Sodom and Gomorrah

[James of Arc]

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[MehGuy]

I think it means I like strong and powerful women who know what they want. I don't want a little girl, I want a wild woman.

Yeah, less of a damsel type woman.

Honestly a lot of evolutionary psych is extremely speculative.

I do wonder why there seems to be a great deal of men who like being dominated by women, yet the reverse often isn't true for women seeking submissive men.

 

[James of Arc]

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[MehGuy]

I do not want to be dominated but I want strength with me. I like strong women, not because they can rule over me but because they complement me.

I didn't say you want to be dominated, lol. Just a side muse.

 

[James of Arc]

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[Goodbook]

lol you guys are making no sense.

What I don't get is, I know what Sodom was famed for, but nobody really talks about Gommorah. Maybe it was its lesbian counterpart, or it could have been gonnorea.

Sadly, there are some parts of town that are complete no-go areas now. One day I was driving thru Auckland and one suburb I thought wasn't known for that sort of thing just had a huge billboard advertising condoms - for gay men. I was like, ugh, it was just in your face. Usually the brothels etc keep to one street.

In my suburb, one of them tried to open up opposite my old intermediate school. Thankfully it got shut down, but can you imagine, girls walking past and being leered at by pimps.

 

[muichimotsu]

I have 2 "gripes" here: first is that Sodom and Gomorrah was easily a few generations before the post Exodus golden calf thing, but that's more nitpicky than anything. You could just as easily use one of the other "evil
cities in the Bible's narrative, like Babylon or Rome.

Second is that, while there are people that put significant amount of value into their interactions with particular music groups (my friend's former roommate seems really into Pentatonix, like she wants to be their besty or something, it's a little disconcerting, considering she has a mood disorder, I believe), I feel like it's hyperbole to say that culture at large has this idolizing tendnecy to music. Idolizing towards something or other, perhaps, but as much money as music makes, there are other industries that compete with it and do okay, I'd say.

 

[Goodbook]

I think with music its more prevalent to idolize the singers/bands because of the 'image' they project, combined with hypnotic effects of music. Remember in Daniel was it nebuchadnezzar said everyone had to bow down and worship this golden idol (which to my mind, looks just like an oscar) while the music played.
Its just very easy to do esp when music draws large punters/crowds. When you go to a concert its like a group mentality to worship whoevers on stage.

 

[James of Arc]

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[Goodbook]

I remember there being a huge outcry in on nz town when a church put up a billboard that said Jesus heals cancer. I cant remember what town it was. The atheists got mad and wanted it taken down.

In Nelson one guy painted Jesus Saves on the side of his warehouse. You can see it from far away.

Our red light district in auckland CBD is the famed Krd. One time they had a giant billboard that just said sex- with an arrow pointing toward k rd, and city - pointing toward queen st.
The other red light district is called Hunters Corner in manuwera. That is literally its name.

I dont know if small towns have those sorts of areas as never really lived in a small town but my city auckland, is riddled with prostitution. Because its a port and merchant city. But its not as bad as one up north called Russell that got named the Hellhole of the pacific in the 19th century.

 

[CCHIPSS]

Instead of a golden calf we have guitar gods whos religion is sex, drugs and rock and roll and every high school kid wants to be one. Even Johnny Manziel wants to be a rock star or a rap star and he parties like one every night. Fifty it was more popular to be a NFL quarterback but he wants to be a party god instead.

Our culture worships the guitar and its industry. I love Britney but look at her riding that giant guitar like its a bull, one golden image for another.

Boys and girls, I pray we stay to our path and we do not run astray. I pray for all of us here as I know we cant be far from the end.

In most cases (like 99.9999%) God doesn't even need to do anything. Sinners will destroy themselves.

An example I like to use is Pride of the Titanic. They said even God himself cannot sink the ship. What pride and arrogance! So God should go sink the Titanic with a fire and brimstone right?

Nope no need.

The pride of men will cause the Titanic to not carry enough lifeboats and speed through iceberg fields. They did not even carry any emergency fireworks to ask for help. The pride of men will sink the ship, one of the worst disasters in history, without God having to do any wrath.

In other cases it is actually a miracle that some men sin so much, and yet nothing happens to that person for such a long time. God's grace and mercy is truly great.

 

[CCHIPSS]

Yeah, less of a damsel type woman.

Honestly a lot of evolutionary psych is extremely speculative.

I do wonder why there seems to be a great deal of men who like being dominated by women, yet the reverse often isn't true for women seeking submissive men.

God designed women to be submissive to men, as long as it isn't abusive. By this I do not mean a woman cannot speak her mind. But she is designed to look up to her husband. A woman might chose to rebel and instead try to overpower the man. But I have yet to see a happy marriage where the woman overpowers the man.

