POLL: Did the ancient Hebrews believe that the earth was flat?

[yeshuasavedme]

Seems you don't have a problem with the canopy of water

See above.
There was no canopy of waters above the earth, ever, in Scripture. That is a fable of tradition.
From the beginning, half the waters of the created globe of waters was raised above the heavens as they were stretched out in three -at least- stories. That water is still there, but perhaps some of it that was poured down on earth below to meet with the waters did remain below which burst from the deep -which waters are electromagnetically charged as opposite polar powers to the waters below the heavens [see the Book of Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, which is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church].

God called one land mass into being, out of the waters, and the body of waters gathered together He named "Seas", and the currents of each determines the boundaries of each. Though they are one gathering, they are grouped as "seas" -like the seas today meet together at their boundaries. The land mass was great, an they are named as "four continents, and North and South America are one land mass, though they are named two continents. Australia was connected to the the Asian continent, also...


The one land mass was not divided until after the Tower of Babel was destroyed and man was divided by the 70 tongues of the 70 tribes; and man's years of his life were cut off from what they had been, and the land mass was divided.
The tongues spread out, over time, into over 6,000,;and the land mass began dividing and was divided into what is called the 7 continents; over time; and man's years began to be cut short til, over time, they were given as 70 or 80 with strength -or more if even more strength.
The one land mass did not divide immediately, but began dividing,...

Yoktan means to cut off/shorten, and Peleg means to divide, and both sons of Eber were named those names, prophetically, because of the happenings at the Tower of Bab-El.

In the history book of the Patriarchs, called "The [real] Book of Jasher", Yoktan and Peleg's names are explained as above, but in the Torah, Yoktan's name explanation is not mentioned, though Peleg's is, but Yoktan means "to cut off/to shorten".

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Light was caused by God giving power to the Stars or what would be termed today as Fusion.

There were not stars until God called light into being, on day 1, after the first evening, and the light was dawn, and it was divided from the evening and circled the globe of waters in the Firmament of His powers.

The Firmament of His powers were not stretched out until day 2 of creation week, and were stretched out between the cut in two/divided waters of creation. Half the waters of creation were elevated above the stretched out heavens.
They are still there.

Psa 148:4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.

The light is stretched out with the heavens, from this very earth -when earth was not yet formed, but was in the waters, elementally, and not called to be, yet, the "Dry".
Stars are angels, and they serve God.
They are also called "sons of God".

 

[StanJ]

I do not read anywhere in the Word that it was covered in water, but that it was waters. Every elemental building "block" so to speak, is found in the waters. It was the waters that God created with the elements for all that was to be formed out of the waters within them. Earth was not called earth until day 3, when the waters below were commanded to be gathered together in one place, and "the dry" to appear -not mud, either, but "the Dry", which God then named earth.
Earth was brought out of the waters as dry land, complete with mountains. The waters were then called "Seas" so the seas themselves are then named.

Are we on a different Earth than God created? Was the earth in Genesis 1 different than the year that existed at the time of Moses?
The only elements that are contained in water molecules are two hydrogen atoms bonded to one oxygen atom. I learn this in elementary school because after all it is pretty Elementary . Those are not the building blocks of life. As we are created they are necessary to maintain life but they aren't the building blocks. I suggest you take a look at a periodic tables of elements to see that there are over a hundred elements the go into creation, and God created them all on day one. Now pay attention, Earth was day 1, land was day 3. Earth consists of water and dirt which God separated into seas and land. The Bible doesn't say the 'dry' the Bible says 'dry ground', which God called 'land'. I'm not sure what translation you're using but I would suggest you lose it and find a Modern English one. Obviously it's keeping you from seeing what the bible really says. You also can't have 'surface of the deep' if there's nothing at the bottom of the water.

The half of the waters of creation are carried above the stretched out heavens on day 2 of creation week. Those waters were not a "canopy" for earth, which is what tradition has made a fable about, but are still above the stretched out heavens, as the Psalmist states for us...
In Genesis 1, nothing was formed when the waters were made, until out of the waters each named thing was called to be, and then named.
So there was no earth until day 3. Not as the Scripture tells it, but earth was called into its elemental form on day 3, out of the waters.
It is not existing in it's form until God calls it to be, and then names it.

And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.”

 

[StanJ]

There was no canopy of waters above the earth, ever, in Scripture. That is a fable of tradition.

And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

From the beginning, half the waters of the created globe of waters was raised above the heavens as they were stretched out in three -at least- stories. That water is still there, but perhaps some of it that was poured down on earth below to meet with the waters did remain below which burst from the deep -which waters are electromagnetically charged as opposite polar powers to the waters below the heavens [see the Book of Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, which is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church].

