Origin of God's Morality.

[Archaeopteryx]

So not only do you refuse to answer questions you don't even bother to read posts......
Take your pick but I won't hold my breath for any answers....it is not within an atheist to do so:

You're not the least bit concerned about the misconceptions in your post? Anyway, I concur with DogmaHunter.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You're not the least bit concerned about the misconceptions in your post? Anyway, I concur with DogmaHunter.

As I expected, no answers.....just the typical atheistic dodging.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

As I expected, no answers.....just the typical atheistic dodging.

Do you want me to repeat the same points that DogmaHunter has already made; points that you haven't responded to anyway?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Do you want me to repeat the same points that DogmaHunter has already made; points that you haven't responded to anyway?

I would like for you to answer the questions.....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I would like for you to answer the questions.....

I am sure DogmaHunter would like for you to respond to his post. Is that going to happen, or do you only huff-and-puff when people don't respond directly to your comments?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And silence...

 

[civilwarbuff]

I have asked you mulitple times to answer the questions; you won't even say you won't answer. Silence with silence......No discussion is possible....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have asked you mulitple times to answer the questions; you won't even say you won't answer. Silence with silence......No discussion is possible....

You are so funny, in a hypocritical kind of way.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No discussion is possible....

To be clear, your contributions have been too meagre to warrant discussing. The only substantial post of yours, IMO, was the one DogmaHunter responded to. But you seem not to care enough to reply to his comments.

 

[Root of Jesse]

As that is your excuse not to engage.

As you are the reason for the excuse...

I do find the asking of someone to prove a negative to be intellectually bankrupt, and would agree with Jason that this strays from the OP.
If you ever come up with a testable, falsifiable definition for your "God", be sure to start a new thread with it.

In your mind, what is the reason for the universe?

 

[Root of Jesse]

As much as religionists like to use them.

There is the difficulty in the playing of the strawman card by the religionist when the religion they speak of is subject to interpretation by every one of its (in this case) millions of adherents.

Actually, for Catholics and Orthodox, this is not true. We have a documented belief system, which is required to be believed by those who claim to be members of that religion. It is true that many fail to live up to the belief system, but there are no variations acceptable to our documented faiths.

That may be; personally, I am not concerned about the religious beliefs of others, until those that have access to our government, education system, and my children, begin to present such beliefs as fact.

Until you can prove them to be non-fact, you have a problem.

Can this theology be presented in a manner that is testable and falsifiable, and even if were falsified, would anyone care?

Sure, but it is only evidence of how tightly one can cling to ones beliefs and a fallacious appeal to popularity. It is not an indication of their veracity.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I can't answer your question, because I don't know what you mean by; theological and biblical proof. Is this proof you mention, different than what we look to support non theological arguments? If so, why?

Do you believe Darwin's theory of evolution? Where's the proof for that?

If you have an argument, present it and support it with evidence and I will comment as to whether it is something I would believe or not.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

In your mind, what is the reason for the universe?

What do you mean? Are you asking about how the universe came to be? If that's your question, then I don't know, and from what I am able to discern, no one knows.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Do you believe Darwin's theory of evolution? Where's the proof for that?

Being a Catholic, I presume you are aware of the Church's stance on evolution and creationism?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Physics, cosmology and the like (science), involve objective evidence to support it. I have yet to see, anyone present independent verifiable objective evidence to support a God, or a specific theology.

Even most science is not provable. Ask Gallileo.

I have no problem with folks believing in a God and or a specific theology based on faith, but I wouldn't be shocked, when others don't have the same faith and or, see no logical reason to believe as you do.

You see, I don't care so much what someone believes and I fully expect people to have a variety of theological beliefs, which include 2/3 of the worlds population having different theological beliefs than Christians or no theological beliefs at all. I am most interested, in how one justifies their beliefs, not what they believe. If a Christian states; I believe on faith and don't claim they have "proof" that someone else is missing, I never question them. But, if they start claiming they have "proof" and anyone who disagrees with them is either misled, hates God and is simply wrong, then the challenges will come.

Well, in actuality, most Christians have lack of commonality with other Christians. The Catholic faith has a systematic set of beliefs, so does the Orthodox, and they are pretty much in agreement. Regarding all Christians, I guess we could all be said to believe that Jesus lived, did what was recorded in the Gospels, died, Resurrected and rose. The Apostles or Nicene Creed. Past that, we disagree on many things.

The proofs I have, you wouldn't accept, I'm very sure. I think civilwarbuff feels the same. But let me ask...do you believe that Homer's works and Virgil's Aeneid are accurate depictions of those originals? If so, why?

 

[Root of Jesse]

What do you mean? Are you asking about how the universe came to be? If that's your question, then I don't know, and from what I am able to discern, no one knows.

What is the reason for the uuniverse? How hard a question is that?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Being a Catholic, I presume you are aware of the Church's stance on evolution and creationism?

Yes, very aware. They teach that evolution and creationism do not conflict, that you are free to believe in evolution as long as you do not believe that creationism is untrue.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

What is the reason for the uuniverse? How hard a question is that?

A very hard question that seemingly no one knows the answer to.

 

[Root of Jesse]

How in the world would you know, what I may accept with little to no argument? Are you testing those mind reading skills again?

Christianity itself I have no problem with and I was a Christian for most of my life. If people believe it on faith and it makes them a better person and better able to cope with life, they should hold onto to it. I just get a kick out of certain Christians, who claim to know how atheists think who disagree with them and also claim, non believers are missing all of this "proof" and are misled. To me, if one can't just say I believe on faith and I respect someone else may not have my faith and they need to claim the other person is missing the boat, expect to be challenged.

To the bolded, isn't that sort of like when I started to present an argument, and one of your colleagues said, "Oh, that's the argument from ignorance."? In other words, claiming to know all the arguments for God...
For the record, I do respect those who do not have the same beliefs I do. I have quite a few colleagues on this board who do not hold Catholic views, we respect each other's views a great deal.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

To the bolded, isn't that sort of like when I started to present an argument, and one of your colleagues said, "Oh, that's the argument from ignorance."? In other words, claiming to know all the arguments for God...
For the record, I do respect those who do not have the same beliefs I do. I have quite a few colleagues on this board who do not hold Catholic views, we respect each other's views a great deal.

You really don't know what an argument from ignorance is, do you? But you seemingly don't care...