Origin of God's Morality.

[bhsmte]

And how many different variations of the sciences are there? How many points, counter-points and counter-counter-points are there.....yet you accept the general premise with little (no) argument. Yet Christianity seems to raise the hackles of atheists (and you) and their only defense of that position is "God does not exist" or some variant of that thought.


Of course you care otherwise you would simply be wasting your time here attacking christianity and I don't believe you think you are wasting your time. May I ask you how much time you spend on Muslim, Buddhist, Confuciionist, etc sites attacking their beliefs? My bet is it is almost none. Why is that? Would they even allow you to attack their beliefs? Is that the primary reason for being here, that your atheistic beliefs are tolerated rather than them (and you) being tossed out? Why is attacking christianity so important to you and your fellow atheists? Do you fear us that much?

This is probably something for another thread but I thought I should at least ask those questions.....

How in the world would you know, what I may accept with little to no argument? Are you testing those mind reading skills again?

Christianity itself I have no problem with and I was a Christian for most of my life. If people believe it on faith and it makes them a better person and better able to cope with life, they should hold onto to it. I just get a kick out of certain Christians, who claim to know how atheists think who disagree with them and also claim, non believers are missing all of this "proof" and are misled. To me, if one can't just say I believe on faith and I respect someone else may not have my faith and they need to claim the other person is missing the boat, expect to be challenged.

 

[civilwarbuff]

To me, if one can't just say I believe on faith and I respect someone else may not have my faith and they need to claim the other person is missing the boat, expect to be challenged.

Then again, why are you here? Why do you care what anyone believes to the extent that you would belittle and ridicule those beliefs? And I noticed you did not answer the question about spending time on other non-christian forums so I will assume you make this your speciality or you are just ignorant of other faiths and don't care to look foolish.

 

[bhsmte]

Then again, why are you here? Why do you care what anyone believes to the extent that you would belittle and ridicule those beliefs? And I noticed you did not answer the question about spending time on other non-christian forums so I will assume you make this your speciality or you are just ignorant of other faiths and don't care to look foolish.

I am here because I enjoy banter back and forth with people that have differing views. Talking with folks that only agree with you, gets boring.

Also, I am deeply interested in human psychology and psychology of belief. As I stated, what someone believes is not so much what interests me, it is observing how they justify their beliefs. This is highly interesting to watch in action and even entertaining.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Too bad for you. I guess you don't have a life. I have family, worship time, and a weekend full of chores and sports. I still didn't see your answer to the question.

Oh, it doesn't take much to address your asinine comments. Don't worry.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No universe, nothing to study. The end.

But there is a universe, so there is something to study. What does this have to do with your God?

No, I don't have that textbook you keep referring to. Maybe your title isn't what I'd call it, sorta like pro-choice/pro-death?

So you don't know what an argument from ignorance is?

I don't have any list.Still working on answering the question? All I saw was "You're asking the wrong question." But that's not for you to determine. The question I asked is "Would you call it "conscience"?

I already answered your question:

Then you're asking the wrong question. It's not who determines whether what you do is good or bad, but what determines whether what you do is good or bad. And I've already answered that.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I don't know what holy books you're talking about, but the ones I read are complete Truth.

And yet, despite having the "complete Truth," and despite having a rock-solid case to present, all you can do is obfuscate.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I'm trying, but you guys just want to put everyone in categories, or declare that you already know the argument, or whatever other excuse to not engage. I should ask you to prove there's not a God...in fact, there's your tossup:

Prove there is no God.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And how many different variations of the sciences are there? How many points, counter-points and counter-counter-points are there.....yet you accept the general premise with little (no) argument. Yet Christianity seems to raise the hackles of atheists (and you) and their only defense of that position is "God does not exist" or some variant of that thought.


Of course you care otherwise you would simply be wasting your time here attacking christianity and I don't believe you think you are wasting your time. May I ask you how much time you spend on Muslim, Buddhist, Confuciionist, etc sites attacking their beliefs? My bet is it is almost none. Why is that? Would they even allow you to attack their beliefs? Is that the primary reason for being here, that your atheistic beliefs are tolerated rather than them (and you) being tossed out? Why is attacking christianity so important to you and your fellow atheists? Do you fear us that much?

This is probably something for another thread but I thought I should at least ask those questions.....

My impression is that you've never really encountered many atheists, have you? There are quite a few basic misconceptions in your post.

 

[DogmaHunter]

But we Christians do not leave it at that. Exactly my point.

Indeed, that is exactly the point....

Using logical fallacies, and proud of it.

So?

So???

Well... all those things were attributed to gods at one point, using the exact same fallacious reasoning as you are doing here.

To use your phrase...DUDE...you do realize that a great many of the scientists that discovered the stuff we know today were Christian?

And none of them said "we don't know, so therefor god..."
Instead, they said "we don't know, so let's try and find out..."

But the fact is that the very existence of everything requires a cause.

