Why The Trinity is a False Teaching - Summarized Doctrinal Reasons

[nothead]

Well, there are all sorts of things you could mean. I'm not a mind reader, I don't know exactly what you mean. You could mean the Spirit is a power or energy emanating from the Father and Son; you could mean the Spirit is a separate being who represents the Father and Son.

I take an "African" view of spirit, sir.

AFRICANS know more about spirits than most rationalists. This is WHY pentecostal evangelism does so well there.

The shekinah glory of God was contained in these OT verses:

The Talmud also says that "the Shekinah rests on man neither through gloom, nor through sloth, nor through frivolity, nor through levity, nor through talk, nor through idle chatter, but only through a matter of joy in connection with a precept, as it is said, But now bring me a minstrel. And it came to pass, when the minstrel played, that the hand of the Lord came upon him". [2Kings 3:15] [Shabbat 30b][citation needed]

The Shekinah is associated with the transformational spirit of God regarded as the source of prophecy:

After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines; and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a band of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a timbrel, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they will be prophesying. And the spirit of the LORD will come mightily upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.

— 1 Samuel 10:5–6
The prophets made numerous references to visions of the presence of God, particularly in the context of the Tabernacle or Temple, with figures such as thrones or robes filling the Sanctuary, which have traditionally been attributed to the presence of the Shekinah. Isaiah wrote "I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne high and lifted up, and his train filled the Temple." (Isaiah 6:1). Jeremiah implored "Do not dishonor the throne of your glory" (Jeremiah 14:21) and referred to "Thy throne of glory, on high from the beginning, Thy place of our sanctuary" (Jeremiah 17:12). The Book of Ezekiel speaks of "the glory of the God of Israel was there [in the Sanctuary], according to the vision that I saw in the plain." (Ezekiel 8:4)[not in citation given]

Shekinah, wiki.

 

[Hoghead1]

Name one author of NT and how he was a trinitarian on wheels.

I can't even think of one walking and talking. Not a SINGLE one, including Matthew 28:19.

What on earth is a Trinitarian on wheels? The auto9r of John is one. Paul another.

 

[Hoghead1]

You think Jewish thinkers, scribes, rabbis or acolytes gave a single ever CREEDENCE to ACTORS, sir?

YAYUH in hollywood there are a bunch of Jewish rich dudes in the business. THEN no.

What does this have to do with anything? Everyone knows the Trinity is a Christian doctrine, not a Jewish one.

 

[Hoghead1]

Um JEWS wrote the Bible sir? Just guessin'. My guesses trump your premises, I guess.

The Jews did not write the NT. Yes, the writers may have been of Jewish origin, but they were converts to Christianity, as in the case of Paul.

 

[nothead]

The Jews did not write the NT. Yes, the writers may have been of Jewish origin, but they were converts to Christianity, as in the case of Paul.

Paul, you mean the former Pharisee of Pharisees? Yayuh, baby but did he RELINQUISH his Jewishness or not sir?

 

[Hoghead1]

But it was a consideration of Greek World view and NOT Semitic in definition, sir.

Logic turning into "Jesus" is eminently more probable, than for instance what God SAID turning into "Jesus."

But v. 14 of the Prologue is EXACTLY what God said to CREATE Jesus. He spoke forth "Jesus" and Jesus became (born).
The Word became flesh. EXACTLY what that verse meant. REASON becoming Jesus is hokey and adrift in thought for how could THIS occur? We all know Jesus was REASONABLE, or do we sir? But how does Reason Personified become JESUS personified, do you have any idears, dear?

And is Reason PERSONIFIED a real deal to begin with? Reason is NEUTER in the minds of rationalists, not OF PERSON sir. Only if it ORIGINATES in God or somesuch idea in the beans of the bunions, I mean minions.

The Word preexisted long before becoming flesh. That alone shoots down your whole argument here.

 

[Hoghead1]

Paul, you mean the former Pharisee of Pharisees? Yayuh, baby but did he RELINQUISH his Jewishness or not sir?

