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disciple1

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Actually God gave Israel the Law, Gentiles were lead to Christ without the Law as they were a law unto themselves.
Galatians chapter 3
Galatians chapter 3
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Could be looked at either way, Christ came before we were born, but we didn't have faith and didn't know Christ until we had studied the bible, as it says in Romans chapter 10.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
 
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Galatians chapter 3
Galatians chapter 3
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Could be looked at either way, Christ came before we were born, but we didn't have faith and didn't know Christ until we had studied the bible, as it says in Romans chapter 10.
Romans chapter 10
17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
You aren't reading it for what it says in order.
1)before coming of this faith (Jesus)
2)we were in custody of the Law (guardian), until THE faith that was to come would be revealed (Jesus)
3)Law was guardian (again pointing to 2) until Christ came that we may be justified by HIM (faith)
4)Now faith (Jesus) has come we are no longer under a guardian (the Law)

All of this points to both sides of the cross up until Paul's Gospel was revealed to Gentiles they had no way to access God until Jesus died and the faith would be revealed (Jesus via Grace). The Law was never anything to Gentile believers but Jewish history. There is no precedent to ever put the Law on Gentiles it was invalid until they became a part of Israel which required circumcision which is why in acts we saw Paul fighting the circumcision crowd.
 
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The New Blood Covenant of Christ:

In Genesis chapter three we find God’s solution to the choice made by Adam and Eve in the garden. In this one verse God reveals the ultimate fulfillment of His plan. We will find this one unchanging purpose throughout the whole of scripture. In this verse God is addressing Satan and making it clear that he will pay for the corruption of God’s creation.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Some have labeled this verse as the “Protoevangelium”. It is the first indication of the solution to sin, which is the Gospel of the coming Messiah. He would be the Seed of the woman. The serpent would bruise His heel, but He would eventually crush the head of the wicked one. If you want to truly understand the whole purpose of scripture and God’s one, unchanging plan of redemption, then trace this coming Seed starting in Genesis and ending in the Book of Revelation. It is all about this One Seed.

In his book “Abraham’s Four Seeds” Pastor John G. Reisinger documents the seed line that would lead to the birth of Jesus of Nazareth. It is an excellent resource which attempts to cut through the doctrines of men, by relying solely on what is written in the text. Pastor Reisinger has a habit of asking those hard questions sometimes needed to challenge our understanding of God’s Word. Reisinger’s sole purpose is to reveal Jesus Christ in every page of the Bible. Pastor Reisinger has told the story of one of his pastor friends who called the Bible… “a HIM book”. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of God’s Plan to restore the creation to its former perfection. On the road to Emmaus, Christ reveals that the whole Bible is about Him.

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

After the book of Genesis states that Abraham had been chosen by God, we find the promise that all of the families of the world would be blessed through his seed. Abraham and his wife Sarah attempted to “help” God, by allowing the slave woman Hagar to produce a descendant from Abraham. Through Hagar’s son, Ishmael, millions of Arab people in the modern world are also Abraham’s natural seed. However, he was not the seed that would produce the Messiah. By rejuvenating the dead womb of Sarah, God would later produce a miracle child. Sarah laughed when told she would conceive a child in her old age and thus the name “Isaac” means “laughter”. The seed line of the Messiah would come through Isaac, instead of Ishmael.

Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
(The word “thee” in this verse is Abraham.)

God commanded Abraham to circumcise his male offspring as the “Sign” of this covenant promise. This sign would later be a focus of the New Testament Book of Galatians. Here Paul enters into a theological argument with the Judaizers who insist Gentile Christians must also be circumcised. There are some today who still take the side of the Judaizers.

Later Isaac had fraternal twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Jacob, the younger of the two, ends up being the one elect, chosen by God to continue the seed line of the Messiah. Later Jacob’s name is changed to Israel and through this lineage the Messiah will come.

Jacob’s son Joseph ends up being sold into slavery in Egypt due to the jealousy of his brothers, although God uses their wicked intentions to continue His plan of redemption.

Jacob’s family then goes to Egypt where their descendants later become slaves under a future ruler of the land.

Moses becomes the instrument of God who will go up against the powerful ruler of Egypt, because the Pharaoh refuses to release the descendants of Jacob from their bondage.

After the Children of Israel escape their bondage in Egypt they arrive at Mount Sinai (which is in Arabia). Moses goes up to the mountain and receives from God the tablets of stone containing the Ten Commandments, which is the actual Sinai covenant. (Hebrews 9:4) These are further explained through approximately 600 ordinances recorded by Moses. These give the specifics of the covenant. For example, if your neighbor’s cattle steals your grass, by eating it, how should the situation be handled in regard to the original covenant?

The fourth commandment of Sabbath keeping would be the “Sign” of this covenant. A man found working on the Friday sundown, to Saturday sundown time of rest was to be stoned to death for picking up sticks, because it was considered work. The people were forbidden from traveling a distance more than about 3/4 of a mile on this day.

Great confusion still exists today among Christians as to the present observance of this “Sign” given to the Israelites under the Sinai Covenant. We will deal with this issue in chapter 5 of this book.

An important part of the Sinai covenant would be the system of animal sacrifices offered to cover the sins of the people. During the following years, thousands upon thousands of animals would be slaughtered and their blood offered as a shadow of the one Blood sacrifice coming to bring in the New Covenant.

The often overlooked parameter of the Sinai covenant regards the If-Then conditional aspect of the covenant. This will be important later in our story, because some today insist the Sinai covenant is still in effect.

Exo_19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Although Israel promised to keep the Old Covenant, it was an impossible task for humans made of rotten flesh like me. We find in Jeremiah 31:32 a clear statement that Israel had broken the Old Covenant.

