Believe the Bible - bend the Bible - deny the Bible... pick one

[ToBeLoved]

Pitting the Catholics with the Mormons is quite deceptive.

That is not cute at all.

I wouldn't be a happy Catholic, if I were Catholic.

Truth be told, the Mormons have a lot of extra-Biblical books that they call scripture; Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham.

 

[sculleywr]

That is not cute at all.

I wouldn't be a happy Catholic, if I were Catholic.

Truth be told, the Mormons have a lot of extra-Biblical books that they call scripture; Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham.

It wasn't meant to be cute. The fact is that the Catholics follow Christ according to the Trinity, which puts them in a category with us, not the Mormons.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It wasn't meant to be cute. The fact is that the Catholics follow Christ according to the Trinity, which puts them in a category with us, not the Mormons.

Cute is my way of not saying something worse that the mod's would flag.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You are the one who said there is a big deception that we do not have to obey the law.

So that is your answer?

I said a few things there, please be specific on what answer you mean. If you meant were the questions I asked you the answers you refer to...no, they were questions that I had hoped you'd answer.

I said if you do not like the fact that JESUS gave us two new commandments, take that up with Jesus.

Why are you saying I don't like that? Do you really need to do that to support your side in this?

Maybe you just do not want to stand behind what you have written.

I'm on it, you chose not to respond to my attempt at that, as in answering my questions, and then you said I said/indicted something I didn't and now you say *I* don't want to support *my* side? I even offered more verses for the asking if the one I put up wasn't enough.

I asked you how the words of Christ can be a 'deception'. I still have not heard it from you.

Where is that? I honestly don't see it here but point out those words and I'll be happy to give it my best shot.

Bizarre.

 

[sculleywr]

Cute is my way of not saying something worse that the mod's would flag.

It's also quite without substance. If it doesn't really contribute to the conversation, then why say it?

 

[Kenny'sID]

To sum things up and make it easier for us to know what to do, would be my guess.....you?

Yes, that was my answer. Do you want me to read that as you do or see it as something I don't?, what else do you want?...you asked, I answered. If you have something we need to know that differs from my answer, then shoot...I'm listening. Now, will you answer the following?

What, exactly do you think Christ meant by this?

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I said a few things there, please be specific on what answer you mean. If you meant were the questions I asked you the answers you refer to...no, they were questions that I had hoped you'd answer.

Why are you saying I don't like that? Do you really need to do that to support your side in this?

I'm on it, you chose not to respond to my attempt at that, as in answering my questions, and then you said I said/indicted something I didn't and now you say *I* don't want to support *my* side? I even offered more verses for the asking if the one I put up wasn't enough.

Where is that? I honestly don't see it here but point out those words and I'll be happy to give it my best shot.

Bizarre.

Maybe I misunderstood the post. I usually try to clarify before I answer, maybe I should have done that.

 

[Hieronymus]

I believe the Bible and it bends me.

 

[Extraneous]

Which is why we need the Church. We need the Church to guide us and to explain the portions of Scripture that we don't.

Maybe you do, but i dont need the Church to teach me that Sunday is a new holy day, or that i must pray to Saint Paul, or that i must fast on a certain day. I reject those doctrines. It seems that i can do at least as good a job, as EO or RC, of figuring out scripture, just by asking God to teach me.

 

[Jipsah]

1. You interrupted in the middle of my sentence, which is not only rude but rather proves my point about taking things out of context. Not only that, but I have no idea what you are saying.

2. Is this a genuine question about how we read, understand and interpret the Bible, so that you know for your information and interest, or are you just asking so you can start an argument about observing the Sabbath?

 

[Extraneous]

I'll tell you whats rude. Ignoring people when they try to talk to you, thats rude, and i've seen it done by these holier than thou Churchianity folks. Another things thas rude is creating and teaching your own holy days and then judging SDA or Messianic Jews for observing Sabbath, thats rude and hypocritical. Im so turned off by the hypocrisy that i would rather be an MJ or SDA, rather than EO, RC, Anglican or Presbyterian. At least i dont see the holier than thou hypocrisy in those Churches. RC, EO, Anglican an Presbyterian, these would be te last churches on earth i would join.

 

[Extraneous]

Every time i hear the almighty RC or EO assert that they are head of the church, or that we need them to teach us how to interpret scripture, even though they themselves cant even agree on what those scriptures mean, i am less than edified. I'm so tired of people saying we need Churches to teach us, even though these churches all have different interpretations. Yea, even the politics, and the theory of evolution, even these things leave me less than edified. Its nothing but division and more division, and contention and more contention. I should stay away from Christians altogether. Im sick of it. Tired of the baiting, the division and debate, the goading, the cloak of maliciousness. You turn the other cheek as if you are so holy, but then you are quick to hit that report button. That's hardy blessing those that curse you isnt it? Its all show. Cant take no more.