Yes, he did relinquish his Jewishness.

 

[nothead]

The Word preexisted long before becoming flesh. That alone shoots down your whole argument here.

Em God said something way back when. And something ELSE way back whener. Even before the Foundation of the World. How does your consideration mean anything to shoot anything? Have you ever shot anything, sir?

 

[nothead]

Yes, he did relinquish his Jewishness.

Show where, sir.

 

[Hoghead1]

Show where, sir.

Oh, c'mon. Read his epistles. They make it plain enough. Look at what he says about his conversion.

 

[Butch5]

He didn't create all "things". If you read carefully at one of my studies, you will see for yourself that "things" was not part of the original words, instead it should read "all through him existed", meaning all living beings, not all "things". This coincides with the Genesis account of water and the earth already existing before Jesus even began speaking, and this was because the Father created first, which included creating Jesus, then Jesus began creating what he uttered into existence.

Where do you find anything in Scripture that suggests that Jesus was created?

 

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[Der Alte]

That is so illogical. God the father of logic would be offended by such illogical babble. God doesn't bend the rules of logic for anyone not even himself. If you are being intellectually honest you would admit what you just said sounds ridiculous and objectively it is ridiculous. You couldn't get away with that logic anywhere else I don't see why you can get away with it here.

Thank you for this unsolicited and irrelevant opinion. What I said can be backed up with scripture. I think I have already posted, in this thread, the verses which call or refer to the Holy Spirit as God. Shall I post the verses which call or refer to Jesus as God? There are three in the Bible which are either called or referred to as God. Yet scripture says God is one.
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Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
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Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ​

 

[nothead]

Thank you for this unsolicited and irrelevant opinion. What I said can be backed up with scripture. I think I have already posted, in this thread, the verses which call or refer to the Holy Spirit as God. Shall I post the verses which call or refer to Jesus as God? There are three in the Bible which are either called or referred to as God. Yet scripture says God is one.
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Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
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Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: ​

You forgot what the scribe said, expert. NO OTHER BUT HE. HE is singular sir. And Jesus called him CLOSE to them Pearly Gates AND discerning or "discreet." Something said not even to his own disciples.

 

[jerry kelso]

You forgot what the scribe said, expert. NO OTHER BUT HE. HE is singular sir. And Jesus called him CLOSE to them Pearly Gates AND discerning or "discreet." Something said not even to his own disciples.

nothead,

1. What you fail to realize is that there are singular usages of Elohim for each individual; Father, Son, And the Holy Spirit.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4; Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. All the God head are called Lord and God means deity and one Lord is not talking about one individual of the Godhead in number. It is talking about the triune unity of oneness of three individuals. It is not specific in which one to begin with.

3. Your problem is that you think that God is one individual alone when the bible speaks of three in one. They are three separate entities that do things separately of each other but always in one. False Gods are not in oneness of unity and they are false to begin with compared to the one true God of three. Trinity is taught throughout the scriptures and yet man will try to explain it away by saying it wasn't in the original or whatever.

4. 1 John 5:7-8 mention the three in one that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. They are three different entities with different responsibilities and function separate of each other and all are called God and Lord and Jehovah. Oneness in unity with three different entities and their unity can never be unbroken. This is not talking or implying about 3 different offices being unified even though they are and it is not talking about 1 individual doing them all in unity even though God is unified in himself.

5. Actually, for Christ to be an adequate and true mediator he had to be God and man. This is why he came to earth in the form of man so he could identify with them. In the same way he is God and could identify with the father who he was one with.

6. God came in flesh through the conception of the Holy Spirit placed in Mary's womb and he was still God on earth but divested himself from using his divine abilities persay so he could show faith in the father and be our proper example in relationship with the father.