At times the nation feared God and remembered the covenant, and at other times they fell away from God and sought after other gods.

It was a constant struggle, but throughout the trials and tribulations of the Israelites “the seed of the woman” was being passed down through the descendants of Abraham and Jacob. It eventually was passed through the Tribe of Judah to King David. God made a promise to David that through his son the throne of his kingdom would be established, “forever”. How long is “forever”?

2Sa 7:12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
2Sa 7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

David’s descendants would produce Mary, the virgin mother of Christ, whose womb would receive the Messiah, through which all the families of the earth would be blessed, as promised to Abraham in Genesis 12:3.

The prophet Jeremiah foretold of a New Covenant, different from the Sinai Covenant which the Children of Israel had broken.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

We will find some of these same words repeated in Hebrews 8:6-13.
After this prophecy was recorded by Jeremiah, the Israelites should have been looking for a New Covenant which was to replace the Sinai covenant they had broken.

Near the end of the Babylonian captivity, the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel and gave him the time when the Messiah would appear.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Notice the reference to “iniquity” and “sin”, also found in Jeremiah 31:34
The angel also gave Daniel the time at which the prophecy was to commence.

Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Jesus of Nazareth would appear as the promised Messiah at the exact time foretold by the angel Gabriel. Also, remember the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel “AFTER” the promise of the New Covenant given to Jeremiah.

The 1599 Geneva Bible was the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
The following commentary is found at Daniel 9:27. Compare the wording of Daniel 9:27 to the words of Christ at Matthew 26:28. They both speak of a “covenant” with “many“.

Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Millions of evangelical Christians today hold to a completely different interpretation of Daniel 9:27, in which the angel Gabriel does not mention the New Covenant, already foretold in Jeremiah 31:31-34. This interpretation will be discussed later in this book. We must remember that Daniel was reading from Jeremiah at the beginning of Daniel chapter 9. We will also come to see the New Covenant of the Messiah is the ultimate completion of God’s Plan for the world.

The Atonement Clock by Christian Gedge, is one of the most powerful little books I have ever had the privilege to read. It details the timing of Bible chronology. He pinpoints the year that Jesus of Nazareth would be baptized in the Jordan River by His Father from heaven, as well as major events that occurred throughout the history of the nation of Israel. It also gives an excellent explanation of the ancient Hebrew Lunar/Solar calendar, which used a seven year cycle. On the seventh year, the land was to be allowed to rest by not being planted. Israel had ignored this command, but God enforced it during their 70 years in Babylon. No Christian’s library would be complete without the book titled “The Atonement Clock”. It highlights God’s countdown to the fulfillment of God‘s Plan of redemption.

The Messiah would establish the New Blood Covenant, thus fulfilling the Promise made to Abraham. He confirmed His destiny as “the seed of the woman” at the Last Supper, by announcing that He would fulfill the New Blood Covenant foretold in Jeremiah chapter 31. The disciples thought this meal was going to be just another commemoration of the Passover of the Exodus, in which the blood of a lamb was placed upon the doorposts. It was something they celebrated every year.

This time God’s own Son revealed it would be His Blood that would be the ultimate and final sacrifice for sin. He was the promised Lamb of God through which the promise would be fulfilled. This time the Blood would cover the sinner, instead of the doorpost.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
(The Greek word for covenant is the same as testament here. G1242. )

Each time we partake of the Last Supper, it is this “New Blood Covenant” we are commemorating. We should understand it as the fulfillment of the promise first found at Genesis 3:15, and the Promise to Abraham, and the promise to David, and the promise to all those who accept His gift of Grace.
Praise God and the precious gift of His Son, Jesus Christ!

Jesus of Nazareth was and is the Son of the Living God who defeated sin and death at Calvary, fulfilling every yot and tittle of Jeremiah 31:31-34.

This New Covenant fulfilled in His Blood replaced the sacrifice of animals for sin. John 19:30, Mark 15:38

When did the New Covenant go into effect?

Heb_9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

The Greek word “diatheke”̄ can be translated as “testament” or as “covenant”. It is the same Greek word. Therefore, the books of the Bible written during the first century which we usually refer to as the “New Testament” can also be referred to as “The New Covenant”.

After Christ lived the perfect sinless life by keeping all of God’s Commandments, which is something no man has ever done, He was arrested, tortured, and suffered a cruel death on Calvary’s Cross.

He could have prayed to the Father and had thousands of angels to intercede for Him. No human was capable of forcing Him to lay down on that Cross and let Roman soldiers drive iron spikes through His body. He did it for me. It was not the spikes that held Him to the Cross. It was His love for a rotten sinner like me.

Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

During his suffering a drop of Blood ran down His body, dripped off into the air and headed toward the earth. Before it hit the ground it fell onto me and covered me with His Grace. It only takes one drop of Christ’s Blood to atone for the sins of all humans on this planet. It is the free gift of Grace. Nothing you can ever do will bring you into a right relationship with God. It is not what you can do. It is what He has already done.

His last words on the Cross fulfilled the New Covenant.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

There are some who insist there are Old Testament promises not fulfilled at the Cross. We should all prayerfully consider that God sent His precious, innocent Son, to die a cruel death, in order to fulfill the promise made in Genesis 3:15.

Was this not enough?

If someone tells you there is something He left undone, refer them back to this verse and the words of the one who was God in human form… “It is finished.”

The eternal destiny of every person on this planet is linked to His last three words on the Cross.

At the moment Jesus died, the veil in the temple which separated the Holy of Holies from the people was ripped in half, symbolizing that animal sacrifices, the Levitical priesthood and the whole Sinai covenant system had just become “obsolete”.

