Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

[Bob S]

Once again this “marked difference” is pulled out of thin air as it isn’t found anywhere in the Bible.
In fact what IS found is that everyone who wanted to serve and follow the one and Only God of Israel, joined themselves to His people and were to abide by His Commandments. No picking and choosing. One Torah (Instruction) for all who joined and served the one true God.


The other nations were unbelieving and lost.
If any one from the nations wanted to repent and turn away from their wicked ways and believe and cling to God, they would be joined (just like it is now) to the body of believers and abide by the instructions of God’s Kingdom.
God doesn’t have a set of Holy Instructions for those with Jewish blood and another for those witn non-Jewish blood. God’s commandments and Instructions are Spiritual and applicable by ALL those who have been born of the Spirit.
Salvation isn’t a matter of bloodline. Inclusion in the Kingdom is not a matter of bloodline. All of God’s Word is applicable to All of His Children.

Just where are you getting your information. Sounds like you are trying to make it up as you go along. If you would only think before you turn your fingers loose on the keyboard you would realize that people like the Aztecs were continents away from Israel and never heard of that side of the World. The American Indian nation never heard of the Israelite nation. Were all those people lost because they didn't do the rituals God instructed Israel to do? How about getting real friend, you need to broaden your thinking.

And therein lies the irony.

The only irony is that you are mistaken.

I am claiming and encouraging all believers who have been born again through the Spirit of God to follow and adhere to the ALL of the Spiritual Word of God.

Then get real and teach them the law of love which covers all that Christians are told to do.

You on the other hand are encouraging believers who have been born again through the Spirit of God to disregard 2/3 of the Spiritual Word of God as not applicable to them. (Please correct me if I’m wrong)

Only according to those who think they are still under the old covenant. I stand correcting you.

 

[bugkiller]

But of course since Sin is defined by the Law of God. The only absolute right and wrong code comes from the Word of God (including the Law). Sin and the wages of sin are only visible when we are judged by the Law of God.
Thankfully for those who have been bought by the blood of the Lamb, we have an advocate and we are no longer under the condemnation that the law of sin and death bring!

I will give you that the law identifies some sin. Sin was visible before the law. I refer you to the history of Cain.

If we're no longer under the condemnation of the law we're not under any of the law. The only purpose of law is to condemn wrong doing and provide the impetus or authority to punish the wrong doing. If the law can't accomplish this - its in effective or void. As such there is absolutely no reason to give the law a second thought according to your above statement. Besides that the Christian is redeemed from the law.

Read above.
But now that I have been redeemed and set free from the law of sin and death...that is the law that says that the wages for my sin is eternal death, and since I have been born again of the Spirit, my relationship with the Holy Law of God is not one of fear, dread, and shame, but rather of Joy, delight and reverence. Do we make null/void/abolish/cancel the Law of God when we come to faith???? God Forbid! We uphold/establish it Romans 3:31.

You read Romans 3:31 as a command to keep the law. If this were so Paul is nothing but a babbling idiot and not inspired by God. Thus you reject what Christians (including Peter a first line disciple of Jesus) call the Holy Scripture. No wonder the unbeliever rejects the Bible/Scripture.

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[bugkiller]

There is absolutely zero mention anywhere in the entire Bible where God separates and “categorizes” his commandments. All of God’s commandments make up His Torah (His Holy Instructions to His Children).

There is no such Biblical thing as a ritual part of the Law. What God says is right today is right tomorrow. What God says is wrong today is wrong tomorrow.

God’s Law is Spiritual. God’s Law is God’s Word. God’s Law is Perfect. God’s Law is Good. God’s Law is Righteous. God’s Law is TRUTH. As a child of God, it is an honor and privilege for me to read, apply, follow, and obey the commandments of God. Nothing burdensome about them (Deut 30:11-14/ 1 John 5:3).

I am grateful that God was so gracious as to give us His Word where He clearly tells us what pleases Him and what doesn’t. From the food we eat to the way we live. It’s all there.

Then there can be no new covenant and Jeremiah is a false prophet. Jesus is also a liar in that He said this is the new testament (covenant). No wonder why the unbeliever says the Bible is worthless and not to be considered. IOW the name of God is blasphemed.

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[bugkiller]

I’m almost not sure if you are joking or not. Are you seriously claiming that the commandments that God restated in Exodus 20:1-17 are commandments that we are free to break and transgress as we please today?

I think that would be a correct assumption as the Christian isn't under the law given to Israel. The Christian is under the new covenant.

