Here is why the saints cannot ignore the Commandments of God - not even the TEN

[Salem]

Actually what I was implying was he has these people whom he says agree that the 10 commandments are binding on Christians and even a few that claim we should keep the Sabbath but so far I haven't seen any proof ANY of these people in his list even attempt to keep a Saturday Sabbath when if his claims are true they should all be commanding their flocks to keep Saturday when often they sort of keep Sunday and consider it obeying the 10 commandments. These people are clueless as the whom is under the 10 commandments which includes a Saturday Sabbath and to whom the 10 don't apply directly in context as listed in the Old Testament. Jesus himself quoted 9 of the 10.... and OMITTED the Sabbath Commandment which really should give these Sabbath Keepers a huge clue but they desire to keep the Sabbath and in that desire don't feel right about keeping it until they convince others that they should be a "Sabbath Lemming" so to speak and follow their lead blindly.

Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5-10 are unambiguous what the truth is, where Christians are concerned. The problem is the Adventist believes the writings of their false prophet, Ellen White, are inspired. They're really spouting Ellen White, not scripture truth. These things don't come from the Bible, in the first place. They are lemmings, tasked with trying to recruit others, which all the cults do, who must think the law is a Chinese menu or a buffet they can take what they like from, and throw out the rest, despite Galatians 5:3 and James 2:10 that the jig is up, playing that game. The bottom line is they belong to a religion that doesn't exist in the Bible, is not something you can make sense of, in terms of truth and sound doctrine of scripture. It's like all cults that are Bible plus some false prophet, who added to the faith to make a new, false religion, religion they can gather together their own paying flock to control and support them. It's like having a product exclusive, in the charlatan religions world.

 

[BobRyan]

It was amusing. There was this forum where Adventists were constantly fighting with fundamentalists .

Adventists like -- D.L. Moody?? (As we saw on page 1 of this same thread)

D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

==========================

Or was it Adventists like these guys -- ??

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Messianic Jews
(and 100's of others)

 

[BobRyan]

Colossians 2:16-17 and Romans 14:5-10 are unambiguous what the truth is, .

Certainly that is true.

Romans 14 says that some folks observe one day above another while other folks observe them all - speaking of the annual holy days approved in the Bible in Lev 23.

And Col 2 is very specific about its focus on "commandments of men" and making stuff up - instead of accepting the Word of God.

Kinda reminds me of Christ's teaching Mark 7:6-13... in the OP

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

That reminds me -- welcome to the thread -- did you read the texts in the OP?

 

[bugkiller]

did either of them affirm all TEN of the TEN Commandments as applicable for Christians - to this very day??

No

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Nowhere in the NT do you find the command to "Not take God's name in vain" quoted in total - or even in part.
But you DO Find the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
The fluff-rule "whatever is not repeated shall be deleted" is not from the Bible.

Nowhere in the NT is the text "every day is Sabbath" - so you "quote you" for that to make that point.

Where?

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

I hope you will not be offended, but I have finally come to understand that Christians are under the New Covenant, instead of the Sinai covenant. This is where the confusion lies.

My wife and I worshipped today with our church body. However, nowhere in the New Testament will you find a commandment for the early Church to keep the Sabbath.

Nowhere in the NT do you find the command to "Not take God's name in vain" quoted in total - or even in part.
But you DO Find the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
The fluff-rule "whatever is not repeated shall be deleted" is not from the Bible.

Nowhere in the NT is the text "every day is Sabbath" - so you "quote you" for that to make that point.

Where?

bugkiller

Where - what??

 

[BABerean2]

Nowhere in the NT do you find the command to "Not take God's name in vain" quoted in total - or even in part.
But you DO Find the Sabbath Commandment quoted.

Really...

Mat_22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

You cannot follow the commandment given above and take God's name in vain at the same time.


You are right we do find something about the Sabbath commandment in the New Testament.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html
.

 

[bugkiller]

1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13

Nowhere in the NT do you find the command to "Not take God's name in vain" quoted in total - or even in part.
But you DO Find the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
The fluff-rule "whatever is not repeated shall be deleted" is not from the Bible.

Nowhere in the NT is the text "every day is Sabbath" - so you "quote you" for that to make that point.



Where - what??

You can't be serious.

bugkiller

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Nowhere in the NT do you find the command to "Not take God's name in vain" quoted in total - or even in part.
But you DO Find the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
The fluff-rule "whatever is not repeated shall be deleted" is not from the Bible.

Nowhere in the NT is the text "every day is Sabbath" - so you "quote you" for that to make that point.



Where - what??

"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Jeremiah 31:31-34

There are so many threads on this same topic. Don't you think that there appears to be far too much of a concentrated effort to denounce God's new covenant made with Christians? And in these restricted forums?

