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Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

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Let me ask you guys something,, in physics, specifically in quantum physics, there is something called the observer effect.. What that means is, there is an experiment that can be performed, and the outcome of said experiment will change if the values are observed.. some of the most intelligent scientists in the world are awe struck by this and some have even found God because of the observer effect.. Go look this stuff up guys, its fascinating.

Also, I would like to add, It's silly to just take a theory and run with it,, Take evolution for example, how silly is it really, to believe that life just sprang up from the ground? when common sense, (A thing that a lot of people neglect) tells us, Life is born from other life, Nature shows us, baby pigs come from pigs.. and so on and so on, humans come from humans.. life does not spring up humans and animals from the earth,, life is born. That is what common sense tells us.. So how did we get here?



We were put here...
 
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We are also claiming we are in God's image and not the image of dirt. So that argument doesn't really work.
We're not claiming anything...

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Are you claiming that a primate or some primordial ooze is the likeness of God?
 
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Let me ask you guys something,, in physics, specifically in quantum physics, there is something called the observer effect.. What that means is, there is an experiment that can be performed, and the outcome of said experiment will change if the values are observed.. some of the most intelligent scientists in the world are awe struck by this and some have even found God because of the observer effect.. Go look this stuff up guys, its fascinating.
Where's the question?
 
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Okay here is the question,, Why do people believe that human life even though every generation of plant animal and human on record was born, yet people want to believe we Evolved originally? Life is born,, not evolved...



So why do people believe this magic theory, that we sprang up like some fungus?
 
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It's not "proof", it's "evidence". It is possible, however unlikely, that next time you add heat to water it will freeze. That's how the whole "just a theory" thing works. Yes, evolution is "just a theory", the same way "adding heat to water boils it" is "just a theory".
Ooookaayyyy.... :confused:
 
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The Darwinian classic On the Origin of Species. Darwin did have the grace to say (in effect) I am simply theorizing, but I nothing to back me up. Then he turns around and tries to justify his fantasies.

Darwin cited a lot of things to back up his ideas. You should actually read the work.
 
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Okay here is the question,, Why do people believe that human life even though every generation of plant animal and human on record was born, yet people want to believe we Evolved originally? Life is born,, not evolved...



So why do people believe this magic theory, that we sprang up like some fungus?
Years ago I got into some deep trouble because of this exact same thing. I don't believe it yet I had TEs coming at me from all sides. Not one could answer the question of the missing link yet they all say yes we have a common ancestor with the Great Apes.
 
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We're not claiming anything...

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Are you claiming that a primate or some primordial ooze is the likeness of God?

No. I will, however, claim you just indulged in the straw man logical fallacy.
 
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Sorry, Georgia, can't agree. Evolution was based on painstaking observations in nature. Wallace, a colleague of Darwin, spent almost ten years living in jungles, painstakingly collecting and studying specimens. When you are an arm-chair naturalist, it is east to cast aspersion on evolution. However, you need to remember you were not out there on the front lines of research, either. Given a choice between laity and a scientist who lived it, became one with nature, it's a no-brainer whom I am going to believe.
Look, I think we all get that Darwin sparked a movement of discovery of our planet and that many people discovered things they had never seen before.... but where is the evidence that one genus evolved into another? By what mechanism? Random mutation?
 
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Hand waves and strawmen. See? I was right.
What??!

No matter, others can go to the link you provided to see the weak "evidence" presented for speciation.

By the way, you didn't respond to my comment as to why Down's Syndrome is not considered a new species when it would meet the criteria for a plant or other animal to be declared a new species? Scientists playing word games to salvage a viewpoint.... sad.
 
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Okay here is the question,, Why do people believe that human life even though every generation of plant animal and human on record was born, yet people want to believe we Evolved originally? Life is born,, not evolved...



So why do people believe this magic theory, that we sprang up like some fungus?

Its not a magic theory, it depends on plain ol operations of matter and energy. Evolution operates via birth, life, and death, so mentioning birth isn't any kind of argument against evolution. People believe in evolution because of the evidence, including fossil evidence of progression of species, nested hierarchy of all life, genetic tracers showing ancestral relationships between species, vestiges . . . . .
 
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No. I will, however, claim you just indulged in the straw man logical fallacy.
Please explain what you meant please, I don't understand the phrase.

Is it because I believe the Bible to be true? Then yes, I'm guilty
 
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We're not claiming anything...

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

Are you claiming that a primate or some primordial ooze is the likeness of God?

Before we were humans we were (a) dust of the earth (b) primates

I think both are true. For you to say its an insult to have a primate in our past is no more of an insult than to claim we have dust in our past. Its no more or less a blow to our pride either way.
 
