That sounds confusing.... who's the author of confusion? Certainly not God... He isn't a respecter of persons so all will be judged by the same standard... don't be foolish.
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Great verse... to bad you and the new covenant crowd don't believe it. You would be satisfied to only have the NT to misquote and wrest but there is the OT to consider.
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
Not confusing at all in fact Paul states it pretty obviously here...
Romans 3:21
[ Justification by Faith ] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
and here...
Romans 3:22
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Romans 3:22
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
and again...
Romans 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Romans 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
And in GALATIONS we have this
Galatians 2:21
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
Galatians 2:21
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
and in GALATIONS 3 we have
Galatians 3:11
Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”
Galatians 3:11
Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
and again......
Philippians 3:9
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
Philippians 3:9
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
So we have a lot of statements saying righteousness comes not from the Law therefore those who put their faith in Christ will NOT be judged by the Law because they ARE righteous WITHOUT the LAW to begin with.
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Thanx for all those wonderful passages! I agree 100% with what they are saying... receiving Christ's righteousness is the work of justification, which I have already stated, a few times, that obeying the Commandments isn't done to receive righteousness, justification, pardon, mercy.... or any other gift of Almighty God's.
Obeying the Commandments (10) is about honour, meekness, surrender and communion... that is what most people don't understand the Commandments to spiritually be. I don't kill, not for the physical act, but because I seek to have compassion and love in my heart for others. That is what Jesus came to teach concerning the Law... that in and of itself, it could not save... but through salvation in Him, we would be able to obey.
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As often as this is quoted and referenced here on this forum, you must be kidding us with that question.
bugkiller
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Sophrosyne
Let Your Light Shine.. Matt 5:16
No, you don't agree with me 100% else you wouldn't think there is a need to keep the Law at all. The Law has no use for believers in Christ as we are totally righteous without them and all this other hogwash means nothing to those who aren't Jews under the Law.
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Unfortunately you're not giving us the whole picture of what you and your religious organization believe and mean about keeping the law. That would be a violation of the rules. Heads we win, tails you lose.
bugkiller
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Yes, the "legalistic bondage " was their belief that obedience to the letter of the Law was their salvation.
Think about the word used..."legalistic". Legal matters are exacting, without emotion... without love. That's why my obedience isn't legalistic, because I am obeying in love, by love for my Lord and Saviour and my Father.
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