I'm reminded of that one that argued for false teachings aplenty in a different thread. God shines the light on that which is of dark intent and certainly so in that thread wherein that false promoter of damnable cult teachings stated that Jesus was dead on the cross. And stayed dead! He didn't rise from the tomb. He didn't walk and deliver his ministry further proving his prior teachings and showing his divinity for forty days. And above all, he did not ascend to Heaven. He didn't go anywhere after he was put in the tomb. He was dead!

Shocking isn't it? But as we're told, Satan an quote scripture and can also appear as an angel of light. We're to be vigilant and discern the truth from the lies.

The Book of Roman's tells us God's law is in our hearts and minds. That would include the ten commandments.
I'd suggest that just as the Satanic lies previously mentioned about Jesus remaining dead, that you might want to consider that there is a movement to that effect on all subjects that guide those in Christ.
What is there to argue against? That which tries to tell you there is no law in your heart and mind anymore? That God's words are false? That Paul lied? That the laws of the flesh are not overcome by the new creation that we are with God's law in our being so as not to fall to that which condemned us before? As we walked in the flesh and in the laws of this world?

Consider that you're not going to argue to salvation those that label themselves in order to condemn the way.

Be at peace brother.

 

[BobRyan]

"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Jeremiah 31:31-34

There are so many threads on this same topic. Don't you think that there appears to be far too much of a concentrated effort to denounce God's new covenant made with Christians?

Agreed.

"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Lots of threads where people attack the Law of God as known to Jeremiah and his readers when he wrote this.

Lots of rejecting anything made with "the house of Israel" -- like the 'TEN Commandments' in Ex 20:1 and in Jer 31:31-33.

I'm reminded of that one that argued for false teachings aplenty in a different thread. God shines the light on that which is of dark intent and certainly so in that thread wherein that false promoter of damnable cult teachings stated that Jesus was dead on the cross. And stayed dead! He didn't rise from the tomb. He didn't walk and deliver his ministry further proving his prior teachings and showing his divinity for forty days. And above all, he did not ascend to Heaven. He didn't go anywhere after he was put in the tomb. He was dead!

sounds like bad doctrine alright - I agree with you.

And plenty of bad doctrine in the dark ages - only to be debunked "sola scriptura" where "ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for doctrine" 2Tim 3:16

The Book of Roman's tells us God's law is in our hearts and minds.

Very true of the NT.

Actually that is Heb 8:6-10 that tells us the Law of God is in the mind and heart - and it does so by quoting Jer 31:31-33 "New Covenant" - verbatim.

That would include the ten commandments.
I'd suggest that just as the Satanic lies previously mentioned about Jesus remaining dead, that you might want to consider that there is a movement to that effect on all subjects that guide those in Christ.

Very true

What is there to argue against? That which tries to tell you there is no law in your heart and mind anymore? That God's words are false? That Paul lied? That the laws of the flesh are not overcome by the new creation that we are with God's law in our being so as not to fall to that which condemned us before? As we walked in the flesh and in the laws of this world?

Consider that you're not going to argue to salvation those that label themselves in order to condemn the way.

Be at peace brother.

you are correct that no one will be "argued into something" against their will. Just won't happen.

The reason that I post is not to force people against their will - but rather for the "unbiased objective reader" , the "Bible student" that comes to these threads that have 1000's of views - and wants to see both sides compared - in the open marketplace of ideas. Where each side makes their best case - and the reader decides for himself.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I hope you will not be offended, but I have finally come to understand that Christians are under the New Covenant, instead of the Sinai covenant. This is where the confusion lies.

My wife and I worshipped today with our church body. However, nowhere in the New Testament will you find a commandment for the early Church to keep the Sabbath.

Nowhere in the NT do you find the command to "Not take God's name in vain" quoted in total - or even in part.

But you DO Find the Sabbath Commandment quoted.
The fluff-rule "whatever is not repeated shall be deleted" is not from the Bible.

Nowhere in the NT is the text "every day is Sabbath" - so you "quote you" for that to make that point.

Really...

Mat_22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

You cannot follow the commandment given above and take God's name in vain at the same time.

Certainly it is true that the first 4 commandments are summed in the Mosaic Law "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5.

And Certainly it is true that the last 6 commandments are summed in the Mosaic Law "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18

But that was not your point when you gave your "nowhere in the NT will you find a commandment to KEEP Sabbath" -- just as nowhere do you find the command to "Not take God's name in vain".

What is more - your quote from Matt 22 is before the cross - and almost nobody here tries to delete the TEN Commandments BEFORE the cross - much less Christ doing it - and in fact in the exchange in Matt 22 the JEWS also agree with Christ that all the "LAW AND the Prophets" are founded on those two Mosaic LAWS as stated by Christ in Matt 22.

You are right we do find something about the Sabbath commandment in the New Testament.

