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Gal 4 "under the Law" vs "under Grace" in Romans 6 and not sinning

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The law is a testimony of God's grace.
Did you make that up or was it something ol ellen wrote?

His love for us is so great that He does things for us to help us.
His love is so great we humans cannot fathom it. I don't seem to get your statement. If it were not for God we could do nothing. He sustains us in everything we do.

The law is speaks to me, lets me know in detail of my sins.
The law cannot speak my friend. You are making that up without much thought. The Holy Spirit within us speaks to us. It is our guide given to us at Pentecost as a gift by Jesus. The law was the guide for Israel. Israel failed, the Holy Spirit will not let us fail unless we grieve it away. 2Cor3:7-11

With out it, Jesus cant help me.
Both, the law and Jesus, a gift from God to save humanity.
Where do you come up with this stuff friend?
 
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Bob S, we agree on most, please come back to earth. You raised an issue from my post to disciple 1, in which I posted A) The law was given to make people righteous.....

And I wrote that all the law was able to do is point out sin. See the "if" in Deut 6:25? It was never a possibility that Israel could "observe all these commandments". Jesus said "be ye perfect" and "go and sin no more". He knew that is impossible for man to do without His blood. Moses set a perfect standard that would never be reached by a mere human. Only God lives without sinning. I am a realist and it appears you seem to be an idealist. I have no idea why Moses would say such a thing. Had the Israelites beeen able to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps Jesus would not have had to come to give them a chance at eternal life. Moses even failed to do what he was telling others to do.


Deu 6:25 ‘Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us.’


That is the only discussion we're having. I'm sure if you redeem Deu6:25 you'd understand that it's calling for righteousness by keeping the law. I've asked you to explain the verse but you not sharing what you get from it. I've posted to you Rom10:5 where Paul explained that Moses taught righteousness by keeping the law. You keep talking around me.
Your scenario is a misnomer. Man cannot keep the law.

Okay, you try it and see how far you get. No dependence on Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Come back and tell us about your experience. Show us the way to take Jesus out of our lives.
 
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Did you make that up or was it something ol ellen wrote?


His love is so great we humans cannot fathom it. I don't seem to get your statement. If it were not for God we could do nothing. He sustains us in everything we do.


The law cannot speak my friend. You are making that up without much thought. The Holy Spirit within us speaks to us. It is our guide given to us at Pentecost as a gift by Jesus. The law was the guide for Israel. Israel failed, the Holy Spirit will not let us fail unless we grieve it away. 2Cor3:7-11

Where do you come up with this stuff friend?

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:19,20
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet. Rom 7:7

No need to read anything else when the bible is so clear. Plus, being blessed with the presences of the Holy Spirit, one can read it and fully understand God's word. It is amazing how then Ellen White's writings make sense, Echo the bible.
I remember when I was just read and understood on my own will the bible seldom made sense. After I met the Lord, Like Paul, every things started to make sense including Ms. White's writings.

My friend, hopefully, we read the same bible and are guided by the same spirit so we may have the same savior and be found in the same heaven worship the same god.
 
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Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:19,20
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet. Rom 7:7

No need to read anything else when the bible is so clear. Plus, being blessed with the presences of the Holy Spirit, one can read it and fully understand God's word. It is amazing how then Ellen White's writings make sense, Echo the bible.
I remember when I was just read and understood on my own will the bible seldom made sense. After I met the Lord, Like Paul, every things started to make sense including Ms. White's writings.

My friend, hopefully, we read the same bible and are guided by the same spirit so we may have the same savior and be found in the same heaven worship the same god.
From everything I read White doesn't know this, don't the christian science people have someone they quote like their god to.
2 Corinthians chapter 3 verses 6-9
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant not of the letter but of the spirit; for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, will not the ministry of the spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
That shows Moses ministry didn't bring righteousness.
 
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From everything I read White doesn't know this, don't the christian science people have someone they quote like their god to.
2 Corinthians chapter 3 verses 6-9
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant not of the letter but of the spirit; for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life.
Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, will not the ministry of the spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
That shows Moses ministry didn't bring righteousness.
Acts chapter 20 verse 30
Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
That's mrs. white and mary baker eddy for sure.
If you don't like that is says men, you want Genesis chapter 5 verse 2 In the begining god created them male and female and called them man.
 
