Do the current violent actions

[PapaZoom]

You still can't make nothing into something with this, no matter how indignant you want us to think you are.

It's a tactic called shifting blame....I see it all the time with little kids at school

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

1). No Trump Supporter has ever attacked a Bernie or Hillary Supporter, nor a Trump Protester that I know of.
2). Hillary was shifting blame from the people causing violence to Trump himself, so the analogy doesn't work.

Now, if Trump stood up at that podium and said "My supporters are protesting at their rallies because Hillary says such mean things" then he'd be guilty. But you know what?

1). Trump supporters stick to Trump Rallies. They don't need to protest at Hillary's rallies. Maybe Hillary supporters should learn a thing or two?
2). Trump never shifted blame onto Hillary or Bernie. If a Trump supporter ever did attack a Hillary/Bernie supporter, I don't recall Trump ever condoning it nor shifting blame to Hillary/Bernie's words.

So..... try again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mp-supporter-in-brutal-video-of-tucson-rally/
Did you not hear about this?

 

[PapaZoom]

Maybe if they had entered the country lawfully in the first place, then we wouldn't need to play cleanup. Obama let these people enter the country by illegal means (no, him signing the executive order was NOT constitutional) and we don't even have papers on these people, and they are not following our immigration laws.

So what do you think we should do with them? They're in the country illegally, they are not following our immigration laws, and we don't have papers on a lot of these people.

They need to be booted out IMO. They have no legal right to be here.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Then what happens? Bernie already lost, Hillary's indicted... then it'd be basically Trump vs Write-ins. IIRC, once they (Dems or Reps) nominate someone, they're stuck with it.

I did not know that; if true the best they could do is throw there support behind a 3rd party candidate or write-in.....without much chance on election day.

 

[Albion]

Ah yes. Shifting blame.

That would be like denouncing Trump for name-calling when what he's been called by the Dems is equal to it or worse.

 

[PapaZoom]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mp-supporter-in-brutal-video-of-tucson-rally/
Did you not hear about this?

Saw it. One dude. Big deal. You're shifting the blame and the point of this thread. The progressive left shows a pattern of systematic violence whereas any Trump supporter violence is isolated to a small few. Nice try and thanks for playing.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Maybe if they had entered the country lawfully in the first place, then we wouldn't need to play cleanup. Obama let these people enter the country by illegal means (no, him signing the executive order was NOT constitutional) and we don't even have papers on these people, and they are not following our immigration laws.

So what do you think we should do with them? They're in the country illegally, they are not following our immigration laws, and we don't have papers on a lot of these people.

So Trump is limiting it only to Muslims who are illegal immigrants? Not Muslim students, Muslims who are citizens and returning to the US, etc?

 

[Xalith]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...mp-supporter-in-brutal-video-of-tucson-rally/
Did you not hear about this?

lol.

Did you somehow miss a couple facts?

The guy who got punched walked into the Trump Rally wearing a KKK uniform and got punched by a black man.

And Trump Himself said "We don't condone violence and I say it".

He jokes around about it but at the end of the day, real violence at rallies is not cool, even when the guy doing it is on his side.

 

[civilwarbuff]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/clinton-trump-rally-violence-223885

Really strong condemnation....likens to a backhanded complement.....

 

[Xalith]

So Trump is limiting it only to Muslims who are illegal immigrants? Not Muslim students, Muslims who are citizens and returning to the US, etc?

AFAIK, he only wanted to apply this to illegals and temporarily ban people from entering (I doubt he'd bar those who are already citizens) until the vetting system is set up and ready to go.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Saw it. One dude. Big deal. You're shifting the blame and the point of this thread. The progressive left shows a pattern of systematic violence whereas any Trump supporter violence is isolated to a small few. Nice try and thanks for playing.

You said there were none, I pointed to one.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Really strong condemnation....likens to a backhanded complement.....

So it's a small condemnation, but it's still bether than no condemnation or encouragement.

 

[PapaZoom]

You said there were none, I pointed to one.

I don't believe I said that. Either way, congratulations on your find. But you're still wrong.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I partially agree--that there's a logic in waiting until after the nomination. But I think that if it happens, she will escape prosecution by withdrawing from the race, and the party will replace her with Biden, which will be legal because the nominee has withdrawn, just as would happen if she'd died.

The thing about replacing.....that is up to the rules of each state IIRC. There is a certain time period before the election to get on the ballot, right?

 

[Xalith]

So it's a small condemnation, but it's still bether than no condemnation or encouragement.

Except, there was condemnation on Trump's part, because he said "We don't condone violence". And notice how he DIDN'T shift the blame onto Hillary or Bernie?

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

AFAIK, he only wanted to apply this to illegals and temporarily ban people from entering (I doubt he'd bar those who are already citizens) until the vetting system is set up and ready to go.

The only people that a vetting system would vet would be those who enter through official channels. How could it only apply then to illegal immigrants?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Well I also figure the bible says how bad things will get in the end. So maybe whoever is president next leads us into a WW since america is not mentioned in the bible. If anything I'm actually 100% america will end in my lifetime. Whether by nukes or war or what not. And I'm ok with it. Death means nothing to me as a christian anyways.

 

[Xalith]

The only people that a vetting system would vet would be those who enter through official channels. How could it only apply then to illegal immigrants?

You give the illegals a choice -- go through the legal immigration system or get deported. It's just that simple. "Get legal or get out".

 

[Albion]

Saw it. One dude. Big deal. You're shifting the blame and the point of this thread. The progressive left shows a pattern of systematic violence whereas any Trump supporter violence is isolated to a small few. Nice try and thanks for playing.

And although I don't condone that act, the guy punched was being hauled out of the arena by the police because of his own attempt to disrupt the meeting. I can't help but compare that with grown men running down peaceable attendees from behind and slugging them at the San Jose rally for nothing more than walking away from the place. And throwing missles and eggs at a young woman after they'd cut off her exit route! Hillary and Bernie devotees may try to make some equivalency out of these different incidents, but it's impossible.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

Except, there was condemnation on Trump's part, because he said "We don't condone violence". And notice how he DIDN'T shift the blame onto Hillary or Bernie?

But he did
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...ie-sanders-fans-violence-160313035836072.html