Indeed - I am right about that --


In the NEW earth - which is long AFTER the cross "from Sabbath to SABBATh shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23

"ALL scripture is given by inspiration from God AND is to be used for DOCTRINE" 2Tim 3:16

"There REMAINS therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4.

"WORSHIP Him who MADE the heavens and the earth the seas and the springs of water" Rev 14:7

"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19

The TEN Commandment unit is still valid in the NT and in that still-valid-law the 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2 and is still binding on all the saints.

There is not ONE text in the NT saying "Do Not take God's name in vain" quoted in total - or even in part.
But you DO Find the Sabbath Commandment quoted in the NT as well as SABBATH AFTER SABBATH Gospel preaching to GENTILES.

The fluff-rule "whatever is not repeated shall be deleted" is not from the Bible.

 

[BobRyan]

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White

.

Adventists like -- D.L. Moody?? (As we saw on page 1 of this same thread)

D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

==========================

Or was it Adventists like these guys -- ??

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Messianic Jews
(and 100's of others) [/QUOTE]

 

[BobRyan]

Some here are motivated by "sola scriptura" facts --

1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13

 

[BobRyan]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

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Just ONE occasion for meeting on week-day-1
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

By contrast EVERY SABBATH -- Acts 18:1-4 Sabbath meeting for Gospel preaching to GENTILES and Jews.

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Colossians 2 is about false teachers "making stuff up" vs the real - pure doctrine of the Gospel.

Mark 2:23-28 - making stuff up about 7th day Sabbath keeping
Mark 7:6-13 - making stuff up that contradicts the Commandments of God.


Col 2
13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross

1 john 2:2 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Nailing our debt of sin - the cross - having become the substitutionary atoning sacrifice -- paying our debt.

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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of Sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.(NASB)

This is not a condemnation of eating, or of drinking or of the annual feast day Sabbath shadows of the cross or any part of God's Word.


Col 2 is about condemning the commandments "of men" - not commandments of God.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.
..
18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19 They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules: 21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? 22 These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

instead of Paul condemning what Christ calls "the Word of God" in Col 2 -- Paul condemns the traditions of MAN.

Here is how Paul contrasts keeping the moral law of God that defines what sin is (including the TEN Commandments) vs the ceremonial law such as circumcision.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

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The NEW Covenant -

Jer 31
31 “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. 33 “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.[/QUOTE]

 

[BobRyan]

Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

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In Gal 1:6-9 Paul says there has always-and-ever been only ONE Gospel.

In Gal 3:7 that ONE Gospel - was "preached to Abraham".

In John 8 - "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

In Gen 26:5 Abraham KEPT God's Commandments, Laws, Statutes.

1. In Gal 3 as in Romans 3 Paul makes the case that the Law applies to ALL mankind regardless of Jew or Gentile and that by that Law ALL are condemned as sinners - ALL need a savior.

2. As Paul points out in Gal 3 the Law of God does not "Save" it is not a "kind of savior" that used to work in the OT but now doesn't work so well. It never functioned as "savior".

3. Paul points out in Romans 7 and in Romans 10 that a person is born-again "Saved" at the moment that "faith comes". RND makes a good point about Heb 11 providing a great example of the giants of the faith - for whom "Faith had come" and they were "found pleasing to God" as a result of that Gospel transaction in their lives.

This is the same gospel event Paul is identifying in Gal 3 for all mankind. All mankind is lost - kept under bondage to sin and under condemnation of the law UNTIL we come to Christ and accept salvation. This was true in OT AND in NT. No change.

As Paul argues in Gal 3:7 the Gospel "was preached to Abraham".

As Paul argues in Heb 4:1 "the Gospel was preached to US just as it was to them".

As Paul argues in Gal 1:6-11 there has been only ONE Gospel in all of time!

Even in the NT "sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4

And in Heb 8:6-10 that same Jeremiah 31:31-33 LAW of God - the moral law that defines sin - is "Written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant made in Heb 8 with the "House of ISRAEL"

Paul shows a change in our relationship to the LAW that condemns all mankind under sin - taking place when we are converted... only when we are converted... which is when that law is written on the heart.

Notice "the details"

Gal 3
21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BABerean2]

Actually that is Heb 8:6-10 that tells us the Law of God is in the mind and heart - and it does so by quoting Jer 31:31-33 "New Covenant" - verbatim.

Well, it is not without clarification that you may want to ignore in order to hold onto the Saturday Sabbath from what Paul describes as the covenant of bondage in Galatians chapter 4 and that Peter describes as a Yoke they could not bear in Acts chapter 15, when arguing against the false doctrine of the Judaisers.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Ignore Hebrews 8:13 and Paul's instruction to cast out the Sinai covenant of bondage in Galatians chapter 4 and Peter's comparison to a Yoke of bondage in Acts chapter 15 and Colossians 2:16 and Acts 20:7 and you might be able to hold onto your Sinai Sabbath given to Israel as a "sign" of the Sinai covenant.