And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

God called one land mass into being, out of the waters, and the body of waters gathered together He named "Seas", and the currents of each determines the boundaries of each. Though they are one gathering, they are grouped as "seas" -like the seas today meet together at their boundaries. The land mass was great, an they are named as "four continents, and North and South America are one land mass, though they are named two continents. Australia was connected to the the Asian continent.

And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
The plural of land, is land, and the plural of sea is seas.

The one land mass was not divided until after the Tower of Babel was destroyed and man was divided by the 70 tongues of the 70 tribes; and man's years of his life were cut off from what they had been, and the land mass was divided.
The tongues spread out, over time, into over 6,000,;and the land mass began dividing and was divided into what is called the 7 continents; over time; and man's years began to be cut short til, over time, they were given as 70 or 80 with strength -or more if even more strength.
The one land mass did not divide immediately, but began dividing,...

Sounds like you've read way too many old wives tales? The Tower of Babel had nothing to do with the land configuration as that is what God did on day three.

In the history book of the Patriarchs, called "The [real] Book of Jasher", Yoktan and Peleg's names are explained as above, but in the Torah, Yoktan's name explanation is not mentioned, though Peleg's is, but Yoktan means "to cut off/to shorten".

In the real Bible, this has nothing to do with the creation of the Earth.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

All suns in the entire universe were made on day 1 and given their power. The Earth has always circled the sun just as the Moon has always circle the Earth and the fact that there were solar eclipses dating back as far as we have records shows that that was the case. What God did on day four was allow the light from the sun, moon and stars to shine throught the water canopy he created on day 2.

In the Word of God there is no such a thing as a water canopy and no such a thing as suns. Stars are not suns, but both the Sun and Moon are called Lights.

The moon gets it's light from the sun, and the sun governs the light but was not made until day four.

Stars are are powers, called angels; they "shine", and they are called "sons of God". They are each one named by the Creator and they answer to Him. They bring in the seasons, and in them, there is God's storehouses of hailstones Reserved for battle".....and other things.
Jos 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.

Judges 5:
19 The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.
20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.

Job 38:22

“Have you entered the treasury of snow,
Or have you seen the treasury of hail,
Job 38:23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
For the day of battle and war?


The created sun is created as a "Menorrah", says the Word of God, in Genesis 1, receives the powers of the light created on day 1, and which revolves in the heavens stretched and refracts them out to the entire creation as the Menorrah of the heavens. The Menorrah/the Sun, governs that light of creation by day, following the dawn as it circles the earth. The sun was not made until day 4, nor was the moon made until day 4, and the sun circles the earth in its own ordained peculiar path, in the circle of the earth, which circle is the stretched out heavens.


In Genesis 1, the waters of creation [the globe of waters], are divided in two, and the firmament of His powers are stretched out between the two waters. God named the stretched out firmament of His powers "Two Waters -Hebrew "Sha-Mayim".
The waters above the heavens are the half of the waters of the creation in Genesis 1. There are at least 3 stories of the heavens stretched out from the earth, for in Corinthians we read that Paradise is in the third heaven. The half of the waters that were created on day 1 are above even Paradise.
Psa 148:4

Praise Him, you heavens of heavens,
And you waters above the heavens!

Remember, God stretched out the heavens on day 2, between the waters. Half the waters are yet above the stretched out heavens.

Amo 9:6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.

2Co 12:2, 4 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;... such an one caught up to the third heaven, how that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

 

[StanJ]

In the Word of God there is no such a thing as a water canopy and no such a thing as suns. Stars are not suns, but both the Sun and Moon are called Lights.

The moon gets it's light from the sun, and the sun governs the light but was not made until day four.

Stars are are powers, called angels; they "shine", and they are called "sons of God". They are each one named by the Creator and they answer to Him. They bring in the seasons, and in them, there is God's storehouses of hailstones Reserved for battle".....and other things.
Jos 10:11 And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.

Judges 5:
19 The kings came and fought, then fought the kings of Canaan in Taanach by the waters of Megiddo; they took no gain of money.
20 They fought from heaven; the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.

Job 38:22

“Have you entered the treasury of snow,
Or have you seen the treasury of hail,
Job 38:23 Which I have reserved for the time of trouble,
For the day of battle and war?