Are you telling me that you are now free to serve and bow down to other gods, to dishonor your parents, to blaspheme God’s name, to lie, cheat on our spouses, steal, murder and covet as we please, because after all the clear commandments from God were only temporal?

Why do the pro law people always ask this silly question? Who but the pro law people even post such an idea?

Please show me anywhere in the Scriptures where God cancels any of His commandments or tells us that they are temporal.
What is temporal about these verses?

We have only to be ignored. [quoet]

Exodus 31:16 “So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.”
Leviticus 24:8 "Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the LORD continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.”
What does God’s forever and perpetual mean to you?[/QUOTE]
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Christians aren't sons of Israel.

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[bugkiller]

God HAD to choose a nation whereby to reveal Himself, His Son, His Word, His Salvation to the world. He could’ve chosen America, Africa, England, China, you name it.
He chose Israel. He chose Abraham and formed the nation of Israel, and it was only THROUGH Israel that all of the above plus some was instroduced to an unbelieving world.
Israel’s breaking of the covenant happened so that you and I could be added to His people. When I was chosen and redeemed, I joined and became part of God’s family, a family that consists of Abraham, Isaac, David, Paul, Peter and the thief of the cross. God’s family is not a family that “started” sometime in Acts 2 or after Yeshua (Jesus) died on the cross, but rather this family includes ALL who have believed and are called by His name.

Nice try to make all Christians, Israeli and obligated to their covenant.

You are 100% right. The Temple was destroyed. Without a temple, there cannot be a priesthood. Without a priesthood and a temple, there cannot be offerings and sacrifices.

Then you admit one can't keep the law.

But you are 100% wrong with your lumping of “the other restrictions Israel was to live by” with the Temple being destroyed.

NOPE!!! Its all the law even according to Moses.

Honoring their mother and father had nothing to do with the Temple. They were/are still required to be obedient to that law of God.
Loving their neighbor had nothing to do with the Temple. They were/are still required to be obedient to that law of God.
Taking good care of their animals had nothing to do with the Temple. They were/are still required to be obedient to that law of God.
Not working and setting apart God’s Holy Sabbath day was not contingent on the Temple. They were/are still required to to be obedient to that law of God.
Eating animals and things that God deemed as unclean and not food had nothing to do with the Temple. They were/are still required to be obedient to that law of God.
God’s commandments surrounding the Temple were very specific. In fact it would be disobeying the Law of God to attempt to keep any of the sacrificial/priesthood/Temple laws outside of the Temple.

What happened to Mat 5:17-18?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Once again this “marked difference” is pulled out of thin air as it isn’t found anywhere in the Bible.
In fact what IS found is that everyone who wanted to serve and follow the one and Only God of Israel, joined themselves to His people and were to abide by His Commandments. No picking and choosing. One Torah (Instruction) for all who joined and served the one true God.


The other nations were unbelieving and lost.
If any one from the nations wanted to repent and turn away from their wicked ways and believe and cling to God, they would be joined (just like it is now) to the body of believers and abide by the instructions of God’s Kingdom.
God doesn’t have a set of Holy Instructions for those with Jewish blood and another for those witn non-Jewish blood. God’s commandments and Instructions are Spiritual and applicable by ALL those who have been born of the Spirit.
Salvation isn’t a matter of bloodline. Inclusion in the Kingdom is not a matter of bloodline. All of God’s Word is applicable to All of His Children.


And therein lies the irony.
I am claiming and encouraging all believers who have been born again through the Spirit of God to follow and adhere to the ALL of the Spiritual Word of God.
You on the other hand are encouraging believers who have been born again through the Spirit of God to disregard 2/3 of the Spiritual Word of God as not applicable to them. (Please correct me if I’m wrong)

Sheesh and you claim to be Messianic. You should at least read the Book of the Law.

bugkiller

 

[tzadik]

Just where are you getting your information. Sounds like you are trying to make it up as you go along. If you would only think before you turn your fingers loose on the keyboard you would realize that people like the Aztecs were continents away from Israel and never heard of that side of the World. The American Indian nation never heard of the Israelite nation. Were all those people lost because they didn't do the rituals God instructed Israel to do? How about getting real friend, you need to broaden your thinking.