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Acts chapter 20 verse 30
Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.
That's mrs. white and mary baker eddy for sure.
If you don't like that is says men, you want Genesis chapter 5 verse 2 In the begining god created them male and female and called them man.

As highlighted, the bible clearly lets us know.
thanks
 
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Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:19,20
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet. Rom 7:7
Gal3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

No need to read anything else when the bible is so clear. Plus, being blessed with the presences of the Holy Spirit, one can read it and fully understand God's word. It is amazing how then Ellen White's writings make sense, Echo the bible.
So far my friend you have not been clear at all. I pointed out your errors and I noticed you didn't respond. How long have you been SDA? ellen white was a farce and I have proved over and over right here on the forum that she was a false prophet You have been duped, too bad.

I remember when I was just read and understood on my own will the bible seldom made sense. After I met the Lord, Like Paul, every things started to make sense including Ms. White's writings.
How about some examples. I was SDA for 40 years, I know enough to know that what they teach is mostly false.

My friend, hopefully, we read the same bible and are guided by the same spirit so we may have the same savior and be found in the same heaven worship the same god.
I really do not intend to be picky, but you surely know if you are going to capitalize anything it would be the Godhead. I noticed you capitalized Ms. White. Is all this telling us something?

I truly believe many SDAs are guided by ellen and refuse the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Gal3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed (Jesus) should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


So far my friend you have not been clear at all. I pointed out your errors and I noticed you didn't respond. How long have you been SDA? ellen white was a farce and I have proved over and over right here on the forum that she was a false prophet You have been duped, too bad.


How about some examples. I was SDA for 40 years, I know enough to know that what they teach is mostly false.


I really do not intend to be picky, but you surely know if you are going to capitalize anything it would be the Godhead. I noticed you capitalized Ms. White. Is all this telling us something?

I truly believe many SDAs are guided by ellen and refuse the guidance of the Holy Spirit.


you said the law does not speak.. and question my premise. lets stick to bible and bible only.

Does the law calls out (speaks as if it had a mouth) by name all the sins that we have committed or not? Rom 7:7
is it because of sin (my actions and no one else) that we are dead and not the law? Rom 6:23
Will the the HOLY Spirit teach us something different than the Son or the Father? John 14:23-29

On regard to the capitalizing Ms. White's name is called proper English grammar.

But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14,15

DESIRE a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen.

Bob questioning the capitalization of the name of a person in the English language and seeing that you dont do it, it tells me a lot about you.
From now on, any time that you post, I will only reply with "I am praying for you my brother".

Dont know what happened to you but you are hurting bad. My prayers are with you.

Blessings
 
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you said the law does not speak.. and question my premise. lets stick to bible and bible only.

Does the law calls out (speaks as if it had a mouth) by name all the sins that we have committed or not? Rom 7:7
is it because of sin (my actions and no one else) that we are dead and not the law? Rom 6:23
Will the the HOLY Spirit teach us something different than the Son or the Father? John 14:23-29

On regard to the capitalizing Ms. White's name is called proper English grammar.

But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. James 1:14,15

DESIRE a strong feeling of wanting to have something or wishing for something to happen.

Bob questioning the capitalization of the name of a person in the English language and seeing that you dont do it, it tells me a lot about you.
From now on, any time that you post, I will only reply with "I am praying for you my brother".

Dont know what happened to you but you are hurting bad. My prayers are with you.

Blessings
Thank you for your prayers and remember it is the Holy Spirit that is speaking to you not the old covenant law.

Why is it when we post hard questions to law thumpers you coil up and refuse to debate the issues then tell us things like "you are hurting bad"? You have no idea how I feel, the problem is you cannot stand to hear the truth and so you lash out like you did to me. You couldn't even admit you are wrong for not capitalizing the Godhead, too bad.

I will continue to try and help you and I really do not need to hear back from you.
 
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Bob S, we agree on most, please come back to earth. You raised an issue from my post to disciple 1, in which I posted A) The law was given to make people righteous.....
Deu 6:25 ‘Then it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to observe all these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us.’

