Here is why the saints cannot ignore the Commandments of God - not even the TEN

[disciple1]

Is it your claim that if one Honors his parents Ex 20:6 - he is relying on Jewish priesthood and opposing the Gospel??

That only rebellion against Ex 20:12 will do for Christians???

Are you even reading Eph 6:2 at all when you make those arguments?

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.
You are a slave to sin, since your not free, you should do what it says in those verses, and stop trying to teach hypocrisy.
Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two. thus making peace and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently , you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household.

 

[BABerean2]

1 John 5
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

You forgot something...


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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[BobRyan]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.

Indeed - all HAVE sinned and come short of the glory of God.

So ALSO --

1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

1 John 3:
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid 1 John.

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James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid James 2.

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You teach the commands you don't obey, I teach the commands I do obey.

Rom 2
13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - - will feel the need to avoid Romans 2.

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Matt 5 HE says - 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 5:192.

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Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

He who teaches bending-editing-downsizing the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Mark 7.

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Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

He who teaches that the TEN Commandments have nothing to do with the Commandments of God in the NT - - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 19:18.

You forgot something...
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

I don't think I forgot that.

notice in 1 John 2.
2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; 2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

1. in Matt 5 Jesus said He is not walking in rebellion to the Law of God.
2. Walk as He walked - 1 John 2:3.
3. Heb 8:6-10 tells us that the TEN Commandments were given to mankind - by Christ.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

And in 1 Joh 5:1-3 how is it tha we know that we Love the children of God?


is it because there was one time n Acts 20:7 where they ate bread and had a meeting as they got prepared for Paul to leave the next day???

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

No -- that is not "how we know" we love the children of God - according to 1 John 5:1-3

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This is how we "know" that we love the children of God -- according to the book of 1 John


1 John 5
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - might wish to avoid 1 John.

 

[BobRyan]

Hebrews chapter 7 verses 11,12 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood .

Is it your claim that if one Honors his parents Ex 20:6 - he is relying on Jewish priesthood and opposing the Gospel??

That only rebellion against Ex 20:12 will do for Christians???

Are you even reading Eph 6:2 at all when you make those arguments?

John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.

A true statement but it does not get you to answer the question put to you in the post that you claim to be responding to.

so once again asking --
Is it your claim that if one Honors his parents Ex 20:6 - he is relying on Jewish priesthood and opposing the Gospel??

You cannot resort to 'name-calling" and venom as if that is the answer. "you need an actual answer" to the question.

You then bring up "Ephesians chapter 2 verses 14-19
For he himself is our peace,"

And that is "nice".

now what about Eph 6:2? in what unit of LAW (that you will admit to) is the 5th commandment 'the First Commandment with a promise" as Paul says in Eph 6:2?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Hank77]

Gen 26:5
Abraham obeyed Me and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes and My laws.

Gal 3:16 and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, `And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, `And to thy seed,' which is Christ;
Gal 3:17 and this I say, A covenant confirmed before by God to Christ, the law, that came four hundred and thirty years after, doth not set aside, to make void the promise,
Gal 3:18 for if by law be the inheritance, it is no more by promise, but to Abraham through promise did God grant it .

The scriptures do not tell us what commandments, statues, and laws God had given to Abraham, but we do know that it wasn't the old covenant of the Ten Commandments.

John 8:56 "Abraham saw My day and was glad"

Job saw it too, and he was glad.
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

 

[BABerean2]

Adam was given a commandment. Do not eat of...

Abraham was given a commandment. Circumcise your male offspring.

The children of Israel were given a commandment at Sinai. Keep the Sabbath.

Christians are given a commandment. Love one another, as I have loved you.


Joh_13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

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[BABerean2]

3. Heb 8:6-10 tells us that the TEN Commandments were given to mankind - by Christ.

Really...

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. (Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant. Aaron and his descendants were the mediators of the Sinai covenant, not Christ.)

(Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. )



Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. (Here we find that the New Covenant would not be like the Sinai covenant given to the children of Israel.)


Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.



Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
(Sunday worship cannot be condemned, based on this verse.)

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
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[disciple1]

You forgot something...