7. However, compound unity does include this subordination but within the relationship and not deity wise.
God the father is said not to share his glory with another and yet he shares it with his Son before the foundation of the world when he was not even birthed at the time physically as God in the flesh. He was equal with the father in the old testament for they all are called Yehovah and Jesus is our salvation and he was Jehoshua in the old testament. The Father was not and is not the Savior of the world and Christ the Son is and it is by his name only that one can be saved and not the Father. So strict monotheism or Christadelphian don't hold water as only one in the numerical sense of God thereby excluding the other two of the Godhead or reducing them to offices.

8. You are free to believe whatever you like for we all have to answer to God but to say that the 3 in 1 is illogical is illogical on your part.

9. By the way Mr. Theologian you still haven't answered about 1 Corinthians 15:31 when Paul said "I Die Daily". If you were trying to infer an answer in your statement you were wrong but you are welcome to try and be more plain and forthright about it. Food for thought. Jerry Kelso

 

[nothead]

nothead,

1. What you fail to realize is that there are singular usages of Elohim for each individual; Father, Son, And the Holy Spirit.

2. Deuteronomy 6:4; Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. All the God head are called Lord and God means deity and one Lord is not talking about one individual of the Godhead in number. It is talking about the triune unity of oneness of three individuals. It is not specific in which one to begin with.

3. Your problem is that you think that God is one individual alone when the bible speaks of three in one. They are three separate entities that do things separately of each other but always in one. False Gods are not in oneness of unity and they are false to begin with compared to the one true God of three. Trinity is taught throughout the scriptures and yet man will try to explain it away by saying it wasn't in the original or whatever.

Same thing I said to Der Alter. The ONLY context of Shema is in juxtaposition, NO OTHER ONE. Said nine times in Isa 45 just IN CASE you didn't geddit the first time...or the second time.......or the third time............or the fourth time....................or the fifth time..................................or the sixth time.....................................................or the seventh time............................................................................................or the eighth time.

NO OTHER BUT HE said by the scribe and then considered and proclaimed both discerning and CLOSE to them Pearly Gates. Mk 12

4. 1 John 5:7-8 mention the three in one that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. They are three different entities with different responsibilities and function separate of each other and all are called God and Lord and Jehovah. Oneness in unity with three different entities and their unity can never be unbroken. This is not talking or implying about 3 different offices being unified even though they are and it is not talking about 1 individual doing them all in unity even though God is unified in himself.

Of course most scholars consider the Comma Johannem an insert, INDICATING the purpose and direction of true heresy...

5. Actually, for Christ to be an adequate and true mediator he had to be God and man. This is why he came to earth in the form of man so he could identify with them. In the same way he is God and could identify with the father who he was one with.

Notatall, genius. The 10 righteous men in Sodom COULD have propitiated the town if there were that many. So much more A MAN could propitiate the world...that THIS one actually fulfilled Shema to it's fullest extent.

6. God came in flesh through the conception of the Holy Spirit placed in Mary's womb and he was still God on earth but divested himself from using his divine abilities persay so he could show faith in the father and be our proper example in relationship with the father.

You say "persay" since you know you are confused sir. IF God divested Himself of divine attributes, HE is no longer God anymore now is He?

7. However, compound unity does include this subordination but within the relationship and not deity wise.
God the father is said not to share his glory with another and yet he shares it with his Son before the foundation of the world when he was not even birthed at the time physically as God in the flesh. He was equal with the father in the old testament for they all are called Yehovah and Jesus is our salvation and he was Jehoshua in the old testament. The Father was not and is not the Savior of the world and Christ the Son is and it is by his name only that one can be saved and not the Father. So strict monotheism or Christadelphian don't hold water as only one in the numerical sense of God thereby excluding the other two of the Godhead or reducing them to offices.

Look in context when God says He will not share his glory. It could mean only for IDOLATERS, sir...which you are trying to be...a trinnie is one by definition. It could mean He will not share his glory to an EQUAL or one OVER Him.

But God DEFINITELY shared his glory to the Son who said:

Jn 17

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

In fact this polemic is about as retarded as it gets, sir. IF we cannot share in God's glory THEN we ain't got no hope in hell, OR heaven.