Mar_15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Some today cannot let go of the Sinai covenant. Some even claim the New Blood Covenant of Grace will come to an end 7 years before the Second Coming of Christ and then God will go back to the Sinai Covenant again. We will deal with these claims later in this book.

When dealing with issues such as these, our only source of truth is God’s Word.

What do we find written in the New Testament which may settle these issues?

We must rely upon the principle of “Conflict Resolution”. If the statements of men or women produce conflict in any verse, then their interpretation cannot be correct.

To whom were the promises to Abraham made?

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The Apostle Paul said the Abrahamic Promise was only made to Christ, who is the one seed.

Paul also makes it clear the promise was not made to the “many” seeds.

How does a person inherit the promises made to Abraham?

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Christians are the Seed of Abraham who will inherit the promise found in Genesis chapter 12.)

How does the Apostle Paul compare the Old Sinai Covenant to the New Covenant?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
(In these verses the Apostle Paul compares the Sinai Covenant to slavery and the apostle also confirms the location of Mount Sinai.)

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(In Hebrews 11:16, we find that the New Jerusalem is now in heaven.)

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
(Here Paul makes it clear that we are to cast out the Sinai Covenant and that the inheritance does not come through the Old covenant.)

Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
(We are the children of the New Covenant, instead of the Old.)

Since the New Covenant was to be made with Israel and Judah, is it in effect now or will it be fulfilled in the future?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(This verse makes it clear it was in effect during the first century.)

Who were the first people who became members of the New Covenant ?

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
(Note the reference to “men of Judea” and “house of Israel” and compare to Jer. 31:33.)

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
(About 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Blood Covenant on the Day of Pentecost.)

Are there Two Israels according to the Apostle Paul?

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

There is an Israel of the Flesh, who are not the children of God.

And there is an Israel of the Promise, who are the children of God.

Tremendous confusion is produced by lumping these two groups together into one group called “Israel”.

What were the Gentiles grafted into?

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Paul begins the chapter with two groups of Israelites.

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
(Paul was an Israelite, who accepted the New Covenant.)

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
(There was a group of Israelites who worshipped Baal, referred to here as “they“.)

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
(There was a remnant of 7,000 Israelites who would not bow to Baal.)

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
(Paul said there was also an elect group of Israelites during his time.)

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. (The original branches were faithful Israelites, who had become part of the New Covenant, by accepting Christ.)

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
(The wild Gentile branches were grafted in among the cultivated Israelite branches, which remained in the tree.)

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
(The branches broken off can be grafted back in through faith in Christ.)

The Olive Tree here is a symbol of the New Blood Covenant Church.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
(The last Gentile comes into the New Covenant on the day of Christ’s Second Coming. Part of the Israelites were blinded as to who the Messiah was. However, the other part, like Paul, were not blinded and were the “remnant” of Israelites who accepted Christ.)

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The Greek translation of the word “so” in this verse is the Greek word “houto”. It means- “in this manner“, which refers back to being grafted into the Olive Tree as found in verse 23.

Some today have changed the word “so”, which is an adverb of manner, into the word “then”, which is an adverb of time. By changing this one word some have completely changed the meaning of the passage in an attempt to postpone the fulfillment of this verse.

Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
(The covenant in this verse is the New Blood Covenant of Christ, “now” in effect, based on Hebrews 8:6. It is not waiting on a future fulfillment. The “Deliverer“ came out of Sion (Zion) about 2,000 years ago and took away the sins of all peoples at Calvary.)

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

There are two different groups in Romans 11:28. The first group are enemies of the Gospel, because they are the Israelites who rejected Christ. They can be grafted back into the tree, by faith in Christ. The second group are the election who are the Israelite branches remaining in the Olive Tree through faith in Christ. The Apostle Paul started the chapter with two groups of Israelites and Paul ends the chapter in the same way. Refer back to the Israelite Baal worshippers and the remnant of 7,000 Israelites who would not bow to Baal, at the beginning of the chapter.

Salvation now comes by being grafted into the Olive Tree, which is a symbol of the New Blood Covenant Church of Christ.

My wife and I support two ministries who are taking the Gospel of the New Covenant to the modern descendants of Jacob. They are Jews for Jesus and Word of Messiah. If we truly love the modern Jewish people, then we need to make sure they are grafted into the Olive Tree. This is clearly Paul’s message at the end of Romans chapter 11.

Which Covenant is in effect, now?

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
(Would God ever go back to a weaker covenant with Moses as the mediator?)

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(The New Covenant was necessary because no one but Christ could keep the Old covenant.)

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant has made the Sinai covenant “obsolete”.)

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(Compare to Jeremiah 31:33-34.)

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, (The New Covenant is “everlasting”.)

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
(A person cannot be under the Blood of the Lamb and not be under the Grace of the New Blood Covenant.)

What is the spiritual difference between the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant foretold by Jeremiah?

In the Sinai covenant the laws were written on tablets of stone.
Heb_9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

In the New Covenant the laws are written on the heart through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

1Co_6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2Co_3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

2Co 3:4 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God.

2Co 3:5 Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God,

2Co 3:6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

In the New Covenant, it is the Holy Spirit who lives inside of us and constantly corrects us in our daily battle with sin. Therefore, God’s Law is written inside of us.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

The New Blood Covenant of Jesus Christ is the thing that ties all denominations together into One Body.

Sadly, there are very few today who have heard a sermon on the New Blood Covenant.

In the chapters that follow, we will attempt to understand why the New Covenant has been overlooked, misunderstood, and mostly ignored by the modern Church.
 