That is the only discussion we're having. I'm sure if you redeem Deu6:25 you'd understand that it's calling for righteousness by keeping the law. I've asked you to explain the verse but you not sharing what you get from it. I've posted to you Rom10:5 where Paul explained that Moses taught righteousness by keeping the law. You keep talking around me.


reserve comments till we clear 1 issue.
Okay, I admit I couldn't explain to your satisfaction Deut 6:25. I do understand why you have been so adamant about me answering because the verse goes against all of what is taught in the New Testament, the things I hold so dearly.

I believe I do have the answer to give you that will satisfy. Part of keeping the law was the sacrificial system, the blood offerings for sins committed. These were temporary measures to cover sins and produce righteousness. As long as they sincerely careful to obey this part of the law they maintained righteousness. 23 "But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.” (right doing)

Now a question for you. Please explain Gal 3:21.

Galatians 3:21New International Version (NIV)
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

Paul here is saying that there is no law that could produce righteousness. This is certainly a conundrum with Deut 6:25
 
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Okay, I admit I couldn't explain to your satisfaction Deut 6:25. I do understand why you have been so adamant about me answering because the verse goes against all of what is taught in the New Testament, the things I hold so dearly.

I believe I do have the answer to give you that will satisfy. Part of keeping the law was the sacrificial system, the blood offerings for sins committed. These were temporary measures to cover sins and produce righteousness. As long as they sincerely careful to obey this part of the law they maintained righteousness. 23 "But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.” (right doing)

Now a question for you. Please explain Gal 3:21.

Galatians 3:21New International Version (NIV)
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

Paul here is saying that there is no law that could produce righteousness. This is certainly a conundrum with Deut 6:25
Bob S, you are a stand up guy:oldthumbsup:. I'm sure we can work out any confusion by holding on to what scripture reinforces. First I will give my understanding of Galatians 3:21.
Paul first asks: Does the law oppose or hinder God's promises to bless all nations through Abraham's seed? NO, Here's why. If any one of the commandments (law) had promised eternal life, then men could become righteous by the law. (They wouldn't need the promise)
Friend, this scripture is saying that not one of the 613+ commandments promised eternal life. It's also saying that: 'If' any one of commandments promised life, then righteousness would have been attainable by the law.
We probably agree that righteousness is right doing or doing right.
Being created in the image of God, we were righteous until sin (wrong doing).
Abraham's faith was credited for righteousness means that righteousness is not only related to the law.


Now concerning Deut 6:25. This is not Moses idea, it is God who told Moses to command the people to keep the law for righteousness.
 
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Bob S, you are a stand up guy:oldthumbsup:. I'm sure you'll we can work out any confusion by holding on to what scripture reinforces. First I will give my understanding of Galatians 3:21.
Paul first asks: Does the law oppose or hinder God's promises to bless all nations through Abraham's seed? NO, Here's why. If any one of the commandments (law) had promised eternal life, then men could become righteous by the law. (They wouldn't need the promise)
Friend, this scripture is saying that not one of the 613+ commandments promised eternal life. It's also saying that: 'If' any one of commandments promised life, then righteousness would have been attainable by the law.
We probably agree that righteousness is right doing or doing right.
Being created in the image of God, we were righteous until sin (wrong doing).
Abraham's faith was credited for righteousness means that righteousness is not only related to the law. There should be no doubt that the law was given


Now concerning Deut 6:25. This is not Moses idea, it's God who told Moses to command the people to keep the law for righteousness.
To put it simply even if you keep all 613 commandments, without faith it is impossible to please God.
 
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Thank you for your prayers and remember it is the Holy Spirit that is speaking to you not the old covenant law.

Why is it when we post hard questions to law thumpers you coil up and refuse to debate the issues then tell us things like "you are hurting bad"? You have no idea how I feel, the problem is you cannot stand to hear the truth and so you lash out like you did to me. You couldn't even admit you are wrong for not capitalizing the Godhead, too bad.

I will continue to try and help you and I really do not need to hear back from you.


First and foremost, please forgive me it was never my intent to hurt you in anyway. The truth to me it is never offensive. I get discomfort with lies.
in the same heaven worship the same god
On the note of the Godhead, Bob proper English grammar. when we speak of the Creator, the Almighty, we are then talking about God. When we speak about the gods of the universe, we dont capitalize it. Furthermore, it is for us to make notice and have good, solid, biblical foundation so we are not caught up, trapped, by our false teachings, guided by our emotions.