8. You are free to believe whatever you like for we all have to answer to God but to say that the 3 in 1 is illogical is illogical on your part.

Oh, I forgot anathema and heresy. AND illogical and impossible.

9. By the way Mr. Theologian you still haven't answered about 1 Corinthians 15:31 when Paul said "I Die Daily". If you were trying to infer an answer in your statement you were wrong but you are welcome to try and be more plain and forthright about it. Food for thought. Jerry Kelso

I addressed this twice and you must be trying to trip me up, funny. State your case, since I don't trip easily.[/QUOTE]

 

[jerry kelso]

Same thing I said to Der Alter. The ONLY context of Shema is in juxtaposition, NO OTHER ONE. Said nine times in Isa 45 just IN CASE you didn't geddit the first time...or the second time.......or the third time............or the fourth time....................or the fifth time..................................or the sixth time.....................................................or the seventh time............................................................................................or the eighth time.

NO OTHER BUT HE said by the scribe and then considered and proclaimed both discerning and CLOSE to them Pearly Gates. Mk 12



Of course most scholars consider the Comma Johannem an insert, INDICATING the purpose and direction of true heresy...



Notatall, genius. The 10 righteous men in Sodom COULD have propitiated the town if there were that many. So much more A MAN could propitiate the world...that THIS one actually fulfilled Shema to it's fullest extent.



You say "persay" since you know you are confused sir. IF God divested Himself of divine attributes, HE is no longer God anymore now is He?



Look in context when God says He will not share his glory. It could mean only for IDOLATERS, sir...which you are trying to be...a trinnie is one by definition. It could mean He will not share his glory to an EQUAL or one OVER Him.

But God DEFINITELY shared his glory to the Son who said:

Jn 17

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

In fact this polemic is about as retarded as it gets, sir. IF we cannot share in God's glory THEN we ain't got no hope in hell, OR heaven.



Oh, I forgot anathema and heresy. AND illogical and impossible.



I addressed this twice and you must be trying to trip me up, funny. State your case, since I don't trip easily.

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nothead,

1. Did you lose your head, not head? lol

2. You are tripped up easily since I have already stated my case accordingly to scripture about the triunity of the scriptures and how each is independent of each other in executing their part in the Godhead and the plan of redemption.

3. Your juxataposition is justyour position. The whole point of the Shema is Our Lord is one God is that all three are called Lord and one God and all are called God. It doesn't tell how many persons are in the "One (unified) Lord. All the given descriptions of the usage of the Lord, self existent, eternal, Jehovah, omnipotent etc. El, Eloah, Elyon, Adon, Sovereign, Ruler, Master, Jah I Am That I Am etc. are said of all three.

4. Now what is your real motive for trying to prove your view of the Godhead? Give a logical answer to the scripture and I am not talking about wanting to rightly divide the word or your opinion or because you believe that is what the bible says it. Explain what your exact view is and what scriptures you actually believe proves that and why you think that God in one number as one entity is right in the big picture. You say men believe in different Gods or elohim, so do you think you are defending that for God being one entity? That would be fair but all you want to do is try to bash the trinity doctrine as not being illogical or at least illogical compared to your belief. If this is your reason say so plainly.

5. Concerning divesting attributes of his deity is not doing away with them but not using them.

6. The righteous men if there were ten were not born sinless. Even Lot was not sinless and all men were born with the sin nature through Adam so your argument about the propitiation of righteous men is untrue and ridiculous to say the least. So you are the one that is not a genius.

7. The Son shared in God's glory and he also equaled himself in his deity with the Father Philippians 2:6. So once again you are wrong again as usual.

8. Mark 12 does say there is one God and there is none other but he: Jesus could agree with this as the Father because of his context of the Son relation to the Father. This doesn't violate all the other passages of scriptures that show that Jesus is equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit as well.

9. This is the problem with people that go to seed on one point and believe what they think is a plain scripture that is an absolute and overrides all other scriptures and it doesn't work. You need to understand proper biblical hermeneutics.

