3 Questions

[Albion]

So...Calvinists believe in Predestination. That's it.

 

[Patmos]

So...Calvinists believe in Predestination. That's it.

If you insist

The object of "predestination" in Rom. 8:29 is "to be conformed to the image of his Son".

Case closed ( bar the huffing and puffing).

 

[Patmos]

The object of "predestination" in Rom. 8:29 is "to be conformed to the image of his Son".

 

[nobdysfool]

What has been resolved is that predestination IS a main point for Calvinism per Westminster confessions.

Predestination is a part of the Calvinist understanding of Scripture, no one has denied that. What we have repeatedly denied is that it is the central doctrine or the most important part of the doctrine, as a few have tried to claim.

What has also been resolved is the supposed secret esoteric understanding that some Calvinists maintain is bunk.

The supposed "secret esoteric understanding" is a figment of your overactive imaginations. Nothing like that exists, and never has.

Westminster Confessions Chapter 3

Of God's Eternal Decree
I. God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;[1] yet so, as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[2] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures; nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.[3]

II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions;[4] yet has He not decreed anything because He foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.[5]

III. By the decree of God, for the manifestation of His glory, some men and angels[6] are predestinated unto everlasting life; and others foreordained to everlasting death.[7]

IV. These angels and men, thus predestinated, and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.[8]

SO, NOTHING IMAGINED.

Thanks for the opportunity of clearing that up.

What is the point on this. Please do not make the mistake of thinking that all Calvinists march in lock-step and all believe the exact same thing down to the smallest detail. It isn't so, it never has been so, and trying to make it appear that way so you can make some big show out of "defeating Calvinism" does nothing but show a lack of discernment, and the kind theology that is a mile wide and only half-an-inch deep. Mybe sopmeday yopu wioll develop some discernment and come to understand some deeper things in Scripture but y'all have a ways to go. You ain't there yet.

But, by all means, enjoy the victory you imagine you have achieved. I don't want to rain on your parade....

 

[EmSw]

What is the point on this. Please do not make the mistake of thinking that all Calvinists march in lock-step and all believe the exact same thing down to the smallest detail. It isn't so, it never has been so, and trying to make it appear that way so you can make some big show out of "defeating Calvinism" does nothing but show a lack of discernment, and the kind theology that is a mile wide and only half-an-inch deep.

If all Calvinists do not march in 'lock-step' and believe the exact same thing, who is telling the truth and who is lying? The truth cannot be divided.

Which Calvinist group will stand up and proclaim they are the ones who are telling the truth?

Which Calvinist group should be avoided for lying?

Which Calvinist group has God predestined to believe lies?

 

[Radagast]

Which Calvinist group will stand up and proclaim they are the ones who are telling the truth?

Which Calvinist group should be avoided for lying?

Which Calvinist group has God predestined to believe lies?

Yep, he's a stirrer.

 

[EmSw]

Yep, he's a stirrer.

Do you not seek the truth? Do you think truth is truth just because man says so?

BTW, pass the creamer. I need something to stir in my coffee.

 

[nobdysfool]

If all Calvinists do not march in 'lock-step' and believe the exact same thing, who is telling the truth and who is lying? The truth cannot be divided.

Which Calvinist group will stand up and proclaim they are the ones who are telling the truth?

Which Calvinist group should be avoided for lying?

Which Calvinist group has God predestined to believe lies?

Why do you continue on with this silliness?

 

[EmSw]

Why do you continue on with this silliness?

Is the answer too difficult for you?

 

[nobdysfool]

Is the answer too difficult for you?

No, it's not. But is serves no useful purpose, because each man is responsible to God for what he believes. It does not matter what a certain group believes. No one is 100% accurate, which completely destroys your question. Stop asking it, it is a dead end.

 

[EmSw]

No, it's not. But is serves no useful purpose, because each man is responsible to God for what he believes. It does not matter what a certain group believes. No one is 100% accurate, which completely destroys your question. Stop asking it, it is a dead end.

So, which group of Calvinists should one follow?

 

[nobdysfool]

So, which group of Calvinists should one follow?

You'll have to figure that one out on your own. Now quit acting like a troll.

 

[EmSw]

You'll have to figure that one out on your own. Now quit acting like a troll.

Can a dead person figure it out on his own?

 

[nobdysfool]

I follow Jesus. I suggest you do the same.