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This is what happened when people tried to obey the law.
Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
For the Jews, before Christ died on the cross and the Holy Spirit was given to men, understanding and obeying the Law was impossible.

But now, through Christ's death and resurrection, we are made righteous through faith and the Spirit can dwell in us, which it didn't with the Israelites... therefore He is now able to keep the Law through us.

If you are honest with yourself, the only one you don't keep is the 4th. I can guarantee that you try not to violate the other nine, what Christian wouldn't in good conscience? Do you think God wrote with His own finger, REMEMBER on only one of the ten to be the one that is discarded? Not rescinded and rejected out of Christ's mouth who gave it, but from Paul's passages, which are ambiguous at best. I would dare say that the (mis)understanding of Paul's writings are the main reason there are so must splintering of doctrines in our churches today.

The Decalogue is not a foot note in the history of the OT Jews, the Sabbath is mentioned in the NT 55 times compared to 91 times in the OT. Does that sound like a subject that was OT only in it's importance? Give me one, just one passage of Christ saying anything against the Sabbath the way you suppose Paul to do... the Sabbath that He, being our example in all things, kept and honoured His Father by doing so.... I want to honour the Father and the Son, don't you. He gave a clear example and you want to knit pick semantics from passages that can be taken in a number of ways.... that is your rock that you are basing your eternity on? Not what Jesus taught and showed, but ambiguity and tradition? Is that what you'll say when Christ says to you 'depart from me ye worker of lawlessness'? Turn and repent and let Christ work in and through you to do as He gave us example to do.
 
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I would dare say that the (mis)understanding of Paul's writings are the main reason there are so must splintering of doctrines in our churches today.

Let us look at the Sabbath given under the Old Covenant at Mount Sinai to the children of Israel.

Exo 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

We must remember what we find in the Book of Hebrews. The children of Israel broke the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant has made the Sinai covenant obsolete.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Some insist the Sabbath must still be observed sundown Friday to sundown on Saturday. Others say it has been changed to Sunday. We would all be better served if we used the New Testament writers as our guide to the truth, instead of using the Old Testament Sinai covenant as our guide.

Many in the pulpit continue to thunder the fourth commandment. However, they should consider the Apostle Paul’s words in Galatians chapter 4, describing the Sinai covenant in comparison to Hagar the bondwoman.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

If you do not agree with the text above, you will have to take it up with the Apostle Paul, when you see him. Paul is trying to tell us to let go of the Sinai covenant of bondage and embrace the New Covenant of Christ instead. Some have attempted to claim this text is referring only to the “Oral Law”. However, Paul’s use of the word “covenant” in the passage, totally eliminates this line of logic.

We must also remember the Sabbath was given to the children of Israel as a “Sign” of the Sinai Covenant. Therefore, we must now ask what happens to the sign of a covenant that has been broken (Jeremiah 31:32) and that we are to cast out, based on the text from Galatians chapter 4? The logical answer may not agree with what many of us have been taught our whole lives. Do we rely on tradition or do we rely on the words of the New Testament writers, like Paul? Some have said the only thing more powerful than scripture and history is tradition. Sabbath observance most certainly proves this to be the case.

Some will say the Sabbath was changed from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday to anytime Sunday. There is just one small problem. There is no scripture to support this claim. However, we can find in history an edict issued by a man that attempts to do this. We do find that the early Church did meet on the Lord’s Day within the text of the New Testament. We also find the resurrected Savior appearing to the Apostles on the Lord‘s day. However, there is no clear instruction indicating only this day is suitable for assembly of Christians.

There is no doubt a day of rest and worship is beneficial to the body and the Body. However, there is no text saying it could not be held on another day of the week. We find no clear commandment after the day of Pentecost on Sabbath observance for Christians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Here Paul makes it clear we are not under the Sinai Covenant. All sorts of scriptural gymnastics have been used by those who cannot let go of it.

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

These things were merely a shadow of something much greater and that is Christ.

He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

He is our Sabbath Rest. He is inside of us every day of the week, because His Holy Spirit lives inside each of those who belong to Him. He is not only Lord of the Sabbath, but He is also Lord of the Jubilee, based on His reading of the Isaiah scroll found in Luke chapter 4.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

My wife and I attend services with our church body on Sunday and also attend a Wednesday night Bible study, which meets in the homes of participants. We consider both of these days of worship.

If you are in the New Covenant, every day is the Sabbath, because the Lord of the Sabbath lives inside of you.

If the Apostles met on the Lord's Day for worship and Christ met with them on the same day after His resurrection, then it should be clear that this day is suitable for us also.

Praise God and His Son Jesus Christ.

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You aren't reading it for what it says in order.
1)before coming of this faith (Jesus)
2)we were in custody of the Law (guardian), until THE faith that was to come would be revealed (Jesus)
3)Law was guardian (again pointing to 2) until Christ came that we may be justified by HIM (faith)
4)Now faith (Jesus) has come we are no longer under a guardian (the Law)

All of this points to both sides of the cross up until Paul's Gospel was revealed to Gentiles they had no way to access God until Jesus died and the faith would be revealed (Jesus via Grace). The Law was never anything to Gentile believers but Jewish history. There is no precedent to ever put the Law on Gentiles it was invalid until they became a part of Israel which required circumcision which is why in acts we saw Paul fighting the circumcision crowd.
I'm talking about the new testament law also. Faith does away with it and Love is greater than faith.
 