10. Those who go to the seed to the extreme on one point without understanding the context or ignoring other scriptures will have tunnel vision and be wrong all the time. This is why you most likely cannot correctly interpret 1 Corinthians 15:31 when Paul said, I die daily! You brag you are a theologian then here is your chance to prove it. Who knows you might get it right and I will agree if you get it right. Good luck. Jerry kelso

 

[nothead]

nothead,

1. Did you lose your head, not head? lol

I don't THINK so. Last I checked it was screwed on pretty tight. My wife likes to say the elevators don't go all the way to the top, but little does she know, my bean ain't GOT any elevators.

2. You are tripped up easily since I have already stated my case accordingly to scripture about the triunity of the scriptures and how each is independent of each other in executing their part in the Godhead and the plan of redemption.

Empty rhetoric. Whatever you said I don't remember what it was, so it must not have been nuttin' much, honey.

3. Your juxataposition is justyour position. The whole point of the Shema is Our Lord is one God is that all three are called Lord and one God and all are called God. It doesn't tell how many persons are in the "One (unified) Lord. All the given descriptions of the usage of the Lord, self existent, eternal, Jehovah, omnipotent etc. El, Eloah, Elyon, Adon, Sovereign, Ruler, Master, Jah I Am That I Am etc. are said of all three.

No...the whole point of Shema is the SINGLE God of the Jews is YHWH. And THIS GOD is the one to love with all of our heart soul and might. Ask any JEW who ain't been "evangelized" by you and your buds sir.

4. Now what is your real motive for trying to prove your view of the Godhead? Give a logical answer to the scripture and I am not talking about wanting to rightly divide the word or your opinion or because you believe that is what the bible says it. Explain what your exact view is and what scriptures you actually believe proves that and why you think that God in one number as one entity is right in the big picture. You say men believe in different Gods or elohim, so do you think you are defending that for God being one entity? That would be fair but all you want to do is try to bash the trinity doctrine as not being illogical or at least illogical compared to your belief. If this is your reason say so plainly.

I don't HAVE a view of the GodHEAD, since this term was made up and is NOT in the Bible one whit. GodHEAD is a term MODERN men made up in order to shove two more referents into the MIX. God is a MIX now instead of the Jewish God man.
Don't you understand that a TRIN has to prove the TRUE "God is a trinity" since ORIGINALLY this God was a singular God and not MULTI-personal? Don't you understand that the Burden of Proof is on YOU since THEIR God was here first?
Don't you understand that the WHOLE of the OT is INCOMPREHENSIBLE if you consider the Trinity every time you read of or what of or what He did, or what He said or what was going on in RELATION to Him? See....HIM and I and HE and ME and MINE are SINGULAR sir, in BOTH OT and NT when God speaks. In udder words, THEY ain't there NO HOW NO WAY, sir. WE ain't there sir. US ain't there sir. UsALL ain't there sir. ALL OB US ain't there sir. NEVER.

Say what. Show WHERE a "unity" is in tandem with Shema, in context, sir. A SINGLE time. Thank you sir. NO ONE is put in that category with YHWH EXCEPT em, uh duh buh gumma gumma HIMSELF sir.

5. Concerning divesting attributes of his deity is not doing away with them but not using them.

Equivocation to the maximum conclusion of pure confusion. God DIVESTS Himself of being God yayuh, it SHOULD make sense, but I don't got no ELEVATORS to discern it, gosh dern.

6. The righteous men if there were ten were not born sinless. Even Lot was not sinless and all men were born with the sin nature through Adam so your argument about the propitiation of righteous men is untrue and ridiculous to say the least. So you are the one that is not a genius.

Jesus had no DNA or inherited sin from his momma, sir? What kinda mangod you got there sir?

Oh I geddit. Mary was just a VESSEL from which Jesus popped. He didn't get ANYTHING from her ontology, only from his daddy, his Father I mean the Holy Spirit I mean both of them. See I WISH I had elevators in my bean, then I could AGREE with you brother.