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Its not a magic theory, it depends on plain ol operations of matter and energy. Evolution operates via birth, life, and death, so mentioning birth isn't any kind of argument against evolution. People believe in evolution because of the evidence, including fossil evidence of progression of species, nested hierarchy of all life, genetic tracers showing ancestral relationships between species, vestiges . . . . .
There is no evidence of evolution between Ardepithicus and Homo Sapien Sapien. There is no evidence of evolution between Ardepithicus and Australopithicene either. There are fossils, I have seen quite a few of them myself, but nothing to link 1 to the other and certainly nothing to link the 1st to us. Just because something is bipedal doesn't mean we are related to it.
 
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Before we were humans we were (a) dust of the earth (b) primates

I think both are true. For you to say its an insult to have a primate in our past is no more of an insult than to claim we have dust in our past. Its no more or less a blow to our pride either way.
The Bible says that we were formed from the dust of the earth. It doesn't say we descended from a common ancestor with the Great Apes.
 
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"For the invisible things of God have been clearly seen from the beginning of the world, being understood through WHAT HAS BEEN MADE, so they are without excuse" (Romans 1:20).

I guess I'm one of those peculiar Christians who believes science and the Bible must be compatible.. otherwise the Bible exists as a work of fiction. That's what I think Romans 1:20 is saying. Instead of using the Bible to interpret reality.. open your eyes instead, look around and let scientific reality interpret the Bible for you.

As far as I know "diluvialism" (interpreting earth geology according to a global flood), was discredited as pseudoscience in the early 1850's. By then, science understood the marine fossils found atop the mountains of the Himalaya's were hundreds of millions, if not billions of years old, and existed as some of the earliest life forms on this planet. They were there, long before the Himalaya mountains were.

There simply is no scientific proof of there ever having been a global flood, especially within the last twenty thousand years, other than some coastal flooding and rise in sea levels caused by the melting of glacial ice. So the Noah flood story has to be "allegorical" in nature. There simply is no other possible explanation.

In 2013 a renowned marine archeologist began surveying and documenting the existence of a late Neolithic population of people who lived around what was then the shoreline of the Black Sea. These habitations are now well underwater. It is possible, melting glacial ice filled the Mediterranean Sea and inundated the lands around the Black Sea destroying these people in a catastrophic flood event as the land bridge between Asia and Europe collapsed, which became origin of the stories of the flood, found in the Sumerian, Epoch of Gilgamesh and later the Bible.

As for evolution versus creationism, I have no problem accepting the concept animals were created so they adapt physically to their specific environment over millions of years. If all the animals on earth exited the Ark and replenished the earth from there, why aren't there any kangaroo fossils found in Asia, or Europe ?! The answer is obvious, there never were any kangaroos there. They were always in Australia.

What about the archeological evidence of early hominid creatures and homo sapiens ??? I know someone is going to put up some scary pictures of early hominid and homo sapien skulls and ask everyone if they think these creatures look more like apes than men (they always do). What they're not going to do is post any pictures of Cro-Magnon, or Neanderthal skulls, because those would be way too human looking to serve their purpose.


It's also clear from the archeological evidence, these early homo sapiens used fire, constructed crude stone tools and weapons, ceremoniously buried their dead in graves, fabricated clothes from animal skins, played music on flutes and painted images on cave walls. In other words, they were in many respects, as human as later homo sapien sapiens (modern man).

If you ask me, that answers the question "Who did Caine marry after he was banished for slaying Able " ?! Who were the people of Nod mentioned in Genesis ?! They couldn't have been descendants of Adam.. because Caine was after all cursed and "marked" as a murderer. But Caine found somebody to marry, didn't he !

It says Able was a tender of the flocks, while Caine was a tiller of the ground. After Caine's murder of Able, he was cursed so the ground would no longer yield unto Caine when he tilled it.

Interestingly, archeological evidence shows the milestones of domesticating animals and agriculture appear in different parts of the world. Central Asia is where the first animals were bred as livestock, and the earliest evidence of agriculture is found in Israel according to the University of Jerusalem.

 
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Please explain what you meant please, I don't understand the phrase.

Is it because I believe the Bible to be true? Then yes, I'm guilty

The straw man fallacy is to erect a false version of what the other side maintains or asserts, and then attack that false version.

You asked the following:

"Are you claiming that a primate or some primordial ooze is the likeness of God?"

There is nothing I said or suggested that would prompt such a thought. Your suggestion that such a thought was even possible from what I said is what I am calling a straw man fallacy. Now if you are willing to discuss things more rationally, I'd be glad to participate, but be prepared to have nonsense pointed out when it is offered.
 
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