The Early Church is the Catholic Church

[Thursday]

And it's always vacant when he is schismatic or heretic.

If his rejection of the other patriarchs was wrong, then what?

It wasn't. The Church doesn't make wrong decisions because Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead it into all truth.

Those that left the Church did so for political reasons, not theological.

There was no dispute about the role of the pope until it became politically expedient for some in the east.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Yes that is your opinion. So tell us which was hand picked by Christ Himself Matthias or Paul? I rest my case.

Both of them. I rest MY case.

 

[rakovsky]

It wasn't. The Church doesn't make wrong decisions because Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead it into all truth.

So what happens when the pope makes a wrong decision and is a heretic andl the EO church is righr?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Oh my you have that so wrong. God, therefore Christ, is called rock many times in the Bible. Christ is the foundation of the Church, it is afterall supposed to be full of people called Christians. I have never heard anyone call a Christian a Peterian, have you? Foundations are more important than cornerstones, foundations are what the cornerstone relies on to keep it stable.

So what did Ephesians 2:20 mean to you? Though you're right, Peter's not the foundation, either. He is the rock upon which the Church is built.

 

[Thursday]

So what happens when the pope makes a wrong decision and is a heretic andl the EO church is righr?

That doesn't happen. There has been no heretical doctrine taught by the Catholic Church.

 

[tickingclocker]

Do you think He and the Father disagree on any matters of our faith?

No, they do not. We, on the other hand ARE NOT DIVINE. We interpret humanly, with our eyes half open, using whatever culture God has placed us in. If you think this earth is all there is to faith, maybe it might help your outlook to start paying attention to the fact that life continues after Jesus returns. God's divine big reveal of what this whole thing called faith has all been about.

Trust me, coming out of a cult as I have, "sameness" is NOT all its cracked up to be. I literally revel in so much variety among my brothers and sisters in Christ within Christianity! Its so refreshing to see such interaction among the Family of God---even the arguments, yes. I see it as watching out for each other, as a positive and not a negative. Nobody does that within cults. They are all taught to believe the same wrong things, with no variation allowed. You speak up to challenge anything, you are automatically ostracized in some form.

You don't realize what you have out here. You Christians simply cannot fathom the value of differences while still proclaiming the same eternal message of God's love--for all. THIS God loves everybody--equally? Even when they don't always agree. I pray someday you will learn to embrace it. It could be much worse.

 

[rakovsky]

That doesn't happen. There has been no heretical doctrine taught by the Catholic Church.

Yes, the Catholic Church says that when pope Honors was a heretic, but Pat. Sophronius in the east was not.

 

[Thursday]

No, they do not. We, on the other hand ARE NOT DIVINE.

The Church is divine. Jesus promised the leaders of his Church that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth and that he would be with them until the end of the world.

 

[Thursday]

Yes, the Catholic Church says that when pope Honors was a heretic, but some church leaders in the east were not.

The Church never taught heresy. No pope acting in his official capacity ever taught heresy. The Church is protected from teaching error.

Individual popes can be in error, but not when in the role as the leader of the Church.

 

[rakovsky]

The Church is divine. Jesus promised the leaders of his Church that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth and that he would be with them until the end of the world.

He did not say that whoever was the leader in Rome would not be fallible.

The RC church teaches some popes were heretics and got excommunicated rightly.

 

[rakovsky]

The Church never taught heresy. No pope acting in his official capacity ever taught heresy. The Church is protected from teaching error.

Individual popes can be in error, but not when in the role as the leader of the Church.

The RC church teaches that Pope Honorius acting in his official capacity as the Roman Pope taught error and that Pat. Sophronius rightly stood against the error of the pope of Rome.

 

[tickingclocker]

The Church is divine. Jesus promised the leaders of his Church that the Holy Spirit would lead them into all truth and that he would be with them until the end of the world.

That does not make a group of people cobbled together into a like-minded assembly somehow "divine". It keeps the truth they believe divine. Jesus remains divine. The Word of God remains divine. Is the Bride of Christ, i.e., the church, divine? She's no god, is she?! There is only one divine God.

 

[Thursday]

He did not say that whoever was the leader in Rome would not be fallible.

The RC church teaches some popes were heretics and got excommunicated rightly.

So? Peter denied knowing Jesus three times. That doesn't mean he taught error.

 

[Thursday]

That does not make a group of people cobbled together into a like-minded assembly somehow "divine". It keeps the truth they believe divine. Jesus remains divine. The Word of God remains divine. Is the Bride of Christ, i.e., the church, divine? She's no god, is she?! There is only one God who is divine.

The Church is divine. The Church wrote and compiled the books of the New Testament. Do you trust the work of the Church?

 

[Thursday]

The RC church teaches that Pope Honorius acting in his official capacity as the Roman Pope taught error and that Pat. Sophronius rightly stood against the error of the pope of Rome.

That's not accurate.

 

[rakovsky]

That's not accurate.

Is the Roman Catholic Church wrong that P Honorius was a monoethilite heretic when Pat Sophronius was not?

6a) The Sixth Œcumenical Council of the Catholic Church formally excommunicated Pope Honorius I: “We decide that [Pope] Honorius also, who was Pope of Old Rome, be with them cast out of the Holy Church of God and be anathematized [i.e. excommunicated] with them, because We have found in his letter to Sergius that he followed his [i.e. Sergius’] opinion in all things and confirmed his pernicious [i.e. heretical] teachings” (Third Council of Constantinople [Sunday, November 7, 680 A.D. - Friday, September 16, 681 A.D.], Decree of Formal Excommunication of Pope Honorius I.)

 

[rakovsky]

So? Peter denied knowing Jesus three times. That doesn't mean he taught error.

The RC church does teach that P. Honorius taught error.

 

[tickingclocker]

The Church is divine. The Church wrote and compiled the books of the New Testament. Do you trust the work of the Church?

The church did NOT "write the books". The Spirit of GOD "wrote" the books, and the church copied down what HE told them to write. Then the church, at the Lord's direction, complied those works into the canon of the bible we now have. That is why its called the divine WORD OF GOD, not the human Word of the "Church". God wrote it, we transcribed it through His power, and thus handed it to the world.

I trust the work and power of the LORD working "through" the church. I don't trust ANY group of humans, however wonderful, who claim to be divine.

 

[rakovsky]

That does not make a group of people cobbled together into a like-minded assembly somehow "divine". It keeps the truth they believe divine. Jesus remains divine. The Word of God remains divine. Is the Bride of Christ, i.e., the church, divine? She's no god, is she?! There is only one divine God.

Look, even the Catholic Church teaches that there have been heretic popes and times between popes.
the only way to argue that RC is right us to review the 1054 split issues not to automatically assume the pope is right.

 

[Thursday]

That's not accurate.

Here's a very detailed account:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07452b.htm