7. The Son shared in God's glory and he also equaled himself in his deity with the Father Philippians 2:6. So once again you are wrong again as usual.

Not so, them phillipians were flipped. Oh gosh, maybe I can ENLIGHTEN you over this passage, sir.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1) Morphe is APPARENT visage, not NATURE or INHERENT SUBSTANCE or INHERENT ANYTHING, sir. Look it up.
2) You MISSED the plain juxtaposition in v. 9. Sir. GOD glorified Jesus so then HOW in the WORLD is Jesus God?
He glorified himself?
The Holy Spirit AND the Father glorified him?
HE as well as the other two glorified him, the SECOND Partnah SELF glorifying himself?
The Father glorified him? The Holy Spirit alone glorified him?

See how many OPTIONS you have here, confused one? I got only ONE since I don't BELIEVE in your made-up trinity.
3) And the last verse is the USUAL and NORMAL one. Jesus is Lord, adon. God is LORD, adonai. Jesus is said to be "kurios" or in the vocative "Kurie" in SEVENTY ONE verses in JUXTAPOSITION with God. God is God. Adonai is God. Jesus is kurie. This is ADON, not ADONAI.

And not ONE of these 71 verses in NT where Jesus is "kurie" and God is THEOS is Jesus called THEOS, sir. Why would this be sir? God any idears?

8. Mark 12 does say there is one God and there is none other but he: Jesus could agree with this as the Father because of his context of the Son relation to the Father. This doesn't violate all the other passages of scriptures that show that Jesus is equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit as well.

That makes sense as long as Jesus himself ain't no OTHER "he," as the scribe did say, genius. Tripped you up, but this is because you did it to yourself, sir. NO OTHER ONE, said how many times in OT for Shema. Jesus isn't another one or what, sir? You got basic reading comprehension? Apparently NOT sir.

9. This is the problem with people that go to seed on one point and believe what they think is a plain scripture that is an absolute and overrides all other scriptures and it doesn't work. You need to understand proper biblical hermeneutics.

Maybe it is YOU who don't understand biblical WEIGHTS, sir. Shema is the NUMBER ONE COMMAND under this sun for men and you mezzed it up in meaning. EVERY JEW BORN knows what Shema means but no you shuck and jive and pretend it is not so. And the JEWS for JESUS can take a hike down memory lane. They worship the GOLDEN CALF once again.

10. Those who go to the seed to the extreme on one point without understanding the context or ignoring other scriptures will have tunnel vision and be wrong all the time. This is why you most likely cannot correctly interpret 1 Corinthians 15:31 when Paul said, I die daily! You brag you are a theologian then here is your chance to prove it. Who knows you might get it right and I will agree if you get it right. Good luck. Jerry kelso

I die every time I read one of your posts sir. This is MORE than daily give me a medal.

 

[Hoghead1]

I don't THINK so. Last I checked it was screwed on pretty tight. My wife likes to say the elevators don't go all the way to the top, but little does she know, my bean ain't GOT any elevators.



Empty rhetoric. Whatever you said I don't remember what it was, so it must not have been nuttin' much, honey.



No...the whole point of Shema is the SINGLE God of the Jews is YHWH. And THIS GOD is the one to love with all of our heart soul and might. Ask any JEW who ain't been "evangelized" by you and your buds sir.



I don't HAVE a view of the GodHEAD, since this term was made up and is NOT in the Bible one whit. GodHEAD is a term MODERN men made up in order to shove two more referents into the MIX. God is a MIX now instead of the Jewish God man.
Don't you understand that a TRIN has to prove the TRUE "God is a trinity" since ORIGINALLY this God was a singular God and not MULTI-personal? Don't you understand that the Burden of Proof is on YOU since THEIR God was here first?
Don't you understand that the WHOLE of the OT is INCOMPREHENSIBLE if you consider the Trinity every time you read of or what of or what He did, or what He said or what was going on in RELATION to Him? See....HIM and I and HE and ME and MINE are SINGULAR sir, in BOTH OT and NT when God speaks. In udder words, THEY ain't there NO HOW NO WAY, sir. WE ain't there sir. US ain't there sir. UsALL ain't there sir. ALL OB US ain't there sir. NEVER.