The created sun is created as a "Menorrah", says the Word of God, in Genesis 1, receives the powers of the light created on day 1, and which revolves in the heavens stretched and refracts them out to the entire creation as the Menorrah of the heavens. The Menorrah/the Sun, governs that light of creation by day, following the dawn as it circles the earth. The sun was not made until day 4, nor was the moon made until day 4, and the sun circles the earth in its own ordained peculiar path, in the circle of the earth, which circle is the stretched out heavens.


In Genesis 1, the waters of creation [the globe of waters], are divided in two, and the firmament of His powers are stretched out between the two waters. God named the stretched out firmament of His powers "Two Waters -Hebrew "Sha-Mayim".
The waters above the heavens are the half of the waters of the creation in Genesis 1. There are at least 3 stories of the heavens stretched out from the earth, for in Corinthians we read that Paradise is in the third heaven. The half of the waters that were created on day 1 are above even Paradise.
Psa 148:4

Praise Him, you heavens of heavens,
And you waters above the heavens!

Remember, God stretched out the heavens on day 2, between the waters. Half the waters are yet above the stretched out heavens.

Amo 9:6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.

2Co 12:2, 4 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;... such an one caught up to the third heaven, how that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

As it is impossible for anyone to lead a horse to water and make it drink, I won't bother re-addressing all these issues. I suggest you read your Bible or at least the Modern English version.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Are we on a different Earth than God created? Was the earth in Genesis 1 different than the year that existed at the time of Moses?
The only elements that are contained in water molecules are two hydrogen atoms bonded to one oxygen atom. I learn this in elementary school because after all it is pretty Elementary .

Every naturally-occurring element has been found in seawater.
I learned that from a creation science paper.

2 Peter 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

Earth is formed on day 3. Earth was not formed out of the water and by water until day 3 of creation week.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The fable of a water canopy over earth is made up by men, and in that fable, there is a doctrine that the earth was without four seasons before the flood, but that is not so, for the Bible teaches us that God made four seasons in the beginning, brought in by the stars peculiar paths in the circling heavens. After the flood, God promised that as long as earth exists there will [continue to] be four seasons, [and at least a million years/ a thousand generations of a thousand year "day" for each generation in the New Creation], it will exist, by the promises of God; but elementally regenerated in the eighth millennial Day of creation. The old passes away and the New garments are metamorphosed out of the old elements of creation in a moment of time, just as our bodies shall be changed [like a garment], elementally, in the twinkling of an eye at the rapture and/or resurrection of them.

Genesis 8:21,22 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

...

The proper translation of Psalm 19:4, is; In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun.

Dear Stan, welcome to the forum by the way.
I looked at your profile, and on salvation we agree, and the pre-trib, and on the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. We are in the same age group, but I think I have a few years on you. I am 70 this year. I accept you as a brother in the LORD, so I don't want to argue for arguments sake, but I will point out the myths of tradition that are not found in the Bible that you are accepting, but which are just not what the word of God teaches us, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.
You don't have to agree with me, and these things do not save us or cause us to not be saved by our understanding of them -as long as we do not outright call God a liar on what He has said about what He did; I do think that is territory that is dangerous ground for we mere Adam creation persons to stand on, but I do have Scripture to back up what I believe, and I present why I believe it. I present how I understand what God says, and I do not accept traditional myths that do not agree with Genesis 1-3.

I posted a thread on this forum a few years ago on the created temple in the created heavens, which is set in the created sun. It is what the original Hebrew, and the Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate, and the Douay Rheims translations state.
So, not to rewrite it, though I do have more understanding now than even then on some points, I will link it. You do not have to agree with me, and obviously there are many who would not, cause it is hard to break with tradition, as we see it is so, even in the Word, even though the Word does not teach what tradition does; but this is how I see the Word of God, and why.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-god-which-is-in-the-created-heavens.7259341/

 

[StanJ]

Every naturally-occurring element has been found in seawater.
I learned that from a creation science paper.
2 Peter 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.
Earth is formed on day 3. Earth was not formed out of the water and by water until day 3 of creation week.

WRONG....again.

And as water acts as a solvent, this is what seawater is today. However on day 1 of creation it was simply H2O with no elements.

 

[StanJ]

The fable of a water canopy over earth is made up by men, and in that fable, there is a doctrine that the earth was without four seasons before the flood, but that is not so, for the Bible teaches us that God made four seasons in the beginning, brought in by the stars peculiar paths in the circling heavens. After the flood, God promised that as long as earth exists there will [continue to] be four seasons, [and at least a million years/ a thousand generations of a thousand year "day" for each generation in the New Creation], it will exist, by the promises of God; but elementally regenerated in the eighth millennial Day of creation. The old passes away and the New garments are metamorphosed out of the old elements of creation in a moment of time, just as our bodies shall be changed [like a garment], elementally, in the twinkling of an eye at the rapture and/or resurrection of them.
Genesis 8:21,22 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.

