Galatians 3: Under The Law?

[Sophrosyne]

All law is a legal matter.

bugkiller

Yes, and those who claim obedience disobey Jesus who chose Paul to tell us Gentiles about his Gospel of Grace.

 

[disciple1]

Thanx for all those wonderful passages! I agree 100% with what they are saying... receiving Christ's righteousness is the work of justification, which I have already stated, a few times, that obeying the Commandments isn't done to receive righteousness, justification, pardon, mercy.... or any other gift of Almighty God's.

Obeying the Commandments (10) is about honour, meekness, surrender and communion... that is what most people don't understand the Commandments to spiritually be. I don't kill, not for the physical act, but because I seek to have compassion and love in my heart for others. That is what Jesus came to teach concerning the Law... that in and of itself, it could not save... but through salvation in Him, we would be able to obey.

Romans chapter 9 verses 30-Romans chapter 10 verse 4
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone. As it is written: See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame. Brothers my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are Zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own the did not submit to God's righteousness, Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Yes, and those who claim obedience disobey Jesus who chose Paul to tell us Gentiles about his Gospel of Grace.

The gospel of Grace was not just a NT construct... so sad that today's Christians only live in the last third of the Bible.

 

[Cribstyl]

The gospel of Grace was not just a NT construct... so sad that today's Christians only live in the last third of the Bible.

Apparently it's a secret to you that the term "gospel of grace", is relative solely to the ministry of Paul.
Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11 ¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The book of Acts purposefully show us Paul's zeal for the law before and after He encountered Jesus.
Just like Paul, we can chose to follow the law or we can chose to follow what Jesus taught him to teach.
Like it or not, all of the doctrines of the Christianity are written by Paul.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The gospel of Grace was not just a NT construct... so sad that today's Christians only live in the last third of the Bible.

wrong...... Paul's Gospel of Grace was revealed to him by Jesus, it was unknown prior to the Paul and prior to the cross.
It is sad that people purposely try and convince people that Paul was a fraud when in fact his Gospel set Gentiles free.
Before the Gospel of Grace you had to become an Israeli to be in fellowship with God in part.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Apparently it's a secret to you that the term "gospel of grace", is relative solely to the ministry of Paul.
Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11 ¶But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The book of Acts purposefully show us Paul's zeal for the law before and after He encountered Jesus.
Just like Paul, we can chose to follow the law or we can chose to follow what Jesus taught him to teach.
Like it or not, all of the doctrines of the Christianity are written by Paul.

Amen.... Paul turned his back on the Law and ran to Jesus instead, and we have people turning their back on Paul (and Jesus) instead to run back to the Law.

 

[bugkiller]

The gospel of Grace was not just a NT construct... so sad that today's Christians only live in the last third of the Bible.

That's where our covenant is talked about.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

The gospel of Grace was not just a NT construct... so sad that today's Christians only live in the last third of the Bible.

What is really sad is the fact that law thumpers come on the forum trying to put Christians under the law. Jesus died to save us from the curse of the law and you would have us right back under the curse.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

What is really sad is the fact that law thumpers come on the forum trying to put Christians under the law. Jesus died to save us from the curse of the law and you would have us right back under the curse.

News flash Bob, the only things that will put you under the curse of the law, is lawlessness. Transgressing the Commandments is lawlessness according to
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

What is really sad is the fact that law thumpers come on the forum trying to put Christians under the law. Jesus died to save us from the curse of the law and you would have us right back under the curse.

Then you can see that Grace was available in the OT and not some NT doctrine?

 

[Sophrosyne]

News flash Bob, the only things that will put you under the curse of the law, is lawlessness. Transgressing the Commandments is lawlessness according to
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And ignore Paul when he says this:
Romans 2:14
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,

Now how can someone not have the Law yet are a law unto themselves yet.... you would accuse them of lawlessness?

and this one
Romans 3:21
[ Justification by Faith ] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

you would accuse those who manifest the righteousness of God of lawlessness here too.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Romans 4:15
for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

And again you would accuse Paul of being a liar saying that one violates the Law regardless of it existing or not here.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Romans 5:20
The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

here is another interesting scripture that claims the Law came into INCREASE transgression AND increase SIN which means that there was transgression AND sin before the Law came. Now you would accuse people of being lawless without the existence of the Law which is rejecting Paul totally in this scripture.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Essentially we see that some folks here pretty much just use Paul when he seems to agree with them and ignore him when he shows their true colors (deceivers).

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

And ignore Paul when he says this:
Romans 2:14
For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,

Now how can someone not have the Law yet are a law unto themselves yet.... you would accuse them of lawlessness?

and this one
Romans 3:21
[ Justification by Faith ] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,

you would accuse those who manifest the righteousness of God of lawlessness here too.

Again you're confusing righteousness with the Law.... you don't seem to get it so I'll leave you to your own thoughts.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Romans 4:15
for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

And again you would accuse Paul of being a liar saying that one violates the Law regardless of it existing or not here.

That's not what the verse says....you are reading these scriptures biased by your own rebellious heart... I'd point it out to you but it would be like waving a Franklin in front of a blind man.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Romans 5:20
The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

here is another interesting scripture that claims the Law came into INCREASE transgression AND increase SIN which means that there was transgression AND sin before the Law came. Now you would accuse people of being lawless without the existence of the Law which is rejecting Paul totally in this scripture.

Then how do you explain 1 John 3:4?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Again you're confusing righteousness with the Law.... you don't seem to get it so I'll leave you to your own thoughts.

No, I'm not confusing a thing at all if one is righteous then one isn't lawless

 

[Sophrosyne]

That's not what the verse says....you are reading these scriptures biased by your own rebellious heart... I'd point it out to you but it would be like waving a Franklin in front of a blind man.

Rebellious is when you ignore Paul's words and his fight against those who imposed the Gospel of Legalism upon Christians.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Then how do you explain 1 John 3:4?

It has already been explained to you, and you of course ignored it as does every legalist.