It would seem that the Judaisers are alive and well in the modern world.

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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[BobRyan]

"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." Jeremiah 31:31-34

There are so many threads on this same topic. Don't you think that there appears to be far too much of a concentrated effort to denounce God's new covenant made with Christians?

Agreed.

"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Lots of threads where people attack the Law of God as known to Jeremiah and his readers when he wrote this.

Lots of rejecting anything made with "the house of Israel" -- like the 'TEN Commandments' in Ex 20:1 and in Jer 31:31-33.

Well, it is not without clarification that you may want to ignore in order to hold onto the Saturday Sabbath from what Paul describes as the covenant of bondage

The wild fiction "Saturday Sabbath from what Paul describes as the covenant of bondage" is not a quote of Paul -- rather it is "once again" a quote from "you".

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

Is it your claim that when you make stuff up - we should just put down our Bibles and take "you" as our new source of truth??

Please be serious.

in Galatians chapter 4 and that Peter describes as a Yoke they could not bear in Acts chapter 15, when arguing against the false doctrine of the Judaisers.

But never says it is God who did that. Rather Paul says the LAW is "holy just and good".

IN Acts 15 they had the problem of people doing what you are doing "making stuff up" instead of sticking with the Bible. There never was a command from God NT or OT saying that gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved. So people were - as you are -- "making stuff up" to get that idea as a "must have".

Why double-down on such a failed system?

The point remains.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

 

[BobRyan]

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White

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Again???

Like this??

Adventists like -- D.L. Moody?? (As we saw on page 1 of this same thread)

D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

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Or was it Adventists like these guys -- ??

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Messianic Jews
(and 100's of others)

 

[Four Angels Standing]

Agreed.

"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Lots of threads where people attack the Law of God as known to Jeremiah and his readers when he wrote this.

Lots of rejecting anything made with "the house of Israel" -- like the 'TEN Commandments' in Ex 20:1 and in Jer 31:31-33.




The wild fiction "Saturday Sabbath from what Paul describes as the covenant of bondage" is not a quote of Paul -- rather it is "once again" a quote from "you".

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

Is it your claim that when you make stuff up - we should just put down our Bibles and take "you" as our new source of truth??

Please be serious.



But never says it is God who did that. Rather Paul says the LAW is "holy just and good".

IN Acts 15 they had the problem of people doing what you are doing "making stuff up" instead of sticking with the Bible. There never was a command from God NT or OT saying that gentiles had to be circumcised to be saved. So people were - as you are -- "making stuff up" to get that idea as a "must have".

Why double-down on such a failed system?

The point remains.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
"Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant which they broke, though I was their husband, says the LORD. But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each man teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, says the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

True.
Something that is impossible to miss is the commitment to teach against God's word.
What permits this is the label of Christ's likeness and so as to have full access to every corner of the world where it is otherwise prohibited to enter because it is suppose to be a sanctuary for the members of Christ's church.
And yet, the devil is a liar and so too then are his faithful.

It's the same philosophy that orders the fiction of movie making. The antagonist-protagonist story line.

Only in the world of the web it is more bold because there is no face. There is only the name and the claim.
That's why I think you've noticed there is no actual conversational debates possible when meeting the faceless who bear the false name and who's intentions are to contradict every word of scripture.

Like that which hopes to convince the church that Christ died on the cross.

With nothing else to follow. He died. He did not journey anywhere. He was dead.

Like that which marks itself absolutely resolute and immovable in arguing against God's word. While insisting that which is not there must be read instead and then it is the faithful that will see God lied.

That's what is argued when we're assailed by those who ignore the scriptures that reiterate God's laws on our heart and in our mind. When Jesus said it, no mortal dead in darkness speeching to bring the righteous into their lair has a chance.

Beat your head against the wall further brother? Notice the new one you're arguing with in this professes the same Berean impetus to speak against scripture as did Butch5? One who said Jesus died on the cross. And never went anywhere after because...he was dead!

False doctrines of the pit will never hear you brother. Remember? They do not have eyes to see, nor ears to hear.
That's what we can take from the encounter of the rock in the Garden, Peter, when he took up his sword and sliced off the ear of the temple guard.
God be with you. His word stands eternal. And the gates of Hell will never overcome. No matter how desperately those who journey out from there try.

 

[disciple1]

Adventists like -- D.L. Moody?? (As we saw on page 1 of this same thread)

D.L. Moody writes in favor of God's TEN Commandments as do many other Bible scholars and pastors - even pro-sunday ones.


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

==========================

Or was it Adventists like these guys -- ??

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And of course 7th day groups

Seventh-day Baptists
Messianic Jews
(and 100's of others)

You don't obey the Sabbath, and it wouldn't matter if you did.
Romans chapter 4 verses 13-15
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.