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Because your analogy didn't factor in that for the new covenant, Gentiles are grafted in - the new covenant isn't made with Gentiles, they are brought in.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. Gentiles are branches grafted into the root, which is Christ. The Children of Israel were broken off the root because of unbelief. Who wants to be grafted into a broken off branch called" The Children of Israel" or to steal their identity?
Does it matter who God made a promise to if the promise is to bless the world?
The Gentiles become heirs because of the Abrahamic covenant (promise) was "through thy seed(Jesus) all nations of the earth will be blessed".
 
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The Children of Israel were broken off the root because of unbelief.

Wrong. All of the Children of Israel were not broken off of the Olive Tree.

The Gentiles were grafted in among the Israelite branches, like Paul (Romans 11:1), that remained in the tree.

The branches broken off can be grafted back into the Olive Tree, through faith in Christ.

3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the day of Pentecost.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

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Let us look at the Sabbath given under the Old Covenant at Mount Sinai to the children of Israel.

Exo 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

We must remember what we find in the Book of Hebrews. The children of Israel broke the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant has made the Sinai covenant obsolete.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Some insist the Sabbath must still be observed sundown Friday to sundown on Saturday. Others say it has been changed to Sunday. We would all be better served if we used the New Testament writers as our guide to the truth, instead of using the Old Testament Sinai covenant as our guide.

Many in the pulpit continue to thunder the fourth commandment. However, they should consider the Apostle Paul’s words in Galatians chapter 4, describing the Sinai covenant in comparison to Hagar the bondwoman.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

If you do not agree with the text above, you will have to take it up with the Apostle Paul, when you see him. Paul is trying to tell us to let go of the Sinai covenant of bondage and embrace the New Covenant of Christ instead. Some have attempted to claim this text is referring only to the “Oral Law”. However, Paul’s use of the word “covenant” in the passage, totally eliminates this line of logic.

We must also remember the Sabbath was given to the children of Israel as a “Sign” of the Sinai Covenant. Therefore, we must now ask what happens to the sign of a covenant that has been broken (Jeremiah 31:32) and that we are to cast out, based on the text from Galatians chapter 4? The logical answer may not agree with what many of us have been taught our whole lives. Do we rely on tradition or do we rely on the words of the New Testament writers, like Paul? Some have said the only thing more powerful than scripture and history is tradition. Sabbath observance most certainly proves this to be the case.

Some will say the Sabbath was changed from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday to anytime Sunday. There is just one small problem. There is no scripture to support this claim. However, we can find in history an edict issued by a man that attempts to do this. We do find that the early Church did meet on the Lord’s Day within the text of the New Testament. We also find the resurrected Savior appearing to the Apostles on the Lord‘s day. However, there is no clear instruction indicating only this day is suitable for assembly of Christians.

There is no doubt a day of rest and worship is beneficial to the body and the Body. However, there is no text saying it could not be held on another day of the week. We find no clear commandment after the day of Pentecost on Sabbath observance for Christians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Here Paul makes it clear we are not under the Sinai Covenant. All sorts of scriptural gymnastics have been used by those who cannot let go of it.

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

These things were merely a shadow of something much greater and that is Christ.

He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

He is our Sabbath Rest. He is inside of us every day of the week, because His Holy Spirit lives inside each of those who belong to Him. He is not only Lord of the Sabbath, but He is also Lord of the Jubilee, based on His reading of the Isaiah scroll found in Luke chapter 4.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

My wife and I attend services with our church body on Sunday and also attend a Wednesday night Bible study, which meets in the homes of participants. We consider both of these days of worship.

If you are in the New Covenant, every day is the Sabbath, because the Lord of the Sabbath lives inside of you.

If the Apostles met on the Lord's Day for worship and Christ met with them on the same day after His resurrection, then it should be clear that this day is suitable for us also.

Praise God and His Son Jesus Christ.

.
Thank you for your great posts that so eloquently state the plain facts presented in the New Testament. The Holy Spirit revealed the simple plan of salvation to me about 20 years ago. Before that I was kept in bondage to bits of the old covenant. The Protestant churches have done little to help its members understand the covenants. SDAs and Messianics are fully kept from the truth of the covenants.
 
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For the Jews, before Christ died on the cross and the Holy Spirit was given to men, understanding and obeying the Law was impossible.

But now, through Christ's death and resurrection, we are made righteous through faith and the Spirit can dwell in us, which it didn't with the Israelites... therefore He is now able to keep the Law through us.
Then why is it you can name no one except Jesus who kept the law? Why is that you're not in compliance with the 4th as its written in Exodus?
If you are honest with yourself, the only one you don't keep is the 4th. I can guarantee that you try not to violate the other nine, what Christian wouldn't in good conscience? Do you think God wrote with His own finger, REMEMBER on only one of the ten to be the one that is discarded? Not rescinded and rejected out of Christ's mouth who gave it, but from Paul's passages, which are ambiguous at best. I would dare say that the (mis)understanding of Paul's writings are the main reason there are so must splintering of doctrines in our churches today.
I can guarantee that I make no effort to obey the other nine. I have a changed heart that make it effortless and the NC means that compliance is incidental because of the law of love issued by Jesus. Besides that Jesus Christ didn't issue the 10 Cs anyway.

The reason for so many splits in the church is because of vanity (sin).
The Decalogue is not a foot note in the history of the OT Jews, the Sabbath is mentioned in the NT 55 times compared to 91 times in the OT. Does that sound like a subject that was OT only in it's importance? Give me one, just one passage of Christ saying anything against the Sabbath the way you suppose Paul to do... the Sabbath that He, being our example in all things, kept and honoured His Father by doing so.... I want to honour the Father and the Son, don't you. He gave a clear example and you want to knit pick semantics from passages that can be taken in a number of ways.... that is your rock that you are basing your eternity on? Not what Jesus taught and showed, but ambiguity and tradition? Is that what you'll say when Christ says to you 'depart from me ye worker of lawlessness'? Turn and repent and let Christ work in and through you to do as He gave us example to do.
Gove us one single verse where the Sabbath is laid as an obligation in the NC (NT) on the Christian. The Apostles said no.