1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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Romans chapter 1
17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[
Romans chapter 4 verses 13-15
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

 

[Hank77]

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

1Jn 3:4 Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,
1Jn 3:5 and ye have known that he was manifested that our sins he may take away, and sin is not in him;

Are we lawless without the Law of Moses? No. We have the law of Christ, the law of the Spirit.

Mar 12:30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of thy soul, and out of all thine understanding, and out of all thy strength--this is the first command;
Mar 12:31 and the second is like it , this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself; --greater than these there is no other command.'

My question for you is which covenant are you living under? If you believe that you must follow the Law of Moses, Old Covenant, do you preach stoning children who dishonor their parents? If you don't aren't you breaking the Law of Moses but not teaching that? I mean breaking the Law of Moses has consequences right? The consequences for dishonoring one's parents is death. If one doesn't teach the consequences of sin they are being negligent of teaching the truth.
I know that it would be against man's law to do that now, but would you advocate for that if it were not against man's law?

 

[disciple1]

1Jn 3:4 Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,
1Jn 3:5 and ye have known that he was manifested that our sins he may take away, and sin is not in him;

Are we lawless without the Law of Moses? No. We have the law of Christ, the law of the Spirit.

Mar 12:30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of thy soul, and out of all thine understanding, and out of all thy strength--this is the first command;
Mar 12:31 and the second is like it , this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself; --greater than these there is no other command.'

My question for you is which covenant are you living under? If you believe that you must follow the Law of Moses, Old Covenant, do you preach stoning children who dishonor their parents? If you don't aren't you breaking the Law of Moses but not teaching that? I mean breaking the Law of Moses has consequences right? The consequences for dishonoring one's parents is death. If one doesn't teach the consequences of sin they are being negligent of teaching the truth.
I know that it would be against man's law to do that now, but would you advocate for that if it were not against man's law?

Mar 12:30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of thy soul, and out of all thine understanding, and out of all thy strength--this is the first command;
Mar 12:31 and the second is like it , this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself; --greater than these there is no other command.'

Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 2
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1Jn 3:4 Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,
1Jn 3:5 and ye have known that he was manifested that our sins he may take away, and sin is not in him;

Are we lawless without the Law of Moses? No.

What did Christ say about that ?

"If they do not listen to Moses - neither will they listen though one rises from the dead" Luke 16

Jesus said - "Word of God" = "Moses Said" = "Commandment of God"

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

Ex 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Matt 5
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

We have the law of Christ, the law of the Spirit.

NT authors claim the Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible - 2Peter 1:19-21

Mar 12:30 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God out of all thy heart, and out of thy soul, and out of all thine understanding, and out of all thy strength (Deut 6:5) --this is the first command;
Mar 12:31 and the second is like it , this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself; (Lev 19:18)--greater than these there is no other command.'

So then Christ quotes the Law of Moses in Lev 19:18 and Deut 6:5 - IN Mark 12 -- and you say this is proof that Christ abolished the LAW of Moses??

Really??

My question for you is which covenant are you living under?

New Covenant - see Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-10 to find out what it is according to the Bible.

Heb 8
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.


So then in Heb 8 we are told that it is CHRIST that is giving the TEN Commandments at Sinai.

In Heb 8 (And Jer 31:31-33) it is the LAW of God as known to Jeremiah that is "written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant.

In Heb 8 the NEW Covenant is made with the house of Israel.

 

[BobRyan]

New Covenant - see Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-10 to find out what it is according to the Bible.

Heb 8
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.


So then in Heb 8 we are told that it is CHRIST that is giving the TEN Commandments at Sinai.

In Heb 8 (And Jer 31:31-33) it is the LAW of God as known to Jeremiah that is "written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant.

In Heb 8 the NEW Covenant is made with the house of Israel.

Really...

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. (Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant. Aaron and his descendants were the mediators of the Sinai covenant, not Christ.)

(Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. )

In Heb 8 CHRIST is the one speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai --
the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand

Same LAW - of God -- same COMMANDMENTS of God - different relationship to them

OC - the TEN Commandments are external on stone
NC - the LAW of God is written on mind and heart.




