Why do Atheist hate God?

[Nithavela]

1 Timothy 2:12

Sorry, teaching is a no-no, too.

 

[Hikarifuru]

One more thing for now.

DeanW, it's not all that strange, I'd be okay saying that some Athiest hate the concept of God or believers, if that's what you're needing to hear, people always try to prove God isn't real though.

If they hate the concept of God and those who believe, it's very similar. More or less they can hate what they don't believe by hating the ideas behind it, and people associated with it. However, It's my belief that what atheist or skeptics are doing is focusing primarily on some of the bad aspects of faith-based communities. Abraham Lincoln once said "If you look for the bad in people, you will surely find it". and I think this is what we see with many Atheist.

You seem to misunderstand.... I answered YOUR question to help you get what you needed to hear. I don't need to hear anything. I already know what's happening and that we do not hate a make believe god.

These religions are full of scriptures that say to kill kill rape torture kill kill torture kill. It's pretty simple why people folks hate it. If sit around telling me that I do not deserve to have the same rights you do, I'm going to get mad.... it's really simple.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

They hate for a few reasons; 1. They don't have the spirit of God. See to man we judge things based on our standards, but to God anyone who denies Him is evil and they are a child of the devil.
2. They want to live in sin and the bible says that the wicked hate the light for fear of their sins being exposed. Sad thing is they have Jesus and He is strong enough to forgive them and wash them white as snow...
3. They are living with a rebellious spirit / antichrist spirit.

This is hilarious to me, Since it's the Christians I see wallowing in sin. I see Atheist as loving people. Being the good example.

 

[The Cadet]

This probably isn't the right thread to discuss this, but just to answer your specific question it says the grounds for divorce are sexual sin.


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The only reasons mentioned are sexual infidelity and leaving the faith. So physical violence? Nope, stay with your husband. In fact, a great many Christian counseling websites will explicitly recommend exactly this - that you try to reconcile with your husband over anything that isn't sexual infidelity. But an otherwise well-meaning and devoted husband having one beer too many and hooking up with someone at a party, which he immediately regrets and wants to make up for? That is better grounds for divorce than, say, beating you bloody once a month.

And how about Ephesians 5:22-24:
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

So... yeah. The bible does teach women to subjugate themselves. It offers no way out for abused or raped wives.

 

[Hikarifuru]

Just as a disbelief in something doesn't make it false. It's completely disrespectful to tell a believer they can't make the sun purple by believing it. That member came into the room saying they think we should all just love each other, but absolutely no consideration for what they believe. It's the argument of many Atheist that Religion or God is damaging, but what about the other way around?

I mentioned earlier that I was Agnostic, I was actually leaning towards Atheism for a good while but I learned that the character defects they complained about in Christians and other believers, were very much true for them.

I think love is a good message cannotbechanged, there couldn't be a better one. If that's what God has done for you hold onto that tight.

You are very confused... you know very well that these religious texts say horrible things about non-believers, they even say we deserve to die.

But you have the audacity to say we have been disrespectful by telling a person that you can't make the sun purple? You claim that we are merely looking for reasons to hate religion and that we cannot even tell obvious truths to believers if you are fond of those believers. Seems you already had your mind made up before you created this post and you created merely to stroke your ego and take up for your sad little friends that can't suffer anyone ever disagreeing with them no matter what they say.

When a believer tells a non-believer they should burn in hell we need to see the big picture and not be upset, when a non-believer says the sun isn't purple it's way out of line. You are committed to protecting religious privilege.

 

[Moral Orel]

It offers no way out for abused or raped wives.

Don't go too far with it. They can leave their husbands and be estranged. They just can't marry again. Which is still totally bonkers, but there is a way out even within the rules of Christianity.

If someone can't let go of their faith, I don't want an abused person to think that even atheists think it is a sin for them to leave further making them determined to stay in an unhealthy environment.

The point still is though, that the way to tell people to think about who you're marrying isn't to say you aren't allowed to change your mind ever. It's to say, "don't divorce hastily".

 

[Eudaimonist]

But the truth is If we hate the gospel then we do hate God, for he is The author if this offensive system.

That doesn't follow. At all.