Using condemnation scores no point here.

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Thank you for your great posts that so eloquently state the plain facts presented in the New Testament. The Holy Spirit revealed the simple plan of salvation to me about 20 years ago. Before that I was kept in bondage to bits of the old covenant. The Protestant churches have done little to help its members understand the covenants. SDAs and Messianics are fully kept from the truth of the covenants.

Thank you for the compliment.

I just finished posting the Rough Draft of a book on the New Covenant.
The post above was the chapter on the Sabbath.


The book will be offered free online for use by the Body of Christ.
Hopefully, the final version will be available in a few weeks.


If you have not found it yet, here is the link to chapter 1.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-new-covenant.7924984/page-2#post-69498552

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Let us look at the Sabbath given under the Old Covenant at Mount Sinai to the children of Israel.

Exo 31:12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

We must remember what we find in the Book of Hebrews. The children of Israel broke the Sinai covenant and the New Covenant has made the Sinai covenant obsolete.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Some insist the Sabbath must still be observed sundown Friday to sundown on Saturday. Others say it has been changed to Sunday. We would all be better served if we used the New Testament writers as our guide to the truth, instead of using the Old Testament Sinai covenant as our guide.

Many in the pulpit continue to thunder the fourth commandment. However, they should consider the Apostle Paul’s words in Galatians chapter 4, describing the Sinai covenant in comparison to Hagar the bondwoman.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

If you do not agree with the text above, you will have to take it up with the Apostle Paul, when you see him. Paul is trying to tell us to let go of the Sinai covenant of bondage and embrace the New Covenant of Christ instead. Some have attempted to claim this text is referring only to the “Oral Law”. However, Paul’s use of the word “covenant” in the passage, totally eliminates this line of logic.

We must also remember the Sabbath was given to the children of Israel as a “Sign” of the Sinai Covenant. Therefore, we must now ask what happens to the sign of a covenant that has been broken (Jeremiah 31:32) and that we are to cast out, based on the text from Galatians chapter 4? The logical answer may not agree with what many of us have been taught our whole lives. Do we rely on tradition or do we rely on the words of the New Testament writers, like Paul? Some have said the only thing more powerful than scripture and history is tradition. Sabbath observance most certainly proves this to be the case.

Some will say the Sabbath was changed from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday to anytime Sunday. There is just one small problem. There is no scripture to support this claim. However, we can find in history an edict issued by a man that attempts to do this. We do find that the early Church did meet on the Lord’s Day within the text of the New Testament. We also find the resurrected Savior appearing to the Apostles on the Lord‘s day. However, there is no clear instruction indicating only this day is suitable for assembly of Christians.

There is no doubt a day of rest and worship is beneficial to the body and the Body. However, there is no text saying it could not be held on another day of the week. We find no clear commandment after the day of Pentecost on Sabbath observance for Christians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Here Paul makes it clear we are not under the Sinai Covenant. All sorts of scriptural gymnastics have been used by those who cannot let go of it.

Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

These things were merely a shadow of something much greater and that is Christ.

He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

He is our Sabbath Rest. He is inside of us every day of the week, because His Holy Spirit lives inside each of those who belong to Him. He is not only Lord of the Sabbath, but He is also Lord of the Jubilee, based on His reading of the Isaiah scroll found in Luke chapter 4.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

My wife and I attend services with our church body on Sunday and also attend a Wednesday night Bible study, which meets in the homes of participants. We consider both of these days of worship.

If you are in the New Covenant, every day is the Sabbath, because the Lord of the Sabbath lives inside of you.

If the Apostles met on the Lord's Day for worship and Christ met with them on the same day after His resurrection, then it should be clear that this day is suitable for us also.

Praise God and His Son Jesus Christ.

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Isn't interesting there's not a single reference of Jesus meeting with anyone on the Sabbath after the cross.

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This is an interesting view you have.
Scripture supports his view. Sorry about yours.
Paul wrote that Gentiles who believe the gospel are wild olive branches grafted to Israel (Romans 11:17). The author of Hebrews wrote that the new covenant was made to Israel (Hebrews 8:10-11).
Sorry but Rom 11:17 says no such thing. Neither does Eph 2.
You're probably thinking vandalism to only be spray-painting a wall type of act.
Isaiah 56:6 uses the Hebrew word chalal, which as a verb means "pollute/desecrate/profane".
These are vandalism acts.
This passage has nothing to do with Christians.
How does someone do it? By not treating it as holy. I don't know about you, but 'desecrate' sounds worse that 'vandalism'.


All that matters is how Jesus kept it. Just because the Sabbath wasn't written in the other epistles, doesn't mean they didn't keep the Sabbath holy. It's neither proof for nor against keeping the Sabbath holy. What we do know is that Jesus kept the Sabbath holy.
Why did Jesus keep the Sabbath day holy? Was it because He was obligated to it being a circumcised Israeli?
And "Love the Lord your God".