Say what. Show WHERE a "unity" is in tandem with Shema, in context, sir. A SINGLE time. Thank you sir. NO ONE is put in that category with YHWH EXCEPT em, uh duh buh gumma gumma HIMSELF sir.



Equivocation to the maximum conclusion of pure confusion. God DIVESTS Himself of being God yayuh, it SHOULD make sense, but I don't got no ELEVATORS to discern it, gosh dern.



Jesus had no DNA or inherited sin from his momma, sir? What kinda mangod you got there sir?

Oh I geddit. Mary was just a VESSEL from which Jesus popped. He didn't get ANYTHING from her ontology, only from his daddy, his Father I mean the Holy Spirit I mean both of them. See I WISH I had elevators in my bean, then I could AGREE with you brother.



Not so, them phillipians were flipped. Oh gosh, maybe I can ENLIGHTEN you over this passage, sir.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1) Morphe is APPARENT visage, not NATURE or INHERENT SUBSTANCE or INHERENT ANYTHING, sir. Look it up.
2) You MISSED the plain juxtaposition in v. 9. Sir. GOD glorified Jesus so then HOW in the WORLD is Jesus God?
He glorified himself?
The Holy Spirit AND the Father glorified him?
HE as well as the other two glorified him, the SECOND Partnah SELF glorifying himself?
The Father glorified him? The Holy Spirit alone glorified him?

See how many OPTIONS you have here, confused one? I got only ONE since I don't BELIEVE in your made-up trinity.
3) And the last verse is the USUAL and NORMAL one. Jesus is Lord, adon. God is LORD, adonai. Jesus is said to be "kurios" or in the vocative "Kurie" in SEVENTY ONE verses in JUXTAPOSITION with God. God is God. Adonai is God. Jesus is kurie. This is ADON, not ADONAI.

And not ONE of these 71 verses in NT where Jesus is "kurie" and God is THEOS is Jesus called THEOS, sir. Why would this be sir? God any idears?






That makes sense as long as Jesus himself ain't no OTHER "he," as the scribe did say, genius. Tripped you up, but this is because you did it to yourself, sir. NO OTHER ONE, said how many times in OT for Shema. Jesus isn't another one or what, sir? You got basic reading comprehension? Apparently NOT sir.



Maybe it is YOU who don't understand biblical WEIGHTS, sir. Shema is the NUMBER ONE COMMAND under this sun for men and you mezzed it up in meaning. EVERY JEW BORN knows what Shema means but no you shuck and jive and pretend it is not so. And the JEWS for JESUS can take a hike down memory lane. They worship the GOLDEN CALF once again.



I die every time I read one of your posts sir. This is MORE than daily give me a medal.

How hard would it be for you to cease your comic-book talk, where you sound like Peppermint Patty, with all this "sir" stuff. I know you think it's clever, but I still say it seriously detracts from your presentation. Also, as I have suggested before, you need to carefully review the biblical passages that Trinitarians call on. They definitely are not speaking out of thin air, as you falsely caricaturize them.

 

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I don't THINK so. Last I checked it was screwed on pretty tight. My wife likes to say the elevators don't go all the way to the top, but little does she know, my bean ain't GOT any elevators.



Empty rhetoric. Whatever you said I don't remember what it was, so it must not have been nuttin' much, honey.



No...the whole point of Shema is the SINGLE God of the Jews is YHWH. And THIS GOD is the one to love with all of our heart soul and might. Ask any JEW who ain't been "evangelized" by you and your buds sir.