I am only telling you what the Scriptures tell us.
Does the Bible tell us that God chose Israel out of ALL the nations (Aztects included) to introduce through them His Word, His Messiah, Himself? Yes it does. (Deuteronomy 7:1-6. Isaiah 42:6-7.) Everything from Abraham all the way up to what we call "the Great commission" is God instructing His people to go into the world and teach the world about the God of Israel, about the Word of God given to Israel, about Jesus (Yeshua) the Messiah out of Israel, about His commandments and everything that Yeshua taught.
Whether you like it or not that is God's plan and that's how it is being played out. Anyone would be hard pressed to find even a Biblical New Covenant that is outside of the House of Israel and the House of Judah. God's salvation, God's redemption, God's reign---it is all intricately interwoven with Israel from beginning to end.
I am saved and part of God's people today because the Jewish disciples and the followers of Yeshua obeyed the command to go into the world and share the good news of the Kingdom of God!

 

[tzadik]

Then get real and teach them the law of love which covers all that Christians are told to do.

Like I said before, the Bible does not give us 2 or more "books of Instructions" that believers in God are to live by.

Abraham lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions (Genesis 26:5).
David lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions. (Psalm 119)
Paul lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions. (Acts 24:14, Acts 21:24)

There is only one way for those who have been born again to live and that's God's way according to ALL Truth.
Psalm 119
(V. 142) "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your law is truth.
(V.151) You are near, O LORD, and all Your commandments are truth.
(V. 160) The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting."

 

[tzadik]

If we're no longer under the condemnation of the law we're not under any of the law.

That is an absurd statement.
You murder someone and instead of getting the death penalty, someone takes your place so you don't have to die.
When you step back outside would you consider yourself free from the law that says "do not murder" because someone took your punishment? If anything, your gratefulness to that person who took your place will make you live the rest of your life so careful to not even step on any ants when you walk.
Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for our sins, but by no means does his sacrifice and our eternal life give us the right to disobey any of God's commandments. His redemption coupled with the regeneration taking place through His Spirit enables us TO BE ABLE TO be obedient to His commandments live in a manner that pleases Him, instead of the former way that we lived to please the devil and our own desires.

 

[tzadik]

The only purpose of law is to condemn wrong doing and provide the impetus or authority to punish the wrong doing.

There are so many layers of problems with our understanding of God's Word, starting with our English definition of the Hebrew word Torah. The word Torah does not at all mean "law" but rather the word "instruction". Even this very minor change in translation greatly affects the way we look at God's commandments and instructions.
The Torah (Instructions) of God are multidimensional and multipurpose. His Torah acts as a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ, but also serves as an instruction manual AFTER salvation that guides us in living a life that pleases God.

Do you think it's possible for a believer to love the Torah (law, instruction) of God?

Psalms 119
97. O how I love Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
113. I hate those who are double-minded, But I love Your law.
163. I hate and despise falsehood, But I love Your law.
165. Those who love Your law have great peace, And nothing causes them to stumble.

What do the below verses mean to you?
Psalm 19
7. The law (Torah) of the LORD is perfect, restoring the soul; The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
8. The precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
9. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true; they are righteous altogether.
10. They are more desirable than gold, yes, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the drippings of the honeycomb.
11. Moreover, by them Your servant is warned; In keeping them there is great reward.

The above verses are written to believers not unbelievers.
The Torah of God is written FOR believers.
It is more desirable than gold FOR believers.
It is sweeter than Honey FOR believers.
By them believers are warned.
Keeping God's commandments brings great reward TO believers.

This Law of God is death and condemnation only and not for Christians is nonsense and has to stop.
God's Word is very clear that God's Law (Torah) is perfect, right, true, pure, Spiritual, Holy and good.

If a Christian wants to disobey, not follow or somehow think that Jesus came to ABOLISH (Matthew 5:17-19) the Holy Torah of God that is their prerogative.

I for one find it very clear in Scripture that the commandments, instructions and ordinances of God are perfect and written for My good. So maybe we should agree to disagree as it will all be revealed when He returns.

"Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD will be established as the chief of the mountains, and will be raised above the hills; and all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say,
"Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the Law will go forth from Zion and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem."

 

[BABerean2]

There are so many layers of problems with our understanding of God's Word, starting with our English definition of the Hebrew word Torah. The word Torah does not at all mean "law" but rather the word "instruction". Even this very minor change in translation greatly affects the way we look at God's commandments and instructions.
The Torah (Instructions) of God are multidimensional and multipurpose. His Torah acts as a schoolmaster that leads us to Christ, but also serves as an instruction manual AFTER salvation that guides us in living a life that pleases God.