Let's be honest about it - Jesus didn't mention "Do not bow down before graven images" or "Do not take the name of the Lord in vain" to the rich young man either.
So what? Doesn't lend support to our view instead of yours?
Let's be honest about it. When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment is, He said:
Matthew 22
37Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'
38This is the first and greatest commandment.
39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

What this means, is that the laws: "remember to keep the Sabbath holy", "do not steal", slave laws, laws of personal tithe and Levitical tithe, etc. ALL attribute themselves to "Love the Lord your God" and "love your neighbour as yourself".
Nope. Besides what is this personal tithe you mentioned? YOu have no idea what the Levitical tithe is.
The fourth commandment is both "Love the Lord your God" and "love your neighbour as yourself". The blessing of the Sabbath rest was to extend to the non-Hebrews each of them knew.
Then why is it you violate it by requiring others to works so you might have treated water, electricity and possibly natural gas all the while they're condemned to flames?
Jesus said: "the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27)
You may not feel obligated to keep the Sabbath holy, but no one is obligated to accept Jesus as their Saviour either. The New Testament never calls accepting Jesus an obligation. It's something you choose to. The Sabbath is a blessing, not a burden.
Do you mean by the above statement one doesn't have Jesus as their Savior if they don't keep your version of the Sabbath. Now why is there a day of preparation?
You say that the Sabbath was only given to Israel. Not so. Isaiah 56:6 and Mark 2:27 and Romans 11:17 together say that Gentiles are free to be grafted onto that blessing if they so choose, for "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, ... for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
This makes it obvious you either reject what the Book of the Law says or haven't even red it.
The Sabbath was never called a day to worship. It was called a day of "holy convocation". Worship is only part of it. Worship is to be done every day. The Sabbath is different. It's a time God put aside to soak in and reminisce the goodness of God and reflect on how we've let God work through us and increase our connection to Him. It's His promise that keeping the Sabbath holy is different from all the other days.


I worship Jesus and want to be His disciple, which is why I want to keep the Sabbath holy - because He did. The Spirit-filled life is about Jesus abiding in us, not just a belief in His sacrifice. If Jesus lives in us, our desire is to be like Him. Not to be saved, because salvation cannot come from works; I do it because He abides in me.
This may be true, however I don't believe it for a split NYC second.
I would, because that's not what Isaiah 56:6 says nor is there a command by God that Gentiles cannot keep the Sabbath holy.


"under the law" is so frequently thrown about, but you don't even know what it means.
That phrase cannot mean those who are obedient to it. Here's the contradiction that happens when you think it does:
"what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God."
If we are obedient to the law, how can we be guilty before God?
Romans 8:6-8 says that the mind that is transformed by the Spirit is obedient to the law.
Nope!!! The point I see you making here is one is righteous by their obedience to the law.
To the contrary. Paul never said not to. For some, Paul said the shadow was accomplished in Jesus. The sacrificial system is now transferred to the heavenly sanctuary. Are there specifics you want to get into? I mean some of them, like the law about uncleanness after [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], can't apply directly because the sacrificial system is now in heaven. So, what bothers you?
What a load of stuff. This is nothing but pure SDA doctrine unfounded on the Scripture.

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Thank you for the compliment.

I just finished posting the Rough Draft of a book on the New Covenant.
The post above was the chapter on the Sabbath.


The book will be offered free online for use by the Body of Christ.
Hopefully, the final version will be available in a few weeks.


If you have not found it yet, here is the link to chapter 1.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-new-covenant.7924984/page-2#post-69498552

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Thank you very much. My really first study on the covenants was in Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaf. Dale was an Adventist minister who is giving his life helping people to know the real truth.
May the Lord bless you as you spread the Good News to those waiting to hear.
 
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Matt 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. 2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

I have been to Israel several times. I was able to drive on the Sabbath and carry a camera on the Sabbath. Both are illegal under the Hebrew law. Once I flew out of Ben Gurion during Passover. This Passover is like a special Sabbath as no work is allowed from sundown to sundown on Passover day. I went to Israel in March 2016. I planned my trip in such a way as to avoid Passover and Easter as room rates are higher then. I also scheduled my 13 days tour with one Sabbath near the middle. I planned to stay in that hotel until Sunday morning to avoid travel on the Sabbath. During Sabbath the roads were crowded with Arabs and non-observant Jews. There was traffic noise until after midnight Friday. I was not in a Jewish village where all is quiet on Sabbath. I did not drive this Sabbath to avoid a conflict. I did not carry a camera as once someone started screaming at me on Sabbath while I was carrying a camera. Jews were going up and down the hotel stairs at will. I was surfing google.com.il about Sabbath lawld. I learned I had broken Sabbath law by turning on the bathroom light switch during the night. Some Rabbis likened turning on a light switch to kindling a fire that is illegal on the Sabbath. If I were a Jew and it was reported I was violating the Sabbath law by turning on a light switch, I would be outed. I found this law imperfect and totally flawed. I am in back in the U.S.A. where I may do as I please on the Sabbath.
 
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Matt 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. 2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

I have been to Israel several times. I was able to drive on the Sabbath and carry a camera on the Sabbath. Both are illegal under the Hebrew law. Once I flew out of Ben Gurion during Passover. This Passover is like a special Sabbath as no work is allowed from sundown to sundown on Passover day. I went to Israel in March 2016. I planned my trip in such a way as to avoid Passover and Easter as room rates are higher then. I also scheduled my 13 days tour with one Sabbath near the middle. I planned to stay in that hotel until Sunday morning to avoid travel on the Sabbath. During Sabbath the roads were crowded with Arabs and non-observant Jews. There was traffic noise until after midnight Friday. I was not in a Jewish village where all is quiet on Sabbath. I did not drive this Sabbath to avoid a conflict. I did not carry a camera as once someone started screaming at me on Sabbath while I was carrying a camera. Jews were going up and down the hotel stairs at will. I was surfing google.com.il about Sabbath lawld. I learned I had broken Sabbath law by turning on the bathroom light switch during the night. Some Rabbis likened turning on a light switch to kindling a fire that is illegal on the Sabbath. If I were a Jew and it was reported I was violating the Sabbath law by turning on a light switch, I would be outed. I found this law imperfect and totally flawed. I am in back in the U.S.A. where I may do as I please on the Sabbath.
Yes, some of us know that the Jews take the Sabbath a lot more seriously than non Jewish Sabbath groups here who think it is fine to "light a fire" and travel in cars on the Sabbath to church etc.
 