...except your god, I bet.
Let the special pleading begin.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So the society where they left people to die if they couldn't fend for themselves, and spent their time conquering the next piece of land, regardless of what the people that inhabited the land wanted...that was a 'cooperative society'...hmmm

Yes.

Did you think the Roman Empire was build through anarchy?

 

[DogmaHunter]

I don't have any "argument from ignorance". That's a category, like I was referring to.

You can repeat this all you want.
It won't change the fact that you literally stated that "god" is injected where we say "i don't know" when asking questions about the universe.

That's an argument from ignorance. A logical fallacy. A reasoning error. An illogical thought process. An unreasonable statement.

It's not a "category". It's simply fallacious thinking.

I think you need to learn to read for comprehension. That's not what I said.

It's literally what you said.
Let me remind you of what you said in post 489:
RoJ: "When you get to a point of I don't know, you've figured it out-God."

Faith takes humility, which you obviously have none of.

It seems that your faith, though, is all about arrogantly pretending to know that which you yourself admit to not know.

You do think you got it all figured out, but you don't.

No. I'm the one who doesn't have problems with admitting ignorance when ignorant.
You're the one who thinks to have the answers before asking the questions....

 

[DogmaHunter]

Why should you care about the well-being of those around you?

I've already addressed this.

Honestly, most of the world today is in a state of "What's in it for me?", at least most of the Western World. The very reasons for single parent homes, sex without commitment, abortion, and many other things is just that-much of the western world is in a state of "What's in it for me?" regardless of how it might hurt someone else.

And yet, we live in the most moral society that the world has ever seen.
Never has there been a society on this planet with that much individual freedoms, rights, security, well-being, safety, health, prosperity, solidarity,...

I agree with you-caring for the well-being of others is important. But WHY?

Again, I already addressed this.
Because the overall health of the society you live in (and by extension: YOUR well-being), is directly dependent on the well-being of its citizens. And in this time of globalization, "citizens" is not restricted to the people in your own country.

Well-being and tolerance makes up for a productive world where trade and cooperation can thrive.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Sorry, I don't use any textbooks..

mmmyeah.... we figured that out already.

 

[DogmaHunter]

The simple fact that you don't believe is insufficient evidence that He does not exist. God has been shown to exist untold times on this forum; your personal disbelief changes none of that.....

My irony meter exploded again.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If we talk chemistry we listen to chemists and chemistry books....
If physics then physicists and physics books....
cosmology then cosmologists and cosmology books....
But for atheists when it comes to theology....Christianity....theologians and the Bible are not trustworthy.....

The difference, off course, is in how the contents of those books end up in those books. And how questionable they are.

Science textbooks are the result of decades of research, experiments and objectively verifiableresults. And they aren't set in stone either. When new research adds information or shows current ideas to be wrong, then the books are edited and republished.

Religious books however, are NOT the result of decades of research, experiments and objectively verifiable results. Rather, they are the result of "dreams" and "visions" and "testimonies". And none of it is actually verifiable.

You know this, off course.

In chemistry and physics, it's not the books that matter. It's the science.

We have no common point of reference unless you are willing to accept the Bible and theologians as acceptable sources of information and reference.

Are you willing to accept the Quran and the Bagavad Ghita and its theologians as acceptable sources?

 

[civilwarbuff]

My impression is that you've never really encountered many atheists, have you? There are quite a few basic misconceptions in your post.

I noticed that, again, you don't answer 1 single question....another atheistic tactic....refuse to acknowlege and answer questions especially when they would be embarassing......

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I noticed that, again, you don't answer 1 single question....another atheistic tactic....refuse to acknowlege and answer questions especially when they would be embarassing......

What would embarrassing, do you think?

 

[civilwarbuff]

What would embarrassing, do you think?

Answering questions, seems like atheists just can't bring themselves to do that....

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Answering questions, seems like atheists just can't bring themselves to do that....

Given your meagre contributions to this thread, I wouldn't be pointing fingers if I were you. But since you are, can you please point to the question that I haven't answered?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Given your meagre contributions to this thread, I wouldn't be pointing fingers if I were you. But since you are, can you please point to the question that I haven't answered?

So not only do you refuse to answer questions you don't even bother to read posts......
Take your pick but I won't hold my breath for any answers....it is not within an atheist to do so:

And how many different variations of the sciences are there? How many points, counter-points and counter-counter-points are there.....yet you accept the general premise with little (no) argument. Yet Christianity seems to raise the hackles of atheists (and you) and their only defense of that position is "God does not exist" or some variant of that thought.

Of course you care otherwise you would simply be wasting your time here attacking christianity and I don't believe you think you are wasting your time. May I ask you how much time you spend on Muslim, Buddhist, Confuciionist, etc sites attacking their beliefs? My bet is it is almost none. Why is that? Would they even allow you to attack their beliefs? Is that the primary reason for being here, that your atheistic beliefs are tolerated rather than them (and you) being tossed out? Why is attacking christianity so important to you and your fellow atheists? Do you fear us that much?

This is probably something for another thread but I thought I should at least ask those questions.....