If the man is strong, he will fight back against the woman and they just fight day and night. If the man is weak and chose to submit, the woman look down on her man day and night. However she just feel disappointment and resentment. Women like these are never truly happy because women are not designed this way.

 

[Truthfrees]

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[Cearbhall]

I wouldn't know, I could care less about pop music. If no rapes were reported however, I don't think we could rightly compare it to Sodom and Gomorrah.

Yeah, I don't see a reason to complain about something like the Billboard Awards when the non-consensual aspects of this particular Bible story are taking place all the time.

 

[Goodbook]

check. God designed men to love and cherish women as long as they aren't abusive. By this I do not mean they have to be prince charming. But a husband is meant to protect and look after his wife. A man might choose to rebel and hit his wife. But I have yet to see a happy marriage where a man beats his wife.

lol. Also, if a man does what he's supposed to and love and cherishes his wife, she grows more beautiful each day they are together. Women who aren't loved and cherished are unhappy and disappointed and men who don't love and cherish their wives are shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[muichimotsu]

I think with music its more prevalent to idolize the singers/bands because of the 'image' they project, combined with hypnotic effects of music. Remember in Daniel was it nebuchadnezzar said everyone had to bow down and worship this golden idol (which to my mind, looks just like an oscar) while the music played.
Its just very easy to do esp when music draws large punters/crowds. When you go to a concert its like a group mentality to worship whoevers on stage.

And why is it I find it ironic that churches seem to work on a similar principle, even if it's more a cult of personality to the preacher who stands on a pulpit above the lesser masses who they speak the good news to and such?

 

[muichimotsu]

God designed women to be submissive to men, as long as it isn't abusive. By this I do not mean a woman cannot speak her mind. But she is designed to look up to her husband. A woman might chose to rebel and instead try to overpower the man. But I have yet to see a happy marriage where the woman overpowers the man.

If the man is strong, he will fight back against the woman and they just fight day and night. If the man is weak and chose to submit, the woman look down on her man day and night. However she just feel disappointment and resentment. Women like these are never truly happy because women are not designed this way.

Submission in itself is not abusive, yet encouraging submission when it isn't necessary could be easily construed and argued to be abusive anyway. Not all women are submissive by nature, nor should they be.

My mother is the breadwinner and arguably an equal to my father in the household I was raised in. He provided for us when she was the stay at home mother, of course, but that doesn't mean she was content to just stay and home and waste away and not use her "God given" potential to better the world. To say my mother is going against God's plan is insulting, especially when my family, myself excluded obviously, is quite faithful Christians, though I can see people easily tearing them down because of various reason (they don't go to church, for example, they just seem to pay lip service)

How about a relationship where the two people involved are basically equals even if they have different capacities? AS in, the woman is not submissive to man entirely, because, arguably, the man can submit to women's judgment in spite of the persistent myth that women shouldn't educate men in any way, which is patently false, considering most of the best teachers I've had in my life are women, as well as some of the smartest people I know

And what would you know about a woman's happiness as a man? Also, this dichotomy you create is nonsensical: a relationship is not founded on dominance, it's founded on mutual respect. My parents can argue, but they nonetheless respect each other and acknowledge their faults and their skills, they complement each other in that sense. My mother doesn't overpower my father and my father doesn't overpower my mother, they are a pair, they are an equal union. No relationship worth having is based on one submitting to the other in a sense that isn't mutual and informed by basic logic of human dynamics, which don't involve a pure one sided relationship of power.

Seems to me you have a skewed notion of what a woman should do in a relationship, rather than having some humility and possibly acknowledging that woman can also teach you things.

 

[blackribbon]

There are radicals at every entertainment event but most the time, the audiences are having a good time but don't really "worship" the bands...they enjoy the show...same as a sporting event or a Broadway musical. I think it is a misrepresentation to constantly assume that every thing is "evil" and that helps paint Christians as freaks. Most people can attend a concert and not have a single sexual experience...gay or otherwise. Alcohol or mind-altering drugs are a bigger contributor to behavior like that. And awards are just awards...most people do not worship their awards even if they value them. They get put on the shelf and dusted like everything else. I doubt that most Oscar winners even look at their awards on a monthly basis after the first couple weeks of getting one. However, that doesn't mean they don't value them...they just don't worship them. We have to watch our language. If we exaggerate peoples activities too much, then it takes away the power of the words when we really need them to make a point.

 

[Cearbhall]

Submission in itself is not abusive, yet encouraging submission when it isn't necessary could be easily construed and argued to be abusive anyway. Not all women are submissive by nature, nor should they be.

Right. I've never heard of a scientific basis for my supposed naturally submissive nature, nor have I felt it, so I'm inclined to believe it doesn't exist.

 

[blackribbon]

There is a difference between a wife being submissive to her husband and having a submissive personality (which indicates that she might submit to everyone including people she shouldn't submit to)