So on the lashing part, Ellen is a woman's name. A rule (law) of grammar in the English language is that the first letter of a person's name must be capitalized. When we dont do so is because of ignorance to the fact or choice. You openly said you choose to. If I may continue, when we choose to disobey or do as expected or told, to go against the truth, we cant blame no one else but ourselves. I LIKE IT AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. James 1:12-18.
I love the bible.

Bob on regard to my personal walk with the Lord. I have been a baptized member of the SDA church since 1999, a servant of our Lord Jesus Christ since 2004. On 03', I was blessed to be the Youth Sabbath School teacher, deacon, Pathfinder counselor, AY activity director for the local church and assisted on a conference level. And this was on a 600 member church.
Since 04' that I met the Lord, for the last 12 years, I have been blessed to assist to lead His church.
Thru me the Lord
  1. has turn a couple of small churches 10 to 60 or better in less than 6 months.
  2. has kept churches from closing
  3. has saved marriages
  4. has saved souls
  5. an much more
  6. the best, He is saved me by putting my faith in Him into action
I dont like titles or nicknames: some call me
  1. elder (ordain for over 10 years)
  2. International Evangelist (Mexico, Honduras, Dom Rep, several US states)
  3. pastor (assisted several districts)

He has blessed me with many talents, in particular:
  1. can read and understand the bible without the aid of anyone but Himself
  2. can preach a new sermon on a minute notice. 1 minute to pray and open the bible
  3. can see and hear Him
Should I, I ,I, I, i continue?

it is never about how long we have been reading the bible but do we know Jesus?
you should know by the fruit of the spirit.

Not avoiding but didnt see a need to get into a who's the best, knows Him longer.
Our Lord Jesus Christ didnt call attention to Himself by boasting about His persona.
Nor did He do anything to be praised. People saw something in Him that they needed and
wanted.
I will leave you with this Note:
When my son was around 12 years old, I wanted to get his attention and interest on the bible.
I was planning to do so by showing him how much I knew. So I asked him to read a text in the
bible and tell me what he thought about it. Surprised was I. He spoke on the matter in ways that
I had never heard before. I was amazed by my son at 12 and I was almost 40 and a leader in the church.

God bless
 
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To put it simply even if you keep all 613 commandments, without faith it is impossible to please God.
That's truth.......
Pro 16:7 When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him.
Pro 16:8 Better is a little with righteousness than great revenues without right.
Pro 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
 
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Bob S, you are a stand up guy:oldthumbsup:. I'm sure we can work out any confusion by holding on to what scripture reinforces. First I will give my understanding of Galatians 3:21.
Paul first asks: Does the law oppose or hinder God's promises to bless all nations through Abraham's seed? NO, Here's why. If any one of the commandments (law) had promised eternal life, then men could become righteous by the law. (They wouldn't need the promise)
Friend, this scripture is saying that not one of the 613+ commandments promised eternal life. It's also saying that: 'If' any one of commandments promised life, then righteousness would have been attainable by the law.
We probably agree that righteousness is right doing or doing right.
Being created in the image of God, we were righteous until sin (wrong doing).
Abraham's faith was credited for righteousness means that righteousness is not only related to the law.


Now concerning Deut 6:25. This is not Moses idea, it is God who told Moses to command the people to keep the law for righteousness.
We have to love even if Jesus didn't come, and that's done by faith, but Jesus showed his love by laying down his life.
Proverbs chapter 16 verse 6
Through love and faithfulness sin is atoned for; through the fear of the LORD evil is avoided.
1 peter chapter 4
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Jeremiah chapter 22 verse 16
He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
and so all went well.
Is that not what it means to know me?”
declares the Lord.
 
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Okay, I admit I couldn't explain to your satisfaction Deut 6:25. I do understand why you have been so adamant about me answering because the verse goes against all of what is taught in the New Testament, the things I hold so dearly.

