Fossil Record not consistent with Global Flood

[Radrook]

The fact that you go to creationist websites to learn about geology is rather frightening.

Most of my geology was learned at college as is also true of all other subjects that I comment on. <Staff Edit>

 

[Radrook]

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http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/map00-fc.html

NO Evolutionist has been able to refute (prove wrong) this scientific historic evidence that the Ark arrived in Lake Van, Turkey, 11k years ago bringing the first Humans (descendants of Adam) to this world of creatures who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes.<staff edit>

Deleted due to giving an unintended impression.
My apologies.

 

[Loudmouth]

I find that to be very true as well based on my extensive experience in presenting evidence to atheists. First, they have a penchant to demand evidence as if they will objectively examine it. unfortunately for the gullible who take them at their word, the reaction to any evidence which might be presented is already planned.

I have found the reactions to be of the following kinds:

1. Claiming total incomprehension
2. Immediate unsupported or unjustifiable claims that the evidence has been totally debunked
3. Evasion via Ad hominem or an attack on the person and not the issue
4. Straw man, inventing a totally irrational view and saying it is yours.
5. Totally irrelevant heckling, chortling and jeckling.

That was my experience during six months of presenting evidence so I totally understandably why indeed you would be reluictant in wasting your limited and valuable time taking such bait.

It is claimed that there as a boat with all of these animals that supposedly found its way into a lake. What I am given as evidence? A map showing the earliest known areas to start organized agriculture.

Do you see the disconnect here?

 

[Radrook]

It is claimed that there as a boat with all of these animals that supposedly found its way into a lake. What I am given as evidence? A map showing the earliest known areas to start organized agriculture.

Do you see the disconnect here?

My comment wasn't in reference to any specific issue that you might be presently discussing with any particular person. My comment was a reference to the GENERAL impression that I got from six full months of useless debating with atheists at another website some six years ago. Neither am I criticizing atheists when they legitimately and justifiably reject any evidence that doesn't deserve to be accepted. In those cases I will agree with the atheist rejection. Sorry about giving the wrong impression.

 

[Loudmouth]

My comment wasn't in reference to any specific issue that you might be presently discussing with any particular person. My comment was a reference to the GENERAL impression that I got from six full months of useless debating with atheists at another website some six years ago. Neither am I criticizing atheists when they legitimately and justifiably reject any evidence that doesn't deserve to be accepted. In those cases I will agree with the atheist rejection. Sorry about giving the wrong impression.

I am showing that your impression is false, as shown by this example.

 

[Radrook]

I am showing that your impression is false, as shown by this example.

Perhaps you are conflating my comment with support for the Ark in the lake idea? No, I am not attempting to lend any support because to do so I would need to study the issue involved in detail and I haven't as yet. I was simply agreeing with the part about a pattern of irrational behavior that I have found to be very common. Thanks for bringing it to my attention in any case since I definitely do not want my intentions misunderstood.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have no clue what the impression you are mentioning nor what your example is, nor how that example-whatever it might be, proves anything wrong.

You are claiming that atheists are presented with valid evidence, but they ignore it for invalid reasons. You made this claim in response to the very material I am addressing, a map of ancient agriculture as evidence of a boat myth.

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Being less cryptic would help. Perhaps you are conflating my comment with support for the Ark in the lake idea? No, I am not attempting to lend any support because to do so I would need to study the issue involved in detail and I haven't as yet. I was simply agreeing with the part about a pattern of irrational behavior that I have found to be very common. Thanks for bringing it to my attention in any case since I definitely do not want my intentions misunderstood.

I am showing that what you claim is completely untrue. Atheists have very rational reasonse for rejecting the claims of creationists. <staff edit>

 

[Radrook]

"First, . . . to want to affirm that in reality the sun is at the center of the world and only turns on itself without moving from east to west, and the earth . . . revolves with great speed about the sun . . . is a very dangerous thing, likely not only to irritate all scholastic philosophers and theologians, but also to harm the Holy Faith by rendering Holy Scripture false."--Cardinal Bellarmine, 1615

That wasn't just any old Cardinal. That was the head of the Holy See, which is better known as the Inquisition. Galileo challenged religious belief, and that is why he was put under house arrest for all of his days, only avoiding a death sentence when he walked back his scientific conclusions.

I agree. That attitude was not only unscientific but totally unchristian as well. Actually, Galileo was a believer in a creator. He simply disagreed with the manner in which others were understanding the creation.

 

[Loudmouth]

I agree. That attitude was not only unscientific but totally unchristian as well. Actually, Galileo was a believer in a creator. He simply disagreed with the manner in which others were understanding the creation.

Unfortunately, it was very Christian. Throughout the centuries there has been strong resistance to scientific discoveries on the part of Christians. You only need to look at these very threads to see examples of modern Christians stating that science contradicts their religious beliefs. You only have to look at the newspapers to see examples of Christians trying to remove science from the classroom.

