians in the Bible that say obeying Jesus means it is okay to hate or kill in His name.

Why don't you ask them? They're quite likely to accuse you of not being a "true Christian" of course. But hey, you can throw Bible verses at each other until one of you gives up.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Case in point, Jesus NEVER said such things.

So what? Jesus never said anything about abortion. Yet how many Christians are against reproductive rights?

 

[amariselle]

Why don't you ask them? They're quite likely to accuse you of not being a "true Christian" of course. But hey, you can throw Bible verses at each other until one of you gives up.

I have absolutely NO interest in doing so. You're the one who seems to think that such a hateful position is advocated for by Jesus in Scripture. It's not.

 

[amariselle]

So what? Jesus never said anything about abortion. Yet how many Christians are against reproductive rights?

Abortion is murder, so they'd be wrong if they think such things are in line with Jesus' commands and teachings.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have absolutely NO interest in doing so. You're the one who seems to think that such a hateful position is advocated for by Jesus in Scripture. It's not.

You can use scripture to advocate for anything. There are a plethora of topics that Jesus never spoke about, and yet Christians have no qualms saying, "The Christian stance on this issue is..."

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Abortion is murder, so they'd be wrong if they think such things are in line with Jesus' commands and teachings.

And they say you're wrong. So there's that.

 

[amariselle]

And they say you're wrong. So there's that.

Sure, you've answered your questions on the matter it would seem. Fair enough.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Sure, you've answered your questions on the matter it would seem. Fair enough.

Interestingly, you say that abortion isn't "in line with Jesus' commands and teachings," even though Jesus never spoke about abortion. Yet when it comes to other matters on which you disagree, such as the views of the Sacramento preacher, you say, "Jesus NEVER said such things." Your double standard couldn't be more transparent.

 

[amariselle]

Interestingly, you say that abortion isn't "in line with Jesus' commands and teachings," even though Jesus never spoke about abortion. Yet when it comes to other matters on which you disagree, such as the views of the Sacramento preacher, you say, "Jesus NEVER said such things." Your double standard couldn't be more transparent.

Jesus DID speak about murder. Abortion is murder. No double standard.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Jesus DID speak about murder. Abortion is murder. No double standard.

Jesus never said that abortion was murder. He never mentioned it at all. The same trick you're pulling could be used by that Sacramento pastor to justify his comments.

 

[amariselle]

Jesus never said that abortion was murder. He never mentioned it at all. The same trick you're pulling could be used by that Sacramento pastor to justify his comments.

Is killing another human being murder?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Case in point, Jesus NEVER said such things.

So do you disregard the rest of the Bible?

And not that I want to argue scripture, since I'm a non-theist, but a quick search brought up this article that mentions why it's Biblical to hate God's enemies:

https://faithandheritage.com/2011/06/hate-the-sin-and-hate-the-sinner/

I'm guessing I could find a whole lot more.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Is killing another human being murder?

Does an embryo have human personhood? What did Jesus have to say about that? Oh that's right, nothing whatsoever.

 

[amariselle]

Does an embryo have human personhood? What did Jesus have to say about that? Oh that's right, nothing whatsoever.

The Bible (the word of God) has plenty to say about God forming us in our mother's womb and knowing us before we are born. We are clearly persons before birth. Even science, which you hold to such an absolute worshipful standard, tells us that much.

 

[amariselle]

So do you disregard the rest of the Bible?

And not that I want to argue scripture, since I'm a non-theist, but a quick search brought up this article that mentions why it's Biblical to hate God's enemies:

https://faithandheritage.com/2011/06/hate-the-sin-and-hate-the-sinner/

I'm guessing I could find a whole lot more.

No, I believe the ENTIRE Bible is the word of God.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

No, I believe the ENTIRE Bible is the word of God.

Ok, so as the article says, it's supposedly Biblical to hate God's enemies.

 

[amariselle]

Ok, so as the article says, it supposedly Biblical to hate God's enemies.

I don't care what the article says, I care what the Bible says.

 

[Loudmouth]

And do you know who perpetrated them? Other scientists doing science. Interesting how that works. Apparently not all science is as truthful and honest as we've been led to believe.

The difference being is that we don't accept the claims of scientists as being dogmatically true. That is why we are able to throw out the hoaxes and base conclusion on real evidence. Compare this to creationism where no one is allowed to question creationism, and accept it as true no matter what.

I would rather go with the group that admits when they are wrong instead of the group that refuses to even consider it.

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't care what the article says, I care what the Bible says.

Most creationists don't care what the facts are.