I believe I do have the answer to give you that will satisfy. Part of keeping the law was the sacrificial system, the blood offerings for sins committed. These were temporary measures to cover sins and produce righteousness. As long as they sincerely careful to obey this part of the law they maintained righteousness. 23 "But he brought us out from there to bring us in and give us the land he promised on oath to our ancestors. 24 The Lord commanded us to obey all these decrees and to fear the Lord our God, so that we might always prosper and be kept alive, as is the case today. 25 And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.” (right doing)

Now a question for you. Please explain Gal 3:21.

Galatians 3:21New International Version (NIV)
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.

Paul here is saying that there is no law that could produce righteousness. This is certainly a conundrum with Deut 6:25
Deut 6:25.

Deut 6:25
If you read the entire chapter of Deutoronomy chapter 6 this goes along with it and shows what 25 is saying.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
 
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First and foremost, please forgive me it was never my intent to hurt you in anyway. The truth to me it is never offensive. I get discomfort with lies.
My friend you were forgiven before you asked. I take the law of love very seriously. Yep, I fail at times and my guide, the Holy Spirit tells me about it.
in the same heaven worship the same god
On the note of the Godhead, Bob proper English grammar. when we speak of the Creator, the Almighty, we are then talking about God. When we speak about the gods of the universe, we dont capitalize it. Furthermore, it is for us to make notice and have good, solid, biblical foundation so we are not caught up, trapped, by our false teachings, guided by our emotions.
I thought you were referring to our God because you wrote: "My friend, hopefully, we read the same bible and are guided by the same spirit so we may have the same savior and be found in the same heaven worship the same god." I would have capitalized Bible, Savior, as in Jesus, Spirit, as in Holy Spirit, Heaven , as the place God dwells, and God, as the God Christians worship. I hope you understand.

So on the lashing part, Ellen is a woman's name. A rule (law) of grammar in the English language is that the first letter of a person's name must be capitalized. When we dont do so is because of ignorance to the fact or choice. You openly said you choose to. If I may continue, when we choose to disobey or do as expected or told, to go against the truth, we cant blame no one else but ourselves. I LIKE IT AND THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO DO. James 1:12-18.
I love the bible.
I personally do not capitalize the word satan. I don't care if it is a "proper" name, he doesn't deserve any honor. I personally do not generally capitalize the words ellen white because she fits in the same category as satan. he has deceived millions of people. she is in the same category as joe smith of the Mormons. I can and have proven her to be false many times, but all the SDAs I have confronted are completely blinded to proof. Just to let you know I was also blinded for years. People who knew her many errors would try to tell me and I would become so defensive that I refused to hear or read what they had gleaned. I know where you are and all I can do is pray for my brothers ans sisters who are bound in Adventism. When you are open to allow the Holy Spirit to fill you with truth please let me know and I will carry out the will of the Lord for you.

Bob on regard to my personal walk with the Lord. I have been a baptized member of the SDA church since 1999, a servant of our Lord Jesus Christ since 2004. On 03', I was blessed to be the Youth Sabbath School teacher, deacon, Pathfinder counselor, AY activity director for the local church and assisted on a conference level. And this was on a 600 member church.
Since 04' that I met the Lord, for the last 12 years, I have been blessed to assist to lead His church.
Thru me the Lord
  1. has turn a couple of small churches 10 to 60 or better in less than 6 months.
  2. has kept churches from closing
  3. has saved marriages
  4. has saved souls
  5. an much more
  6. the best, He is saved me by putting my faith in Him into action
I dont like titles or nicknames: some call me
  1. elder (ordain for over 10 years)
  2. International Evangelist (Mexico, Honduras, Dom Rep, several US states)
  3. pastor (assisted several districts)