Do you think it's possible for a believer to love the Torah (law, instruction) of God?

Let us look at a passage that is clear.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. (Here the Apostle Paul compares the Sinai covenant to bondage.)

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. (Here again the Sinai covenant is compared to bondage.)

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(Based on Hebrews 11:16, New Jerusalem is now in heaven.)

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
(The Apostle Paul tells the Galatian church to cast out the Sinai covenant of bondage.)

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


We are the children of the New Covenant, instead of the Sinai covenant of bondage.

The Sinai covenant was put in place 430 years "after" the promise to Abraham because of transgressions "until" the Seed could come.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The Seed came about 2,000 years ago and brought in the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Let go of it. It has already served its purpose.

Some of us are just like the Judaisers.

They cannot let go of the Sinai covenant of bondage.

They desire to place the Yoke of Acts chapter 15 upon the neck of Christians.

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[tzadik]

Let us look at a passage that is clear.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

In this passage like countless others, Paul is once again reiterating that Salvation is something that comes from above and is brought forth by God alone.
Any attempt to merit salvation through the work of men will prove to bring bondage and not freedom.
Hagar and Sarah’s sons perfectly illustrates the difference between one trying to receive God’s promise of salvation by the work of God and another trying to receive God’s promise of salvation by the work of men.

Throughout the “New Testament” Paul and the disciples constantly ran into those who were attempting to earn salvation through their works, or their obedience to specific commandments.
Any effort to use the Sinaic covenant as a means of salvation will fail to deliver men from the bondage of sin.
No one will receive the promise of salvation through human effor. IT takes a work of God for any of us to have salvation.

The argument was NEVER about whether or not God’s commandments were to be obeyed and followed AS believers. This is clear as ALL of the disciples and believers in the “New Testament” lived their lives in obedience to God’s commandments.
The argument was always against those who were attempting to require human effort and work and obedience as a means to earning salvation.

 

[tzadik]

We are the children of the New Covenant, instead of the Sinai covenant of bondage.

Are you referring to the New Covenant referenced below?
If so, can you please tell me what "Law (Torah)" is being referred to below?

“Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My Law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
"If this fixed order departs from before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation before Me forever."
Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth searched out below, then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done," declares the LORD.
"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when the city will be rebuilt for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
"The measuring line will go out farther straight ahead to the hill Gareb; then it will turn to Goah.”

Also, can you please tell me which of the highlighted green parts have already come to pass today?

 

[BABerean2]

Are you referring to the New Covenant referenced below?
If so, can you please tell me what "Law (Torah)" is being referred to below?

“Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,
not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My Law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
"They will not teach again, each man his neighbor and each man his brother, saying, `Know the LORD,' for they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them," declares the LORD, "for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."
Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:
"If this fixed order departs from before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring of Israel also will cease from being a nation before Me forever."
Thus says the LORD, "If the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth searched out below, then I will also cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done," declares the LORD.
"Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when the city will be rebuilt for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate.
"The measuring line will go out farther straight ahead to the hill Gareb; then it will turn to Goah.”

Also, can you please tell me which of the highlighted green parts have already come to pass today?

Yes. I can.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.


διαθήκη
diathēkē
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Total KJV occurrences: 33

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.



2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.



1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

.1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.


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[tzadik]

They desire to place the Yoke of Acts chapter 15 upon the neck of Christians.

According to your understanding of Acts 15 you think that anyone who encourages believers to be obedient to and follow the commandments of God are actually placing a yokes on necks.

Let’s play a game call, who’s lying.

Acts 15:10
“Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?”

Was God lying when He clearly told us that His commandments are not too difficult for you or out of reach?
Deuteronomy 30:11-14
"For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
It is not in heaven, that you should say, `Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, `Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?'
But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.”

Was God lying, when He clearly told us to rejoice in the Law of God calling it a delight?
Psalm 1:2
“But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night.”
Psalm 119:174
“I long for Your salvation, O LORD, And Your law is my delight.”

Was God lying when He clearly told us that His commandments are NOT burdensome?
1 John 5:3
“For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.”

