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1. Compound Unity is taught throughout scripture. Hebrews 1:1, 8-10. God the Father is speaking in verse 1. Verse 8 God is speaking of the Son and called his Son God. In verse 9 God the Father anointed God the Son with the oil of gladness above his fellows. In verse 10 God the Father calls God the son, Lord, who was in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Hebrews is in the bible.
Not so...Hebrews only attempts to give evidence for Jesus being "the high priest in the order of Mechizedeck," and being also "over the angels," as well as over all men.
Kind of odd wording for claiming he is God verdad? Why say GOD is over men or angels or even a "high priest" at all?
This is a given. Just say Jesus is God and all other lesser categories are covered, amen?
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8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
This was originally probably to SOLOMON sir, and serves as a double-fulfillment prophesy. How is SOLOMON God sir?
No, the Hebrew wording is ELOHIM, sir, said ten percent of the time for warlords, prophets, patriarchs (Ex 7 for Moses)
resurrected saints, the heavenly assembly. And kings.
2. Compound unity is the crux of relationship with his creation. We are in one body of Christ but many members as Paul showed in Corinthians and Ephesians; many members (church) of one body (Christ) to become one new man so their would not be any schisms in the body, each having their place in the body to operate. The same is in the Godhead for God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. They are equal as deity but have different operations.
It is, but believers are included in the mix. And this not OF God's INHERENT ontology. "I and the Father are one," or HEN the neuter declensioned "one" is a unity of the Holy Spirit ALSO said of believers in Jn 17 "that they may be HEN as we are."
3. God the Father and God the Son were birthed prophetically before the foundations of the world. They did not come to fruition till the time of the birth of Christ as man who was the God-man.
You are a little confused. I think you mean God and the Son are not created. Prophets did not do this but proclaimed it.
However, to be begotten MEANT that Jesus was created by his God, Jn 1:14. God SPOKE forth Jesus and this the Word speaking, "Jesus." To be MADE first just under the angels and then GLORIFIED over them is the same kind of concept.
The Word is pre-existent in the one Jewish sense. Many things eternal were considered PLANNED before the Foundation of the World, and the Messiah included. Jesus even knew in Jn 17 that his GLORY potentiated was still to be had, and yet WAS POSSESSED when God determined it to be, before the Foundation of the World.
But Jesus did not "share glory" in the sense of hippies cavorting in heaven with the Father. He was not alive until the Holy Spirit MADE him alive in Mary's womb.
4. There is nowhere in the old testament that says God the Father was the Father in the old testament in reality or that God the Son was the Son in the old testament in reality.
1 Corinthians 10:4 says Christ was the Rock in Moses day so God the Son was in existence even though not the Son in reality. The other interpretation would have to be that Christ is mentioned in that day in reference to the spiritual rock that they would drink of because of the cross when he came to earth.
Now I know ye are quite confused. YHWH was named "the Father" when Jesus said and made primal his new name, although not really new. YHWH was the known name of God, just not pronouncable anymore in thought, text or speech. Too sacred to say out loud, sir.
5. Genesis 1:26 says, Let us make man in our image and who is the second one in reference to because the word "us" is Elohim, plural. It couldn't be the angels for we were not made in the image of the angels and Hebrews says that Christ didn't take on the nature of angels but of the seed of Abraham which was a man Hebrews 2:16.
Blase and pedantry. Genesis is known by rabbinical commentary forever as God speaking to other ones in heaven, not HIS other SELVES, sir. And the almost 11,000 SINGULAR verbs and pronouns attentant to YHWH Elohim in verse prove the plural etymology of "elohim" was not the dominant meaning in any verse. Not two or more persons in fact. ONE person with many attributes, characteristics, magnificent powers etc.
Basic Hebrew will tell you this, but no...trinitarians will argue these dummy tings to the end of tine, sir.
6. In the new testament all three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are called God and Lord and all are referred to as he and all have different operations separately of each other. Jehovah is used in many compound names of Deity.
Buuut. He told you His DEFINITIVE name is YHWH or..."YHWH Elohim." Sir. ALLLL Jews knew this, and this is WHY this name was considered TOO SACRED to say out loud.
7. I understand there are many different argument that go deeper because of different contexts and I am willing to talk fairly about them. But for people to think that compound unity of the Godhead is not spoke in the bible is not truthful anymore than each are called God individually, separate of each other and implied.
Compound unity is NOT implied in EITHER the Shema OR the First Command of the Ten, sir. A NUMERICAL ONE is the plain and simple meaning of "echad." And ALL CONTEXT of the OT has "no other one can be God." This is unequivocal and true.
This is absolutely true. To say otherwise is to REJECT the Abrahamic Monotheism of ALLL Jews who were faithful, sir.
8. God wanted the heathen to know there is but one God because there were many false Gods and he wanted them to know that the one true God of the universe was the God of the jewish nation. The reason one is significant as God for unity in the Godhead is that they are never out of harmony and cannot be.
In each of the positions context such as oneness, christadelphianism and trinity can all be right but that doesn't mean they all are right in the biblical context in their complete perspectives.
I am willing to talk about each position according to the scripture and logic fairly and personally I do not believe there is anything illogical about a trinity. We all want to rightly divide the word but what is the motive really about after that? Food for Thought. Jerry kelso
Trinity is illogical, impossible and dummy theology. It makes NO SENSE from the git-go. When the Athanasian Creed MADE it "orthodox" this Creed states two impossible things to be true side-by-side. Three ARE God, but these three are NOT three Gods.
How ARE Three who ARE God not in turn three Gods? No explanation, no inspiration, no revelation and no how no way.[/QUOTE]