Well if you think Genesis 1 is a fable then we really don't have anything to discuss.

 

[Hoghead1]

Well if you think Genesis 1 is a fable then we really don't have anything to discuss.

If you can talk only to people who agree with you, then a discussion group is the worst possible place for you to be.

 

[StanJ]

Dear Stan, welcome to the forum by the way.
I looked at your profile, and on salvation we agree, and the pre-trib, and on the Baptism in the Holy Spirit. We are in the same age group, but I think I have a few years on you. I am 70 this year. I accept you as a brother in the LORD, so I don't want to argue for arguments sake, but I will point out the myths of tradition that are not found in the Bible that you are accepting, but which are just not what the word of God teaches us, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.
You don't have to agree with me, and these things do not save us or cause us to not be saved by our understanding of them -as long as we do not outright call God a liar on what He has said about what He did; I do think that is territory that is dangerous ground for we mere Adam creation persons to stand on, but I do have Scripture to back up what I believe, and I present why I believe it. I present how I understand what God says, and I do not accept traditional myths that do not agree with Genesis 1-3.

I posted a thread on this forum a few years ago on the created temple in the created heavens, which is set in the created sun. It is what the original Hebrew, and the Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate, and the Douay Rheims translations state.
So, not to rewrite it, though I do have more understanding now than even then on some points, I will link it. You do not have to agree with me, and obviously there are many who would not, cause it is hard to break with tradition, as we see it is so, even in the Word, even though the Word does not teach what tradition does; but this is how I see the Word of God, and why.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...-god-which-is-in-the-created-heavens.7259341/

I'm glad to hear we agree on the basics but in this regard we do not agree at all. As a matter of fact I find some of your posts to be equally as ridiculous as flat earthers are in Christianity and believe you me there are a few of them. Now as far as having scripture to prove your point I would be more than happy for you to show me those but so far you haven't done that and the fact that you referred to ancient English translations doesn't bode well for us agreeing on the Bible at all. I will go along with the LXX but there are many English translations that have used the LXX, so I see no reason to try to re-translate something that already has been PROPERLY translated into Modern English. I've been reading and studying the Bible for over 45 years and I rarely find somebody who knows the Bible better than I do unless of course they are a credentialed scholar, but even then I am dubious about some.

 

[StanJ]

2 Peter 3:5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

The following link will give you the proper understanding of the Greek and rendering into English.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+peter+3:5&version=MOUNCE

What Peter is saying here is that God formed the land by bringing it out of the water and the seas by gathering the waters together in certain areas, exactly as Gen 1:9-10 shows us. It was already created as v1 shows us (haaretz) and he just put it into the frame of reference we see today, as shown in v9-10. (yabashah and mikveh)

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And as water acts as a solvent, this is what seawater is today. However on day 1 of creation it was simply H2O with no elements.

Sorry, Stan, but all the known natural elements are found in sea water.
I read that in a creation paper long ago, and would have to search for it but it is still a fact found by search that "ALL" natural known elements occur in sea water, as part of the sea water.
From the beginning, the globe of waters contained all the elements God used to form every created thing. That is how the Hebrew states it and the Greek, in 2 Peter also corroborates it.

http://core.ecu.edu/geology/woods/SEAWATERchemistry.htm

Also, it might interest you to know that God turns sea water to streams of fire in Sheol below [as Enoch the prophet the seventh from Adam wrote that God did do with waters below earth], but man can do it above, too. Sea water can be used as fuel and burn..

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Well if you think Genesis 1 is a fable then we really don't have anything to discuss.

And please do not claim that I said Genesis 1 is a fable. That is bearing false witness, for I never said that anytime, anywhere.
Fables are made up about creation by many born again in Christ believers, in error, which fables are in direct contradiction to what Genesis 1 -3 state -and many fall under other deceptions that are just not what is in the Word of God but which are taught as in the Word, but are just made up fables that have become tradition which with no foundation in the Word.

I use the Scripture to show that God did not name anything formed until He formed it; first, out of the powers of the Firmament; [light], and the heavens/two waters/sha-mayim; and out of the waters of creation He formed the the dry and filled the earth with all vegetation on day 3.

