What does it take to have salvation?

[AllanV]

I would like to know if all of mainstream Christianity beleive the same requirements for salvation. I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you believe that there is a salvation from the dead.

Salvation is healing and being saved. It can be from sickness and from the grave when a resurrection occurs.
When an individual believes and is water baptized then this is one aspect of salvation. After repentance which is a change of mental direction there is then a deliverance from the kingdom of Satan and his demons. Or should be if action is taken. Some doctrines preach that they are saved by grace and there is nothing more to do. The reality is they are still tempted and sin so the job is not complete. Even if they appear good on the outside the inner changes are not complete.

Completed salvation is when the divine nature is found because this is the nature of Jesus and is acceptable to God. It is found in a renewed mind during a transformation in the mind. The Eternal God energizes the Love in this nature to the point it overflows from the inside. It is Spirit and is impossible to quantify or comprehend in the natural mind. Immortality is possible if an individual finds this and there will be no judgement.

 

[Robban]

I would like to know if all of mainstream Christianity beleive the same requirements for salvation. I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you beleive that there is a salvation from the dead.

What does it take?

no mediator.

Trust, is what it takes, if anyone would suggest otherwise to me,
my response would be; "Hit the road Jack"

Because David tripped over and fell,
what did many say about him?

From Psalms 3;

Great men say concerning my soul, "He has no salvation in God to eternity."

But You, O Lord, are a shield about me,
my glory and He who raises up my head,
with my voice, I call to the Lord,
and He answered me from His Holy mount to eternity.



"When there is a full measure of firm trust---that He is my light and my salvation,
then,
Whom shall I fear?"

 

[AllanV]

What does it take?

no mediator.

Trust, is what it takes, if anyone would suggest otherwise to me,
my response would be; "Hit the road Jack"

Because David tripped over and fell,
what did many say about him?

From Psalms 3;

Great men say concerning my soul, "He has no salvation in God to eternity."

But You, O Lord, are a shield about me,
my glory and He who raises up my head,
with my voice, I call to the Lord,
and He answered me from His Holy mount to eternity.



"When there is a full measure of firm trust---that He is my light and my salvation,
then,
Whom shall I fear?"

Does this apply to you?

 

[Anguspure]

I would like to know if all of mainstream Christianity beleive the same requirements for salvation. I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you beleive that there is a salvation from the dead.

How about what Christ Jesus said as a bench mark:
Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilder ness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, f [15] that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.” [16] For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. [17] 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

You see what Moses did (on instruction from G-d) was made a bronze serpent and lifted it up on a pole so that all of those who looked to the serpent for healing (from the bites of the serpents in their camp) would be healed. All it took was the victim to be bought within view of the bronze serpent and if they looked, they were healed.

In the same way all whole look towards Christ on the cross for their salvation ( beleiving in Him) will be saved.

 

[Robban]

Does this apply to you?

I have no cards up my sleeve.

 

[Robban]

Does this apply to you?

Point being,
though onlookers may shake their heads and say; "There is no hope for him."

What do they know?

For Him, all is laid open,
"Shall He who implants the ear not hear?
"Shall He who forms the eye not see?"

Or what?

 

[AllanV]

I have no cards up my sleeve.

At 26 a supernatural experience revealed the creator of this reality we live in and showed the mind of an immortal as a comparison to mine and how mine did not measure up. There was a lot of knowledge of concepts of technology and spiritual understanding as well. It was not drug induced but occurred during a good life style in a rural environment with minimal distractions.

A fast for health was taken at 40 but it became a purifying of all the traits and aspects of my personality.
A purity was being noticed. After 3 weeks an attack occurred in the mind where my will was being taken over and it was very difficult.
The next evening the last aspects of the usual nature was thrust away from and a deeply broken heart and spirit allowed a different nature to cover mine. The love in this nature was energized powerfully by the Spirit of God and it remained for three days. There was then several months of being reattached to my old nature.
I had read scriptures over the years and tried to understand Christian teaching but had backed away and given up on it. The experience that took place was the Divine nature and it occurs upon entry into the sanctuary of God and the Holy Place. The scriptures say there is a new and living way beyond the veil.

The body is the temple and the veil is in the mind and heart. This is the completeness of salvation and entry into the kingdom of God because the usual mental bonding of the rebellious nature was protected from completely.

Christian teaching does not really understand this concept and most would not accept it saying they are under grace and what happened was me working for my salvation.

 

[AllanV]

Point being,
though onlookers may shake their heads and say; "There is no hope for him."

What do they know?

For Him, all is laid open,
"Shall He who implants the ear not hear?
"Shall He who forms the eye not see?"

Or what?

Are you considered equal with David.

 

[Robban]

Are you considered equal with David.

Do you mean different people get treated differently?

The entire nation Israel comprise a singel soul,
only the bodies seperate.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

My path doesn't include a concept of salvation, because there's nothing to be saved from to begin with. Except ignorance, perhaps, but even an ignorant person can live a happy and fulfilling life.

Life in antiquity must have been pretty miserable, given how many religions of the axial age focused on saving people from the supposed inadequacies of an earthly existence.

 

[Eudaimonist]

God has revealed himself to you, whether you believe it or not.