I don't HAVE a view of the GodHEAD, since this term was made up and is NOT in the Bible one whit. GodHEAD is a term MODERN men made up in order to shove two more referents into the MIX. God is a MIX now instead of the Jewish God man.
Don't you understand that a TRIN has to prove the TRUE "God is a trinity" since ORIGINALLY this God was a singular God and not MULTI-personal? Don't you understand that the Burden of Proof is on YOU since THEIR God was here first?
Don't you understand that the WHOLE of the OT is INCOMPREHENSIBLE if you consider the Trinity every time you read of or what of or what He did, or what He said or what was going on in RELATION to Him? See....HIM and I and HE and ME and MINE are SINGULAR sir, in BOTH OT and NT when God speaks. In udder words, THEY ain't there NO HOW NO WAY, sir. WE ain't there sir. US ain't there sir. UsALL ain't there sir. ALL OB US ain't there sir. NEVER.

Say what. Show WHERE a "unity" is in tandem with Shema, in context, sir. A SINGLE time. Thank you sir. NO ONE is put in that category with YHWH EXCEPT em, uh duh buh gumma gumma HIMSELF sir.



Equivocation to the maximum conclusion of pure confusion. God DIVESTS Himself of being God yayuh, it SHOULD make sense, but I don't got no ELEVATORS to discern it, gosh dern.



Jesus had no DNA or inherited sin from his momma, sir? What kinda mangod you got there sir?

Oh I geddit. Mary was just a VESSEL from which Jesus popped. He didn't get ANYTHING from her ontology, only from his daddy, his Father I mean the Holy Spirit I mean both of them. See I WISH I had elevators in my bean, then I could AGREE with you brother.



Not so, them phillipians were flipped. Oh gosh, maybe I can ENLIGHTEN you over this passage, sir.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

1) Morphe is APPARENT visage, not NATURE or INHERENT SUBSTANCE or INHERENT ANYTHING, sir. Look it up.
2) You MISSED the plain juxtaposition in v. 9. Sir. GOD glorified Jesus so then HOW in the WORLD is Jesus God?
He glorified himself?
The Holy Spirit AND the Father glorified him?
HE as well as the other two glorified him, the SECOND Partnah SELF glorifying himself?
The Father glorified him? The Holy Spirit alone glorified him?

See how many OPTIONS you have here, confused one? I got only ONE since I don't BELIEVE in your made-up trinity.
3) And the last verse is the USUAL and NORMAL one. Jesus is Lord, adon. God is LORD, adonai. Jesus is said to be "kurios" or in the vocative "Kurie" in SEVENTY ONE verses in JUXTAPOSITION with God. God is God. Adonai is God. Jesus is kurie. This is ADON, not ADONAI.

And not ONE of these 71 verses in NT where Jesus is "kurie" and God is THEOS is Jesus called THEOS, sir. Why would this be sir? God any idears?






That makes sense as long as Jesus himself ain't no OTHER "he," as the scribe did say, genius. Tripped you up, but this is because you did it to yourself, sir. NO OTHER ONE, said how many times in OT for Shema. Jesus isn't another one or what, sir? You got basic reading comprehension? Apparently NOT sir.



Maybe it is YOU who don't understand biblical WEIGHTS, sir. Shema is the NUMBER ONE COMMAND under this sun for men and you mezzed it up in meaning. EVERY JEW BORN knows what Shema means but no you shuck and jive and pretend it is not so. And the JEWS for JESUS can take a hike down memory lane. They worship the GOLDEN CALF once again.



I die every time I read one of your posts sir. This is MORE than daily give me a medal.

I find your critique of the Trinity is OK, but that's about it. It lacks any real imagination. God may very well have complex social relationships with himself or herself that we do not have. I think that creation is God's way of entering into complexity and therefore self-consciousness. Hence, in creation, God differentiated into Father and Son, in whom God created all things. Creation is both other than God and yet part of the being of God. God can glorify Christ, in the sense I can bless and glorify parts of my body. My cells are individual feeling entities or personalities. In one sense, they are other than me, yet they are also part of me.