He has blessed me with many talents, in particular:
  1. can read and understand the bible without the aid of anyone but Himself
  2. can preach a new sermon on a minute notice. 1 minute to pray and open the bible
  3. can see and hear Him
Should I, I ,I, I, i continue?
Much of your personal story fits with my life as a SDA. I too was a deacon, head for four years, an elder, Pathfinder leader, served on the board for years, taught Sabbath school and even worked for the church. All that didn't make me a grace filled Christian. No, what it did was to make me a legalistic. Legalism is a terrible thing and the church tends to breed legalism. Once I finally realized the fact of my condition I reeled from it as completely as I could. My mentor into legalism was none other than ellen white. Her statements like her letter to Willie makes me sick to my stomach. You should read all of them to get a full picture of her sick mind. An appeal to Youth His Mother's Letters. https://egwwritings.org/?ref=en_AY.40.3&para=7.9
"My Dear Willie,
We have not forgotten you, my dear boy. When we see other little children around, we long to get our little Willie in our arms again, and press his little soft cheek, and receive his kiss. In about five weeks we shall be at home again, and then, Willie, we will work in the garden, and tend the flowers and plant the seeds. You must be a good, sweet, little boy, and love to obey Jenny and Lucinda. Give up your will, and when you wish to do anything very much, inquire, Is it not selfish? You must learn to yield your will and your way. It will be a hard lesson for my little boy to learn, but it will in the end be worth more to him than gold. [By the blessing of God and his mother’s instructions, Willie has overcome the impatient spirit which he sometimes manifested when quite young, and he now possesses a most affectionate, amiable, and obedient disposition. A.P.P.] Learn, my dear Willie, to be patient, to wait others’ time and convenience; then you will not get impatient and irritable. The Lord loves those little children who try to do right, and he has promised that they shall be in his kingdom. But wicked children God does not love. He will not take them to the beautiful City, for he only admits the good, obedient, and patient children there. One fretful, disobedient child, would spoil all the harmony of heaven. When you feel tempted to speak impatient and fretful, remember the Lord sees you, and will not love you if you do wrong. When you do right and overcome wrong feelings, the Lord smiles upon you." {AY 61.2}


it is never about how long we have been reading the bible but do we know Jesus?
you should know by the fruit of the spirit.
We know Jesus and His will by studying scripture. Reading is one thing, studying is another.

Not avoiding but didnt see a need to get into a who's the best, knows Him longer.
Good

Our Lord Jesus Christ didnt call attention to Himself by boasting about His persona.
Nor did He do anything to be praised. People saw something in Him that they needed and
wanted.
God is great, God is good and we thank Him for life and the promise of eternal life with Him.

I will leave you with this Note:
When my son was around 12 years old, I wanted to get his attention and interest on the bible.
I was planning to do so by showing him how much I knew. So I asked him to read a text in the
bible and tell me what he thought about it. Surprised was I. He spoke on the matter in ways that
I had never heard before. I was amazed by my son at 12 and I was almost 40 and a leader in the church.
I pray that he has the wisdom to understand the simple plan of salvation.

God bless
And God bless you too.
 
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My friend you were forgiven before you asked. I take the law of love very seriously. Yep, I fail at times and my guide, the Holy Spirit tells me about it.
I thought you were referring to our God because you wrote: "My friend, hopefully, we read the same bible and are guided by the same spirit so we may have the same savior and be found in the same heaven worship the same god." I would have capitalized Bible, Savior, as in Jesus, Spirit, as in Holy Spirit, Heaven , as the place God dwells, and God, as the God Christians worship. I hope you understand.


I personally do not capitalize the word satan. I don't care if it is a "proper" name, he doesn't deserve any honor. I personally do not generally capitalize the words ellen white because she fits in the same category as satan. he has deceived millions of people. she is in the same category as joe smith of the Mormons. I can and have proven her to be false many times, but all the SDAs I have confronted are completely blinded to proof. Just to let you know I was also blinded for years. People who knew her many errors would try to tell me and I would become so defensive that I refused to hear or read what they had gleaned. I know where you are and all I can do is pray for my brothers ans sisters who are bound in Adventism. When you are open to allow the Holy Spirit to fill you with truth please let me know and I will carry out the will of the Lord for you.