I hate Marxism, but if Karl Marx were my next door neighbor, I wouldn't hate him personally. I would still wish that he has a happy life, and I would be sad if he were to get injured in a car accident.

I don't like how Frodo Baggins had such a rough time defeating the evil Sauron, the Dark Lord, such that he could not stay in the Shire and had instead to travel to the Undying Lands to live out his life among elves and maiar, but I don't hate J.R.R. Tolkien, the author of the story.

Etc.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[KCfromNC]

Just as a disbelief in something doesn't make it false. It's completely disrespectful to tell a believer they can't make the sun purple by believing it.

Is it also disrespectful to stop a 5 year old from jumping off a building even though they sincerely believe they can fly?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

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[Teslafied]

This is hilarious to me, Since it's the Christians I see wallowing in sin. I see Atheist as loving people. Being the good example.

I don't wallow in sin, the bible says since I've accepted Christ I'm dead to sin and alive to Him. Besides I don't drink, do drugs, watch filthy tv or listen to filthy music, I don't curse, I don't wear pants, I don't cut my hair, I do what I can not because I have to but because I want to.

I was like you once... I felt like I had more in common with the atheists and so forth until I realized I had the spirit of rebellion, I casted it out and continued serving the lord.

At the end of the day the atheists are not saved, they need prayer, there is only two places we go after death - heaven or hell and if the atheists don't get right they will unfortunately go to hell.

 

[Hikarifuru]

I don't wallow in sin, the bible says since I've accepted Christ I'm dead to sin and alive to Him. Besides I don't drink, do drugs, watch filthy tv or listen to filthy music, I don't curse, I don't wear pants, I don't cut my hair, I do what I can not because I have to but because I want to.

I was like you once... I felt like I had more in common with the atheists and so forth until I realized I had the spirit of rebellion, I casted it out and continued serving the lord.

At the end of the day the atheists are not saved, they need prayer, there is only two places we go after death - heaven or hell and if the atheists don't get right they will unfortunately go to hell.

Girl I just bought this super cute skirt to wear and sorry but I just can't give it up

 

[rjs330]

The only reasons mentioned are sexual infidelity and leaving the faith. So physical violence? Nope, stay with your husband. In fact, a great many Christian counseling websites will explicitly recommend exactly this - that you try to reconcile with your husband over anything that isn't sexual infidelity. But an otherwise well-meaning and devoted husband having one beer too many and hooking up with someone at a party, which he immediately regrets and wants to make up for? That is better grounds for divorce than, say, beating you bloody once a month.

And how about Ephesians 5:22-24:
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

So... yeah. The bible does teach women to subjugate themselves. It offers no way out for abused or raped wives.

Actually the Bible does not say she has to stay with him and continue to be abused. I have a feeling that those counseling places you mention don't say that either. There is a difference between divorce and separation. There is nothing in scripture that would prohibit an abused woman from separating herself,from,the abuser.

Also you didn't quote the rest of the verses where the husband is told to love his wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. Sacraficial love. He is to put her needs before his. Doesn't quite meet the treating the woman like a doormat philosophy that you portrayed.

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[The Cadet]

Also you didn't quote the rest of the verses where the husband is told to love his wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. Sacraficial love. He is to put her needs before his. Doesn't quite meet the treating the woman like a doormat philosophy that you portrayed.

Coincidentally, most of the husbands who do this don't quote the rest of the verse either. I'm not talking theory here, I'm talking practice.

 

[mikenet2006]

DeanW

You are very confused... you know very well that these religious texts say horrible things about non-believers, they even say we deserve to die.

But you have the audacity to say we have been disrespectful by telling a person that you can't make the sun purple? You claim that we are merely looking for reasons to hate religion and that we cannot even tell obvious truths to believers if you are fond of those believers. Seems you already had your mind made up before you created this post and you created merely to stroke your ego and take up for your sad little friends that can't suffer anyone ever disagreeing with them no matter what they say.

When a believer tells a non-believer they should burn in hell we need to see the big picture and not be upset, when a non-believer says the sun isn't purple it's way out of line. You are committed to protecting religious privilege.