Just ONE occasion for meeting on week-day-1
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

 

[BobRyan]

TEN Commandments in NT -


1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW"

1 John 3:
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid 1 John.

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James 2
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - ought to avoid James 2.

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Rom 2
13 for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - - will feel the need to avoid Romans 2.

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Matt 5 HE says - 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

He who teaches non-stop rebellion against the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 5:192.

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Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

John 14:15 "IF you Love Me - KEEP My Commandments"

He who teaches bending-editing-downsizing the Commandments of God - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Mark 7.

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Matt 19
16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”
17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
18 He said to Him, “Which ones?”
Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”

He who teaches that the TEN Commandments have nothing to do with the Commandments of God in the NT - - will feel the need to avoid the teaching of Christ in Matt 19:18.

 

[BobRyan]

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White

And were D.L. Moody or C.H. Spurgeon the followers of Ellen White?


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
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The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

 

[disciple1]

New Covenant - see Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-10 to find out what it is according to the Bible.

Heb 8
6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second. 8 For finding fault with them, He says,

“Behold, days are coming, says the Lord,
When I will effect a new covenant
With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah;
9 Not like the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand
To lead them out of the land of Egypt;
For they did not continue in My covenant,
And I did not care for them, says the Lord.
10 “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
After those days, says the Lord:
I will put My laws into their minds,
And I will write them on their hearts.
And I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.


So then in Heb 8 we are told that it is CHRIST that is giving the TEN Commandments at Sinai.

In Heb 8 (And Jer 31:31-33) it is the LAW of God as known to Jeremiah that is "written on the mind and heart" under the NEW Covenant.

In Heb 8 the NEW Covenant is made with the house of Israel.



In Heb 8 CHRIST is the one speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai --
the covenant which I made with their fathers
On the day when I took them by the hand

Same LAW - of God -- same COMMANDMENTS of God - different relationship to them

OC - the TEN Commandments are external on stone
NC - the LAW of God is written on mind and heart.




Just ONE occasion for meeting on week-day-1
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

I like what Jesus said in John chapter 7 verse 19 Has not Moses given you the law yet not one of you keeps it. And they did try very hard to keep it. And Jesus also said your righteousness would have to surpass that of the teachers of the law.
If you preach the law your condemning your self because you don't keep it.
It says in James chapter 2 verse 10 If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
I like what it says in Galatians chapter 5 verse 14 the entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
James chapter 2 verse 13 Judgement without mercy will be shown anyone who hasn't been merciful mercy triumphs over judgement.

 

[BABerean2]

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

Let me see if I have this correct...

Those who worship on Sunday are wicked.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

And Paul must have been confused when he told us to cast out the Sinai covenant of bondage in Galatians chapter 4.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.


And the Epistles written to the first century Church place a heavy emphasis on Sabbath keeping, right?

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


We must keep the commandments, just like Jesus did, even though nobody but Him has ever kept them.

Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


And that is why we should focus on commandment keeping instead of Grace.

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


In other words we should follow the advice of the Judaizers and become Jews, after we come to faith in Christ...


Gal 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


And Jesus is coming back on October 22, 1844...

Shut Door Documents: Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

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[Bob S]

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

Not quite my friend. You know what the prophet wrote. Why are you afraid to post it? Do you really "keep" sabbath? Could it be that you are one of the following if you really believe ol ellen was a true prophet?

Then I was shown a company who were howling in agony. On their garments was written in large characters, "Thou art weighed in the balance, and found wanting." I asked who this company were. The angel said, "These are they who have once kept the Sabbath and have given it up." I heard them cry with a loud voice, "We have believed in Thy coming, and taught it with energy." And while they were speaking, their eyes would fall upon their garments and see the writing, and then they would wail aloud. I saw they had drunk of the deep waters, and fouled the residue with their feet -- trodden the Sabbath underfoot -- and that was why they were weighed in the balance and found wanting (Early Writings, p. 37).