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Yes, some of us know that the Jews take the Sabbath a lot more seriously than non Jewish Sabbath groups here who think it is fine to "light a fire" and travel in cars on the Sabbath to church etc.
The observant Jews can walk up to half a mile to synagogue on Shabaht, that is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. They tend to have smaller synagogues in some areas. In a hotel, a vacant room might be set aside as a synagogue. During the Hezbollah war there were Jews from the north staying in Tiberias in an attempt to avoid rocket fire. They set up a synagogue service in the lobby of the hotel where I stayed. I could not understand the Hebrew.

Paul set up church groups based on his synagogue experience. While I find parts of the law repulsive, other parts I find more agreeable. Sunday as Sabbath used to be more prevalent in the U.S. In Virginia there were state laws for stores to be closed on Sunday called "blue laws." Virginia repealed its blue laws decades ago. I went to Mexico for dental work and found the town I was staying in was for the most part shut down on Sunday.

There are Jews who attend church in Israel and the U.S., but Christian prosetylization of Jews is illegal in Israel.
 
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The observant Jews can walk up to half a mile to synagogue on Shabaht, that is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. They tend to have smaller synagogues in some areas. In a hotel, a vacant room might be set aside as a synagogue. During the Hezbollah war there were Jews from the north staying in Tiberias in an attempt to avoid rocket fire. They set up a synagogue service in the lobby of the hotel where I stayed. I could not understand the Hebrew.

Paul set up church groups based on his synagogue experience. While I find parts of the law repulsive, other parts I find more agreeable. Sunday as Sabbath used to be more prevalent in the U.S. In Virginia there were state laws for stores to be closed on Sunday called "blue laws." Virginia repealed its blue laws decades ago. I went to Mexico for dental work and found the town I was staying in was for the most part shut down on Sunday.

There are Jews who attend church in Israel and the U.S., but Christian prosetylization of Jews is illegal in Israel.
Yes the polarization of Law vs Grace and Jew vs Gentile still exist as related by the Bible. One thing that is trumped over and over by both Jews and pseudo Law observing Gentiles is worship "days", that is a day of the week set aside one must worship and there really isn't any command for them that I can find in the Bible for or against them. We see Jews and Christians worshiping on their "day" of the week but no punishment or promise of reward for doing or not doing so. In other words Sabbath days are days of "not doing" rather than "doing" just like for the most part the Law is about "not doing" instead of "doing".
 
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Yes the polarization of Law vs Grace and Jew vs Gentile still exist as related by the Bible. One thing that is trumped over and over by both Jews and pseudo Law observing Gentiles is worship "days", that is a day of the week set aside one must worship and there really isn't any command for them that I can find in the Bible for or against them. We see Jews and Christians worshiping on their "day" of the week but no punishment or promise of reward for doing or not doing so. In other words Sabbath days are days of "not doing" rather than "doing" just like for the most part the Law is about "not doing" instead of "doing".
You might check Deuteronomy for laws about days when they do not allow work. The recommended sentence for Sabbath violators in Deuteronomy is stoning. This often resulted in death. Jesus was not a strict Sabbath observer. This resulted in the chief priests plotting against him and stalking him.

In modern Israel Sabbath violations might cause you to be ostracized or to lose a home and job on a Kibbutz. You cannot do much shopping as most of the stores are closed. The hospitals are open. Some Jewish Orthodox community roads were barricaded during Sabbath. One Rabbi in the U.S. bought a house a short walk away from a hospital in case an emergency occurred as he thought it is a sin to drive to a hospital on Sabbath.

If you violate a local church council, they may have you barred from their property, as it is not public property. There was an Episcopal Church congregation in the DC area that withdrew from the Episcopal system after the ordination of a gay minister. They continued to occupy their church. The court ruled they were trespassing and had them evicted and a new pastor approved by the Episcopal government and moved into a leadership role on the property.
 
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You might check Deuteronomy for laws about days when they do not allow work. The recommended sentence for Sabbath violators in Deuteronomy is stoning. This often resulted in death. Jesus was not a strict Sabbath observer. This resulted in the chief priests plotting against him and stalking him.

In modern Israel Sabbath violations might cause you to be ostracized or to lose a home and job on a Kibbutz. You cannot do much shopping as most of the stores are closed. The hospitals are open. Some Jewish Orthodox community roads were barricaded during Sabbath. One Rabbi in the U.S. bought a house a short walk away from a hospital in case an emergency occurred as he thought it is a sin to drive to a hospital on Sabbath.

If you violate a local church council, they may have you barred from their property, as it is not public property. There was an Episcopal Church congregation in the DC area that withdrew from the Episcopal system after the ordination of a gay minister. They continued to occupy their church. The court ruled they were trespassing and had them evicted and a new pastor approved by the Episcopal government and moved into a leadership role on the property.
I don't think the SDA and like Sabbath based religions do too much to penalize the occasional breaking of the Sabbath according to their rules and certainly you don't hear of driving restrictions and even an attempt at not having anyone working on their behalf if possible on the Sabbath like turning off their power and gas and limiting water use to nothing if possible and of course staying off the phone or internet on that day also.
 
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