Hrm, well let me think about it. Nah, not confused, that believer said nothing of the sort, they said in quote.. "I think it is good for all of us to just love one another", You don't know how I respond to Christians who are hurtful to non-believers.

You seem to misunderstand.... I answered YOUR question to help you get what you needed to hear. I don't need to hear anything. I already know what's happening and that we do not hate a make believe god.

These religions are full of scriptures that say to kill kill rape torture kill kill torture kill. It's pretty simple why people folks hate it. If sit around telling me that I do not deserve to have the same rights you do, I'm going to get mad.... it's really simple.

Again I misunderstand something? I thought about it both times, (surely if someone suggest something twice it's worth a closer look) but I'm thinking I do understand, what can I say. I'm a little worried about that second quote though, I mean seriously, are you okay? I'm sorry, particularly that part in bold, It's like Timmy off of SouthPark trying to form his first sentence or something.

I'm usually not this sarcastic to be cracking jokes at others, but it's one little pick after another from Atheist, and you act as if an Atheist coming here to mock a Christian on a Christian website which he doesn't have to participate in, is the worst thing they do (actually that's pretty low) but I've given examples of an Atheist saying word for word to "hate God", I've given an example of a ruthless dictator who was Athiest and targeted the religious, he was responsible for more deaths than Hitler (who by the way wasn't very religious), now if it falls on deaf ears that's your issue.

I think you may be a little confused actually, not that you're stupid, you seem to be about 10% smarter than those who rely on one-liners, but you do have tunnel vision. Hate and ugliness is a human trait that knows no political, racial, or religious bounds, I said this before because it's the truth. Atheist think they're smarter than those who believe in God, but I know their arguments. I wouldn't say that was ever my crowd but having been someone who was skeptical (still am at times) I've talked to a great deal of Atheist. Most of them are limited because they completely rule out things which they know little about.

Some of the greatest minds in the World have strongly considered God or believe in God. Geniuses who probably have more brains than everyone in this debate combined, myself included. One of the smartest men to ever walk on the planet, Albert Einstein, had this to say...

In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.

http://www.quotes.net/quote/47707

Einstein did not believe in God in the traditional sense, depending how you look at it, but he did have beliefs and generally had good things to say about Christianity. He often spoke about how, as people, we understand little about God, in other words he was very humble. Atheist, on the other hand, seem to think they have it all figured out, granted this is true of some Christians. Michio Kaku cofounded string field theory, he's one of the smartest people we have right now, he's contributed to multiple fields of science, he considers God as well, some of the experiments in quantum mechanics have caused debate about that. Science or intellectualism does not clash with the concept of God, science clashes with Christianity in some areas, but I'll leave that up to Christians to defend, I've already expressed my concerns with them as far as that goes.

You were right about one thing, my mind is made up here, but it's in the respect that I know many Atheist hate believers and the concept of God, I tend to be very open minded but I view Atheism as the antithesis of that. They think believers are a joke and categorize them as being socially backwards. For the most part, my goal was to get the Christian perspective on why they think Atheist are picking away at the beliefs that are important to them, what I didn't expect was to run across a small group who are here to do just that. I'm glad Atheist are here to participate but if they're under the impression that they can be belittling to believers while, more or less, suggesting they're ignorant I'm going to take issue with them, some of the Christians here are more compassionate than I am. Play it up like I don't know what I'm talking about but I know what I see and I hear the responses of those who believe, these things have been hurtful to many of them.

I was at Church for Easter, I don't usually go due to some belief differences but one of the Church members was called up front and explained his experience and thoughts about Christianity now being something that's considered weird or backwards, it was sad to listen to because I know what he said is true. Atheist focus on all the bad aspects of Religion so naturally they'll try to attack it, but if they're concerned about some believers being hypocritical or unaccepting to those who don't share their beliefs then they need to be fixing that as a problem with them first and foremost if they're acting the same way.

I do have to say that I'm impressed with this site though, in a style that's truely American they let those with no interest in Christianity (other than to make fun of it) come here and do what they do. I'm glad they have their own dedicated space though away from all this nonsense.

 

[mikenet2006]

This is hilarious to me, Since it's the Christians I see wallowing in sin. I see Atheist as loving people. Being the good example.