In precisely the same way that invisible elves have revealed themselves to me and you.

That you refuse to see Him or acknowledge Him is your issue, not God's.

See...what?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you beleive that there is a salvation from the dead.

Does salvation mean salvation from death (some sort of afterlife)?

Yes, it's called cryonic suspension plus amazing futuretech. There's no guarantee that one can be recreated from one's corpsicle, so I can't say that I firmly "believe" in this, but its plausibility at least makes it a form of salvation, given the definition.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[LoAmmi]

I would like to know if all of mainstream Christianity beleive the same requirements for salvation. I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you beleive that there is a salvation from the dead.

Salvation from what?

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Antibiotics, hygiene and other advances in medicine have done more to uplift mankind than prayers ever did, judging by child mortality rates within the last 150 years.
Modern condoms have combated the spread of STDs more thoroughly and effectively than the most restrictive morality with the harshest social or legal consequences for transgressions.
And modern agriculture has ended nearly ten thousand years of plight and suffering associated with an agricultural lifestyle, turning back-breaking labour, malnutrition and the constant risk of starvation into something that could easily be left behind in the past. (Hunger still exists, but it's the result of terrible economic systems, not scarcity of resources.)

Maybe that's why religious fundamentalism is so belligerently anti-modern: the old-timey religions just realize that they've outlived their purpose (i.e. making people feel better about their plight) if people can achieve some form of lasting contentment.

 

[Robban]

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I would like to know if all of mainstream Christianity beleive the same requirements for salvation. I would also like to know how others who do not believe in Christianity's version of salvation then do you beleive that there is a salvation from the dead.

Salvation may mean one thing for Christians.

For me salvation is redemption, the first was out of Egypt
the second will be at the coming of the Messiah,
Redemption, restoration of the Kingdom, salvation.

To Believe this is not the same as awaiting it to happen,
to await means, active eager anticipation,
for it will happen, though he may tarry,
nevertheless, I await.

 

[AllanV]

Do you mean different people get treated differently?

The entire nation Israel comprise a singel soul,
only the bodies seperate.

The words "no mediator" came to my attention because a better word could be moderator of the power of God because too much would do damage. The mind of an immortal can be shown as a comparison to the natural mind and still be comprehended to some degree.

I was drawn by God into an experience with much knowledge and have since read the Bible and listened to preachers on different subjects. Much intellectualizing seems to diminish the freshness of experience.
If a person stood in one place in the middle of nowhere perhaps on a mountain top what is remaining?

The breath of life from God makes a person a living soul. A chosen nation tested and true comes to mind.
But the chosen nation rejected the Son and this gave others access, not to be taken lightly though.

Israel comprising a single soul is a bit deeper but a culture is similar. The mind is set to operate within a certain expected decision making and conscience relevant to the predominant viewpoint. In the world culture emotions and natural responses coming into the mind via the senses are developed with the prospect of accident, illness and final death. The natural mind diminishes the power of God through fixtures and mind sets sometimes seen on the personality and the body then takes on a corruption in the fact the cells oxidize just as the earth environment does. There is the possibility of being immortal but it is well hidden.

There was one chosen nation who rejected Jesus and now others are grafted in and the goal is Love working on the inward parts energized by the Spirit of God with the hope of immortality in a future.
Jesus was a sacrifice who developed a mind and nature acceptable to God irrespective of culture and this represents the idea of a mediator, moderator, because to have the full power of God would be too much. The mind that Jesus thought from moderates the power of God enough that a Spirit lead creative act can take place within an individual. The new person is then actually of the same mind and thought process as Jesus.
It is to do with the inner workings of a person to end the conflict that comes from a hard heart and mind.

 

[AllanV]

My path doesn't include a concept of salvation, because there's nothing to be saved from to begin with. Except ignorance, perhaps, but even an ignorant person can live a happy and fulfilling life.

Life in antiquity must have been pretty miserable, given how many religions of the axial age focused on saving people from the supposed inadequacies of an earthly existence.

The idea is to be saved from final death, to be changed on the inside.
There are mind sets and the thoughts that come with them that lead to behavior and how people talk to each other. We see family problems locally and all the possibilities of major conflicts globally. It is difficult to actually imagine anything else.
There a many false religions and they do drive some cultures. They are generally more of an expression of the natural human who is overtaken by all manner of motives.

 

[AllanV]

Does salvation mean salvation from death (some sort of afterlife)?

Yes, it's called cryonic suspension plus amazing futuretech. There's no guarantee that one can be recreated from one's corpsicle, so I can't say that I firmly "believe" in this, but its plausibility at least makes it a form of salvation, given the definition.


eudaimonia,

Mark

There is some talk of quantum storage. Because God manifests everything seen immediately, continuously then if an individual is attuned to the creative power, that will facilitate being resurrected. There may be a future technology that can energize beyond the earth energy as it is with its oxidizing and decay.

 

[AllanV]

In precisely the same way that invisible elves have revealed themselves to me and you.



See...what?


eudaimonia,

Mark

In view of the fact God makes everything appear instantly then we are all the offspring of God.
The only limitations are the fixtures and mind sets within the natural mind that are placed there from a mortal experience and perspective among others of similar persuasion.

 

[AllanV]

Salvation from what?

Final death