Much of your personal story fits with my life as a SDA. I too was a deacon, head for four years, an elder, Pathfinder leader, served on the board for years, taught Sabbath school and even worked for the church. All that didn't make me a grace filled Christian. No, what it did was to make me a legalistic. Legalism is a terrible thing and the church tends to breed legalism. Once I finally realized the fact of my condition I reeled from it as completely as I could. My mentor into legalism was none other than ellen white. Her statements like her letter to Willie makes me sick to my stomach. You should read all of them to get a full picture of her sick mind. An appeal to Youth His Mother's Letters. https://egwwritings.org/?ref=en_AY.40.3&para=7.9
"My Dear Willie,
We have not forgotten you, my dear boy. When we see other little children around, we long to get our little Willie in our arms again, and press his little soft cheek, and receive his kiss. In about five weeks we shall be at home again, and then, Willie, we will work in the garden, and tend the flowers and plant the seeds. You must be a good, sweet, little boy, and love to obey Jenny and Lucinda. Give up your will, and when you wish to do anything very much, inquire, Is it not selfish? You must learn to yield your will and your way. It will be a hard lesson for my little boy to learn, but it will in the end be worth more to him than gold. [By the blessing of God and his mother’s instructions, Willie has overcome the impatient spirit which he sometimes manifested when quite young, and he now possesses a most affectionate, amiable, and obedient disposition. A.P.P.] Learn, my dear Willie, to be patient, to wait others’ time and convenience; then you will not get impatient and irritable. The Lord loves those little children who try to do right, and he has promised that they shall be in his kingdom. But wicked children God does not love. He will not take them to the beautiful City, for he only admits the good, obedient, and patient children there. One fretful, disobedient child, would spoil all the harmony of heaven. When you feel tempted to speak impatient and fretful, remember the Lord sees you, and will not love you if you do wrong. When you do right and overcome wrong feelings, the Lord smiles upon you." {AY 61.2}


We know Jesus and His will by studying scripture. Reading is one thing, studying is another.


Good


God is great, God is good and we thank Him for life and the promise of eternal life with Him.


I pray that he has the wisdom to understand the simple plan of salvation.


And God bless you too.

Since this is somewhat personal, I will go with it.
I am a Hispanic male raised in the US. Even thou I am bi-lingual, I dont worship in a English speaking church. By God grace and mercy, I have been asked to assist to lead in English churches. Why I made that comment? It has been my experience within the English speaking churches that some of our members tend to be more into Ms. White's teaching than Jesus's teachings. Therefore, why the world has labeled the SDA church a sect. Her teachings is to be used as an aid at times and not all the times. When we stop glorifying her teachings so much and more of Jesus's, we will be the church that she wants us to be.
I personally, admire her and her work, but I am not guided by her or her work. Many times, I can tell you how surprise I am when I do read her work. How amazed I am to find myself looking at things the same way she did. And my thinking came through prayers and studying the bible. It let me to accept her writings but not use her writings. I can also tell you that at time, when I read her work, it helps me understand better the Bible.

We need to get to know Jesus and Jesus only.

Blessings
 
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Since this is somewhat personal, I will go with it.
I am a Hispanic male raised in the US. Even thou I am bi-lingual, I dont worship in a English speaking church. By God grace and mercy, I have been asked to assist to lead in English churches. Why I made that comment? It has been my experience within the English speaking churches that some of our members tend to be more into Ms. White's teaching than Jesus's teachings. Therefore, why the world has labeled the SDA church a sect. Her teachings is to be used as an aid at times and not all the times. When we stop glorifying her teachings so much and more of Jesus's, we will be the church that she wants us to be.
I personally, admire her and her work, but I am not guided by her or her work. Many times, I can tell you how surprise I am when I do read her work. How amazed I am to find myself looking at things the same way she did. And my thinking came through prayers and studying the bible. It let me to accept her writings but not use her writings. I can also tell you that at time, when I read her work, it helps me understand better the Bible.

We need to get to know Jesus and Jesus only.

Blessings
We need to get to know Jesus and Jesus only.
That's the only part I agree with.

James chapter 3 verse 1,2
3 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. 2 We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they sayis perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.
(and we know no human but Christ is perfect.)
1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they decieve themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
(so that means we're all guilty of homosexuality even if we've never done it.)
 
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Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Rom 3:19,20
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet. Rom 7:7

No need to read anything else when the bible is so clear. Plus, being blessed with the presences of the Holy Spirit, one can read it and fully understand God's word. It is amazing how then Ellen White's writings make sense, Echo the bible.
I remember when I was just read and understood on my own will the bible seldom made sense. After I met the Lord, Like Paul, every things started to make sense including Ms. White's writings.

My friend, hopefully, we read the same bible and are guided by the same spirit so we may have the same savior and be found in the same heaven worship the same god.
Your requiring us to believe as you is all the proof needed that others (primarily the pro grace people)or you aren't being led by the same Holy Spirit.

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