I have to disagree, although people are indeed diverse I've seen a lot of hurt coming from the Atheist end of things. For informational purposes Christians generally believe we're all sinners but that prayer can be benificial and healing, and it is for many of them. Prayer for me is something that I've usually done for others, those that I care about and I believe that's a good thing. There is a dark side to Religion, but from my experience it's usually the other way around (in that it's a good thing), church groups help in the community and it's vital to their own wellbeing as well.

 

[mikenet2006]

Is it also disrespectful to stop a 5 year old from jumping off a building even though they sincerely believe they can fly?

No.

Is it disrespectful for an Atheist (who claims to be for equality) to murder a family of three?

https://newrepublic.com/article/121...rders-show-atheism-has-violent-extremists-too

Actually that's not disrespectful, I'd describe it as insane. This happens on both sides, my point has been that violence has less to do with God, and more to do with the people who carry it out.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

No.

Is it disrespectful for an Atheist (who claims to be for equality) to murder a family of three?

https://newrepublic.com/article/121...rders-show-atheism-has-violent-extremists-too

Actually that's not disrespectful, I'd describe it as insane. This happens on both sides, my point has been that violence has less to do with God, and more to do with the people who carry it out.

That's weird because most Atheist I know are very supportive of Muslims rights.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I have to disagree, although people are indeed diverse I've seen a lot of hurt coming from the Atheist end of things. For informational purposes Christians generally believe we're all sinners but that prayer can be benificial and healing, and it is for many of them. Prayer for me is something that I've usually done for others, those that I care about and I believe that's a good thing. There is a dark side to Religion, but from my experience it's usually the other way around (in that it's a good thing), church groups help in the community and it's vital to their own wellbeing as well.

You could pray all you want. The Atheist I know don't have a problem with. I know all about Christians helping people, while they want to force their views on you. I also know some Christian want Atheists to go to hell and laugh about. They try to shun people they believe are evil and gay, atheist. But they seem fine about other sins. I know all about Christians being rude to people. So I guess their are bad on both sides. But at the end of the day. People searching for God will walk away from bad Christians and not bother going back.

 

[mikenet2006]

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

I don't agree with everything you said, but you acknowledged it's on both sides which is important. I think the misconception is that believing in God or perhaps following a religion makes a person prone to doing things which could hurt others, or that it makes them less intelligent. Usually I don't see that, it really depends on the person and the Religion, as with Atheism a persons upbringing plays a role, and their mental health plays a role.

To give you just a bit more into on me, when I say "it depends on the Religion" (plural) I don't believe all of them can be right, and believe some of it is mans interpretation of how things are, which consequently leads to some of the inaccuracies we see. In the case of Christianity I believe the majority it is very accurate and useful. However, I've rejected religion in general because I believe in a God of complete understanding and knowledge. No judging over different beliefs like both the Religious and non Religious do, and no hell.

It took me a long time to come to this, after a decade of contemplating Religion and Science I find what I'm onto right now to be the most logical answer (for many reasons). I've put a lot of thought into this, but a belief in God is not based on having or needing 100% conformation, with that said, scientific theories usually aren't either. As a species we've come into knowing many things which turned out to be accurate, with limited evidence. Some evidence is there as far as God is concerned, but much like Albert Einstien, had at times suggested, we have limited minds in the scheme of things and as far as God goes we may never fully understand the details, but perhaps that was the intention. Atheism suggest that there's no doubt there isn't a God, I find that to be an arrogant approach given the limitations of our minds, and how incomplete our understanding of the Universe really is.

 

[Moral Orel]

Atheism suggest that there's no doubt there isn't a God, I find that to be an arrogant approach given the limitations of our minds, and how incomplete our understanding of the Universe really is.

I added the bolding for emphasis. Stop perpetuating this myth. No one here is claiming that. Saying there is insufficient evidence to believe, or even that there is no evidence to believe is not the same as saying there is "no doubt" that there isn't a god. The vast majority of atheists are fine with saying "I don't know" when it comes to the origins of things.

On the flip side, most religious people will say there is "no doubt" in their minds that their personal God originated everything. Is that not an "arrogant" approach? Or will you only assign such labels to people that disagree with you?