In the beginning the created elements in the waters were all confounded/mixed up in the waters of creation, over which face of the waters the Holy Spirit brooded, giving life to the elements for the forming of them into every created thing -even the dry land is formed of elements existing naturally in the waters of creation, out of which waters the "dry" -not mud, was called to be, and all formed perfectly and ready for the calling forth out of it the vegetation on day 3 of creation, right after it was formed of the natural elements occurring in sea water.

 

[StanJ]

Sorry, Stan, but all the known natural elements are found in sea water.
I read that in a creation paper long ago, and would have to search for it but it is still a fact found by search that "ALL" natural known elements occur in sea water, as part of the sea water.
From the beginning, the globe of waters contained all the elements God used to form every created thing. That is how the Hebrew states it and the Greek, in 2 Peter also corroborates it.

http://core.ecu.edu/geology/woods/SEAWATERchemistry.htm

Also, it might interest you to know that God turns sea water to streams of fire in Sheol below [as Enoch the prophet the seventh from Adam wrote that God did do with waters below earth], but man can do it above, too. Sea water can be used as fuel and burn..

You've now said this at least three times and have not addressed any of my responses so I can't be bothered repeating myself time and time again. It's no discussion if all you're going to do is go around in circles.
God did not create seawater he created water that he formed into Seas. Even today the Sea of Galilee remains salt free just as it was when God created the world.

 

[StanJ]

And please do not claim that I said Genesis 1 is a fable. That is bearing false witness, for I never said that anytime, anywhere.
Fables are made up about creation by many born again in Christ believers, in error, which fables are in direct contradiction to what Genesis 1 -3 state -and many fall under other deceptions that are just not what is in the Word of God but which are taught as in the Word, but are just made up fables that have become tradition which with no foundation in the Word.

I didn't claim, I said it because you stated in your post that the water canopy is a fable and yet Genesis 1 shows the water canopy as being real.
If you don't believe that then show us how it doesn't say it's a canopy, and not just deny it. I completely understand what fables are as I've been reading a lot of yours. It's well known that the early Hebrews had all kinds of fables and Fantasies because I couldn't rightly understand what Genesis was telling them given their lack of any kind of scientific knowledge. We know better today and unless you think that we live in a different physical world the God created in Genesis 1 then there's no reason for you to foist these fables on others.

I use the Scripture to show that God did not name anything formed until He formed it; first, out of the powers of the Firmament; [light], and the heavens/two waters/sha-mayim; and out of the waters of creation He formed the the dry and filled the earth with all vegetation on day 3.

In the beginning the created elements in the waters were all confounded/mixed up in the waters of creation, over which face of the waters the Holy Spirit brooded, giving life to the elements for the forming of them into every created thing -even the dry land is formed of elements existing naturally in the waters of creation, out of which waters the "dry" -not mud, was called to be, and all formed perfectly and ready for the calling forth out of it the vegetation on day 3 of creation, right after it was formed of the natural elements occurring in sea water.

In verses 9 + 10, God is not forming anything, he is simply rearranging what he has already created, into land and seas that He names. He had already created the water and the soil in Genesis 1:1

You are reading Waters of Creation into the word and that's not what it says. It says simply water and Earth which was the big ball in the universe we call Earth. You are eisegeting.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

You've now said this at least three times and have not addressed any of my responses so I can't be bothered repeating myself time and time again. It's no discussion if all you're going to do is go around in circles.
God did not create seawater he created water that he formed into Seas. Even today the Sea of Galilee remains salt free just as it was when God created the world.

Goodness!
You don't address what I post or link to corroborate, and yet you claim the waters were not sea waters....
The seas were many, with rivers/currents in them. there are fresh water rivers that run in the oceans.
There were rivers from the beginning of creation that still come out of heaven [Atmospheric rivers can carry more water than the Amazon], and yes, they are fresh water rivers and they also make seas with inlets and outlets and form the heads of rivers below, like the atmospheric river out of Eden, in the third heaven, that watered Paradise and then became the four heads of the four rivers named in Genesis, on earth below.
The global waters were created filled with all the elements of creation that God would form out of them.
Land, vegetation, fowl to fly in the heavens, all sea creatures, all beasts and creeping things on the earth below, and Adam.

Everything is formed out of the elements of the waters of creation. Every element known to man still is found in sea water/salt water -but not in fresh water.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

No, there was no water canopy in Genesis but the half of the waters of creation were raised above the stretched out heavens, and they are still there.
It is not a "canopy" of waters that was, and there were four seasons from the beginning of creation, so no such a thing as a canopy above the atmosphere theory is taught in the Word; That theory is proved wrong by a simple belief of the first chapter of Genesis...Waters above the stretched out heavens are still there, as I linked the Scripture for.