 

[Extraneous]

Forgive me, im struggling with things right now. I cant seem to agree with all this, and i dont think i will ever be able to fit in with it. Part of me is hurt, another confused, and yet another a little angry. Forgive me, i dont belong in any forum, congregation, or fellowship. Im a loner i guess. Thats my way, because nothing else works.

 

[BobRyan]

All Christian denominations bend the bible to suit their dogmas.

Jesus only started one Church and he gave it the authority to teach.

Then centuries later - the RCC came into existence.

His Church then wrote down his teachings. If you want to know what the bible means, ask the people that made it.

That is what the Jews say about the OT.

We all figured out that this is not correct in that case.

Peter (Pope Peter to some) said it is God that made the Bible "Holy men of old moved by the Holy Spirit - spoke from God" 2Peter 1:19-21

 

[BobRyan]

How come Jesus Himself gave us only two new commandments to follow? Which Christ said on them hang 'all of the law'

Maybe pray and ask Jesus that and why He said He 'fulfilled' the law.

Why are you asking people? Why not just ask God?

What we are doing is preaching what JESUS preached. You need to take that up with the great I AM

Is this the commandment that Jesus - gave us?

When He said this? --

Mark 7:6-13
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:

‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’

8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”

9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 

[BobRyan]

Every time i hear the almighty RC or EO assert that they are head of the church, or that we need them to teach us how to interpret scripture, even though they themselves cant even agree on what those scriptures mean, i am less than edified. I'm so tired of people saying we need Churches to teach us, even though these churches all have different interpretations.

The protestant reformation is a case of protesting Catholic Bible scholars and priests - declaring that Christians need to "get back to Bible basics and test everything sola scriptura".

Taking a "bible denying" approach to solve problems - is the opposite of that idea. So we "choose the Bible instead".

As to whether every denomination is equally confirmed by what the Bible actually says - if you compare what they teach to scripture - well that is a matter for one's individual Bible study to determine.

Yea, even the politics, and the theory of evolution, even these things leave me less than edified. Its nothing but division and more division, and contention and more contention.

The Jews declared that Christ and Paul were "divisive" - but Christ in Luke 24 was "teaching from all of scripture" Luke 24:27.

Christ was not "Bible denying" but rather - "Bible believing" -- "Bible affirming" -- even though it was unpopular... even though it would get him killed.

Matt 10 "Think not that I came to bring peace - I did not come to bring peace but a sword" - said Christ as he predicted that Christian faith is never "popular" not even inside one's own family in some case.

Consider all the saints who were willing to be burned at the stake in the dark ages - for the Truth as it is in Jesus.

You turn the other cheek as if you are so holy, but then you are quick to hit that report button. That's hardy blessing

That is a true statement. We need to allow for diversity in opinion.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I believe the Bible and it bends me.

Amen!!

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, that was my answer. Do you want me to read that as you do or see it as something I don't?, what else do you want?...you asked, I answered. If you have something we need to know that differs from my answer, then shoot...I'm listening. Now, will you answer the following?

What, exactly do you think Christ meant by this?

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

In Matt 22 Christ quotes Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart"
and Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself".

And the Jews agreed with Him - that this is the bedrock foundation set of commandments upon which "all the LAW AND the prophets" are based. Immovable. Eternal. Unshakable. Found in both OT and NT

How does this relate to the topic?

 

[BobRyan]

There are many pasages in the bible that was not ment to be tooken litteraly as it is written.

True - we have symbolism in places like Rev 12 and 13 - but that does not mean that the "virgin birth is not real" or that the bodily resurrection is not real.

And in case of "LEGAL CODE" like Ex 20:11 and the 7 day creation week - legal code is not delivered in the Bible in the form of fiction and myth.

Read Exodus 20 - as God thunders the Ten Commandments from Sinai - and tell us if He speak "fiction" or literal truth?

Ex 20:11 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Romans 1 says that our infinite God has made what we see around us - and that HIS "invisible attributes are CLEARLY SEEN in the things that have been MADE" -

 

[BobRyan]

Only God knows the mysterious details of His creation perfectly.

Then let's start by "Believing God" when He speaks about it. Particularly when it is in the form of "LEGAL CODE" where everyone on the planet agrees that such code is not intended by the author to be taken as parable, not myth, not fiction - but real.

Ex 20:11 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Romans 1 says that our infinite God has made what we see around us - and that HIS "invisible attributes are CLEARLY SEEN in the things that have been MADE" -