 

[Radrook]

You are claiming that atheists are presented with valid evidence, but they ignore it for invalid reasons. You made this claim in response to the very material I am addressing, a map of ancient agriculture as evidence of a boat myth.

How can you have no clue about the very things you are responding to?

I am showing that what you claim is completely untrue. Atheists have very rational reasons for rejecting the claims of creationists. The very post you replied to is a perfect example.

Actually, you have a point there which is very valid. The context in which I posted my comment will give the unintended impression that I am taking sides by condemning the evidence you presented. Since that is not actually the case I will delete it. My apologies.

 

[Radrook]

Unfortunately, it was very Christian. Throughout the centuries there has been strong resistance to scientific discoveries on the part of Christians. You only need to look at these very threads to see examples of modern Christians stating that science contradicts their religious beliefs. You only have to look at the newspapers to see examples of Christians trying to remove science from the classroom.

I do not condone the mindless fanatical behavior that you are describing.
Also, when I say that it isn't Christian, I am not referring to apostate behaviors that gradually emerged centuries after Christianity was founded. Such behaviors as flaying people alive, roasting them at the stake, persecuting them for their beliefs, were not taught nor practiced by first-century Christians. So I don't consider them to be Christian at all.

 

[Loudmouth]

I do not condone the mindless fanatical behavior that you are describing.

Doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Also, when I say that it isn't Christian, I am not referring to apostate behaviors that gradually emerged centuries after Christianity was founded. Such behaviors as flaying people alive, roasting them at the stake, persecuting them for their beliefs, were not taught nor practiced by first-century Christians. So I don't consider them to be Christian at all.

Are there no Christians past the 1st century?

 

[Aman777]

<Staff Edit>You might as well point to a map of London as evidence that the Harry Potter books are true.

Spinning the subject doesn't change the Truth and the Truth is that the valleys just sw of Lake Van, Turkey, where the Ark arrived, in Northern Mesopotamia are EVIDENCE of the FIRST Human Farmers of 11k years ago. Did Magical evolution SUDDENLY produce the first Farmers? Absolutely NOT since it doesn't do anything SUDDENLY. Your love is being wasted on the False ToE since it's too unbelievable for anyone but a little child, just entering School, to accept Show us your evidence that Humans came SUDDENLY to this Planet or admit that Humans came to our Earth SUDDENLY. Amen?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Spinning the subject doesn't change the Truth and the Truth is that the valleys just sw of Lake Van, Turkey, where the Ark arrived, in Northern Mesopotamia are EVIDENCE of the FIRST Human Farmers of 11k years ago. Did Magical evolution SUDDENLY produce the first Farmers? Absolutely NOT since it doesn't do anything SUDDENLY. Your love is being wasted on the False ToE since it's too unbelievable for anyone but a little child, just entering School, to accept Show us your evidence that Humans came SUDDENLY to this Planet or admit that Humans came to our Earth SUDDENLY. Amen?

Science has put a LOT into understanding who the first farmers were and how farming spread to the world. Everything Science comes up with proves the Bible to be accurate and true. Even if so called men of science reject the science that verifies how accurate and true the Bible is.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

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I am asking you to present evidence, ACTUAL EVIDENCE, for your claim that the Bible is the standard for which all science is set.

 

[Loudmouth]

Spinning the subject doesn't change the Truth and the Truth is that the valleys just sw of Lake Van, Turkey, where the Ark arrived,

Where is the evidence demonstrating that any Ark landed there?

 

[Radrook]

Doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Not denying that the events happened. Only not agreeing with calling the people involved genuine followers of Christ's teachings.

Are there no Christians past the 1st century?

Many Christians believe that the apostasy took control soon after the last Apostle died as foretold by the Apostle Paul.
All the historical evidence indicates that is exactly what happened.

 

[Loudmouth]

Not denying that the events happened. Only not agreeing with calling the people involved genuine followers of Christ's teachings.

This is known as the No True Scotsman fallacy.

They were Christians.

 

[Aman777]

Science has put a LOT into understanding who the first farmers were and how farming spread to the world. Everything Science comes up with proves the Bible to be accurate and true. Even if so called men of science reject the science that verifies how accurate and true the Bible is.

Amen, and the FIRST Human farming was in the valleys where Noah grew grapes. Human civilization on this Planet can be traced to the arrival of the 450 ft long Ark in Lake Van, Turkey 11k years ago. Evolutionists hate this map because it shows that their precious ToE is the biggest Lie ever forced upon our children in the Public Schools.

 

[Aman777]

I am asking you to present evidence, ACTUAL EVIDENCE, for your claim that the Bible is the standard for which all science is set.

<Staff Edit> I can show you Scientific Discoveries which are FUTURE to our time, from Genesis. Amen?