Was God lying when He showed us THROUGHOUT the Scriptures that all the true believers (including the disciples’ fathers in Acts 15) in God lived a life of obedience and kept His commandments?
Abraham (Genesis 26:5), David (1 Kings 14:8, Psalm 119:60), Reubenites and Gadites (Joshua 22:1-3), Hezekiah (2 Kings 18:6), Paul (Acts 21:24, Acts 24:14), Zacharias and Elizabeth (Luke 1:6)

Was Paul lying when he told us that he delights and agrees with the Law of God with his inner being? (Romans 7:22)

Not to mention that Peter is talking to the same congregation in verse 10 of Acts 15 that was later referred to as being zealous for the Law of God in Acts 21:20
“And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, "You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law”

If none of the above people and God are lying, could you be misinterpreting or misunderstanding Peter’s statement in Acts 15:10?

 

[tzadik]

Yes. I can.

First question was...Is the "New Covenant" you are referring to the one referenced in Jeremiah 31?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

You bring it up again in Hebrew so I'm assuming the answer is a yes.
Who does the passage (Jeremiah 31 or Hebrew 8) say the New Covenant will be made with?

And did verse 11 above come to pass already? Do we will need to teach our neighbor to Know the Lord or does everyone know Him?

 

[BABerean2]

First question was...Is the "New Covenant" you are referring to the one referenced in Jeremiah 31?



You bring it up again in Hebrew so I'm assuming the answer is a yes.
Who does the passage (Jeremiah 31 or Hebrew 8) say the New Covenant will be made with?

And did verse 11 above come to pass already? Do we will need to teach our neighbor to Know the Lord or does everyone know Him?

There is only one New Covenant.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Much of the text from Hebrews chapter 8 is the same as Jeremiah chapter 31.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Are you denying that the New Covenant from Jeremiah chapter 31 is the same as the New Covenant found fulfilled in Hebrews chapter 8?

And are you denying that the New Covenant is "now" in effect.


Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
(This is found fulfilled in 2 Corinthians 3:3.)

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
(We are the priests of the New Covenant.)

Hebrews 8:11 has come to pass for those who are in Christ and indwelled with the Holy Spirit.
It is the Spirit that is now the teacher to those who are in the New Covenant.
Therefore, it is not men who are teaching those who are already in the New Covenant.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
(This is because of the sacrifice of Christ at Calvary.)


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(This verse is the real problem for those who cannot let go of the Sinai covenant of bondage.)

2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
(This is the fulfillment of Hebrews 8:11.)

The New Covenant promised to the house of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31 was first made with the house of Israel in Acts 2:36.

The Gentiles branches were grafted in among the Israelite branches of the Olive Tree in Romans chapter 11.

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[Hoghead1]

Like I said before, the Bible does not give us 2 or more "books of Instructions" that believers in God are to live by.

Abraham lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions (Genesis 26:5).
David lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions. (Psalm 119)
Paul lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions. (Acts 24:14, Acts 21:24)

There is only one way for those who have been born again to live and that's God's way according to ALL Truth.
Psalm 119
(V. 142) "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your law is truth.
(V.151) You are near, O LORD, and all Your commandments are truth.
(V. 160) The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting."

Yes, but the Bible does portray David as a sinner.

 

[bugkiller]

I am only telling you what the Scriptures tell us.
Does the Bible tell us that God chose Israel out of ALL the nations (Aztects included) to introduce through them His Word, His Messiah, Himself? Yes it does. (Deuteronomy 7:1-6. Isaiah 42:6-7.) Everything from Abraham all the way up to what we call "the Great commission" is God instructing His people to go into the world and teach the world about the God of Israel, about the Word of God given to Israel, about Jesus (Yeshua) the Messiah out of Israel, about His commandments and everything that Yeshua taught.
Whether you like it or not that is God's plan and that's how it is being played out. Anyone would be hard pressed to find even a Biblical New Covenant that is outside of the House of Israel and the House of Judah. God's salvation, God's redemption, God's reign---it is all intricately interwoven with Israel from beginning to end.
I am saved and part of God's people today because the Jewish disciples and the followers of Yeshua obeyed the command to go into the world and share the good news of the Kingdom of God!

Is Acts of the Apostles true?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Like I said before, the Bible does not give us 2 or more "books of Instructions" that believers in God are to live by.

Abraham lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions (Genesis 26:5).
David lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions. (Psalm 119)
Paul lived God's way, living according to All of God's Instructions. (Acts 24:14, Acts 21:24)

There is only one way for those who have been born again to live and that's God's way according to ALL Truth.
Psalm 119
(V. 142) "Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your law is truth.
(V.151) You are near, O LORD, and all Your commandments are truth.
(V. 160) The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting."

NOPE!!! not according to your idea or that of the prophets.

bugkiller