"It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." (6T 356.4)


"But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth." (RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4)


"No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God."( RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14)


"All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light." (HS 234.3)

 

[BobRyan]

Shut Door Documents from the Estate of Ellen G. White

And were D.L. Moody or C.H. Spurgeon the followers of Ellen White? Is this the reason you seek to bring that up on every thread having the TEN Commandments or SABBATH Commandment in it????


http://www.fbinstitute.com/moody/The_TenCommandments_Text.html

BY THE
DWIGHT L. MOODY
The Ten Commandments:
Exodus 20:2-17
.
The Fourth Commandment


Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and Earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath Day, and hallowed it.​

[FONT=&quot]THERE HAS BEEN an awful letting-down in this country regarding the Sabbath during the last twenty-five years, and many a man has been shorn of spiritual power, like Samson, because he is not straight on this question. Can you say that you observe the Sabbath properly? You may be a professed Christian: are you obeying this commandment? Or do you neglect the house of God on the Sabbath day, and spend your time drinking and carousing in places of vice and crime, showing contempt for God and His law? Are you ready to step into the scales? Where were you last Sabbath? How did you spend it?

I honestly believe that this commandment is just as binding today as it ever was. I have talked with men who have said that it has been abrogated, but they have never been able to point to any place in the Bible where God repealed it. When Christ was on earth, He did nothing to set it aside; He freed it from the traces under which the scribes and Pharisees had put it, and gave it its true place.
"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." (Mark 2:27)
It is just as practicable and as necessary for men today as it ever was- in fact, more than ever, because we live in such an intense age.

The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes;

Let me see if I have this correct...

Those who worship on Sunday are wicked.

Clearly you enjoy quoting "you".

notice this "ONE TIME EVENT" - where they meet not "weekly" on "week day 1" -- and so careful not to say it is the LORD's Day - but they meet because Paul is getting read to leave the next day.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Midnight Sunday night -- is monday.

Midnight Saturday night - would be week-day-1 but it means that Paul was planing "all-day-travel" on week-day-1 and not "all-day-worship".

Details matter.

 

[BABerean2]

And were D.L. Moody or C.H. Spurgeon the followers of Ellen White? Is this the reason you seek to bring that up on every thread having the TEN Commandments or SABBATH Commandment in it????

Both D.L. Moody and C.H. Spurgeon only promoted 9 1/2 of the Sinai covenant commandments, since the Sabbath given at Sinai was from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Somehow they got the mistaken idea that the Sabbath was moved to Sunday, which you would agree, is not correct.

And even though you believe they are both wrong, somehow you believe their error proves your doctrine to be correct.

I think a great deal of these two men. However, I will have to place the words of the Apostle Paul above theirs.

Paul told the Galatian church to cast out the Sinai covenant of bondage, since we are the children of the New Covenant.

Paul's words, not mine, are found below.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



1Co_11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
(The Greek word for testament is the same as the word for covenant.)

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


As for the "Shut Door Documents", they come straight from the estate of Ellen G. White and document the origin of the SDA, especially the doctrine of the door that was thought to be shut and was then thought to be opened again after "the great disappointment" of October 22, 1844, when Jesus did not return as William Miller had predicted.

Shut Door Documents: Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Both D.L. Moody and C.H. Spurgeon only promoted 9 1/2 of the Sinai covenant commandments, since the Sabbath given at Sinai was from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. Somehow they got the mistaken idea that the Sabbath was moved to Sunday, which you would agree, is not correct.

And even though you believe they are both wrong, somehow you believe their error proves your doctrine to be correct.

I think a great deal of these two men. However, I will have to place the words of the Apostle Paul above theirs.

Paul told the Galatian church to cast out the Sinai covenant of bondage, since we are the children of the New Covenant.

Paul's words, not mine, are found below.


Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.



1Co_11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
(The Greek word for testament is the same as the word for covenant.)

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


As for the "Shut Door Documents", they come straight from the estate of Ellen G. White and document the origin of the SDA, especially the doctrine of the door that was thought to be shut and was then thought to be opened again after "the great disappointment" of October 22, 1844, when Jesus did not return as William Miller had predicted.

Shut Door Documents: Estate of Ellen G. White
http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/shutdoor.html

.

Did either of these fellows keep a Saturday Sabbath?